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Author Topic: 100% energy saver in the market  (Read 36368 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 01:56:25 AM »
Is not my intention a member of this community buy an illegal device, all contrary, if the device is using a free energy principle, then it will be honest, the viewpoint of connect that free energy device to the power grid is other theme, but I can see here is not people of scientific spirit, is only using its imagination without test in the laboratory this energy saver for get a more serious conclusion. Only a member here propose as method used for this device an electron multiplier device created for the same company

 In this web site is commented too many free energy devices, and all can be plugged to the power grid, for example, the Tom Bearden MEG, that device as too many free energy devices, needs an external power source, as a battery for start working, but in way of batteries we can plug it to the power grid and replace batteries by rectifiers, in example, let's assign a COP=3 for this device, then, if the load is of 3 KW then the power grid will see only 1 KW and the electrical bill is reduced to 1/3, the meter is not spinning backwards , only spin or indicate less than real power in the load. People here claim it is not legal, then here is a main question.

 All free energy device connected to the power grid will be illegal? ( For example Rotovertex )

 Is that the future of all free energy device plugged to the power grid?


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Giga

Hey, with all due respect, you are complaining no one is giving you scientific test results?  Pese, and many others, have responded in very intelligent, scientific ways that I understood completely.  Tests?  Are you actually serious?  The only way for this to work is if your house is a generator, right?  So, unless your house is a generator, then it can't work and it IS stealing.  If this device created, or transformed, enough energy to run your home then you would not need the power company.  But, it does not, so you do.

I know of at least 3 different ways to slow down, stop, or make a meter (here in the US) go backward.  All 3 of them are stealing. (Just for the record, I have never done these things but have seen them work with other who have)  I am not blaming you for looking for and wanted cheaper bills, hey, we all want that.  but, like someone once said, if it looks too good to be true, is usually is.

Please don't take any of this the wrong way.  I read this topic hoping too that maybe there was a device that would actually cut down the bills at bit by switching on and off (like pese said) large motors like fridge, heat and air pumps, etc. which would be legal and morally acceptable as you actually use less power.  Thanks.

Bill

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 01:56:25 AM »

Offline wizardofmars

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2009, 02:04:03 AM »
What a surprise! A new poster who can barely speak English pimping a Thai website selling dubious power devices!

I note that both the Boondee website and Plugandsave.com are from Thailand. The Las Vegas address is just a mailing service.

Will wonders never cease?  ::)

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2009, 02:21:47 AM »
I posted the plugandsave and this one is legal....

For the other I dont know but I would like to understand how it work.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2009, 02:21:47 AM »
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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2009, 02:46:07 AM »

What I'm getting is that member gigawattgratis posted the device for exploration of its nature...in the event the device has some technology that could be used in a free energy device.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2009, 10:11:03 AM »
What I'm getting is that member gigawattgratis posted the device for exploration of its nature...in the event the device has some technology that could be used in a free energy device.

Regards...



This is the exact Point!
There is no offer for crime actions.

@Cap
what happend to the friction heater?
any news?
helmut

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2009, 10:11:03 AM »
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Offline AbbaRue

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2009, 11:17:12 AM »
An EASY way to test a device like this for free energy  technology would be to connect it
to an inverter and try running something off the inverter that would normally exceed the output.
If a 300 watt inverter can run a 1000 watt heater or hair dry then we have something here.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2009, 11:21:05 AM »
Yes, like Pese and others said, "fiddling" with el. energy consumption meters is equal to stealing. Period.
A robbery, if you like...
It is illegal action, and severely (!!!) prosecuted in most of the countries.

This "Bondee B4-88 Power saver" probably works as claimed (reducing your energy bill for a period of time).  ;)
Again, like Pese said, this is as old as the billing of the energy consumption.

"ELECTRIC METERS MOVES BACKWARD!"
Lol, it means your "house" is acting like an energy producer/source (not consumer)... In a month or two, you'll know ALL the consequences...Not just the "I got Free electricity" part.....
You know, el.power companies are not stupid.  They can add 1+1=2.  All the losses are known, and backed up with nowadays computer (and a state of the art measuring) technology (power transportation/delivery/usage/losses/bills), it's not very hard to establish an "above normal leaky" grid....

"Made in Thailand" (sold worldwide)... Yes, I'd say this "method" still works nicely in some countries...

Messing with power-factor circuits (the tips and tricks) is just one of the more "profound" methods...



Of course, it's up to you to decide what your moral standards really are.
 
Any capable electrician knows many ways how to "cheat" electrical companies... In many ways...
I'd say there is a certain (small!) percentage of people who are doing it right now... (Who knows how many people were doing it in the past?)



Eventually, somebody has to pay for the goods. And the power companies ARE The Business...
Any losses (recognised or not) will be - eventually - paid by the consumers....

Normally, all the small "cheaters" are usually "sponsored" by the rest of the good people paying the electricity bills...
Cheers!


@Spinner
It is not that easy as you like to describe it.
It isf Fact, that if you employ a Capacitor in a circuit(Grid), it affects all the Net.
So the meters are adjustet for the standart situation.(optimal grid)
If the energy supplier made changes in his Grid, it affects all consumers on the line.
Not to much, but in a notable way.
The same effect happend, when a consumer connected devices on the grid.

 helmut


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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2009, 11:21:05 AM »
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Offline wizardofmars

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2009, 07:41:35 PM »
What I'm getting is that member gigawattgratis posted the device for exploration of its nature...in the event the device has some technology that could be used in a free energy device.

What I'm getting is that gigawattgratis posted just to pimp their website and try to sell some devices to suckers.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2009, 05:51:11 PM »
the problem here really seems to be an economic problem the grid costs a sertaint amount to build and maintain so since power companies sell amps they need to get a certain amount of money for each amp they sell in order to maintain there grid with more and more energy efficient products for sale the amount of amps they sell goes down and so they raise there rates in order to maintain the systemdriving higher and higher bills for those not buying more energy efficient products .
lets just say you come up with a free energy device and so how much energy you need becomes irrelavent then you would not need led lighting because the expence would not be worth it to you unless you had a small system and the cost of upgrading it would be more than the cost of the led lights you would now be making the same decision as most power companies make each and every day and theft of the system on either parties part is not to anyones benefit.
as to learning some things about energy from these devices that may be possible and worthwhile as some believe so this may be worth looking into as long as one does not cheat or steal from others the inverter system that was suggested seems to be a valed approach and could be worth the undertaking.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2009, 01:28:01 AM »
G'day all,

The device marketed by these crooks in Thailand is not new. It was invented just after the war in Germany and there were about 10.000 of these gadgets in existence until the authorities clamped down on the scam. The device was known as "Kleiner Gustav" (little Gustav). It was, as the device from Thailand is, a device that fraudulently manipulates the meter.

See: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=post;topic=6443.20;num_replies=23

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2009, 01:41:57 AM »

I can't remember where I read it but those meters themselves were purported to have energy accelerating properties.

So, who knows what could result from combining the two devices ?

You just never know, is all I'm saying.

Regards...


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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2009, 11:08:57 AM »
I can't remember where I read it but those meters themselves were purported to have energy accelerating properties.

So, who knows what could result from combining the two devices ?

You just never know, is all I'm saying.

Regards...


@Cap  @Hans

Lets do some analysis to see the facts.

Lets assume, one have a small Heater for the bedroom.
Tle label shows. 220V, 55Ohm for the value of the resistor.
Fact is: the Resistor does in a normal environment NOT change his properties.

If the Heater is connectet to the Grid, he takes P=U*I  880Watt
I=U/R  220/55 = 4  Amps    The Power of 880W/h will be charged on your bill.

Now the situation changes without you know.(perhaps)

The Energy supplier encreases the Voltage in his Grid to about 250Volt.
Your Heater in the Bedroom and other Resistors on the Net behave as usual.
But this causes different effects.
Now I=U/R   is   250/55= 4,563 Amps  And the Heater reacts with more Power.
P=U*I = 250 * 4,563 = 1140,75 Watt
What does it mean?
The charge on your Bill encreases by more or less 22%

Without you notest.

"Start of the  joke"
So in this case it might be of use to have a small resistor in spare 16Ohm might be fine,
but this must be able to carry the load of 1140Watt.
"End of joke"
Result:
Actions on both sides of the Meter effects the other side.

helmut


« Last Edit: January 06, 2009, 12:11:56 PM by helmut »

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2009, 11:27:24 AM »
Helmut,

no , is not joke.

You cant not use this as saver at resistance load,
that is true , but manufacturer is (woll not?) not saying this

You can TRUE save on inductive load.
motors, pumps, heatpumps frigidaires and so on.
BECAUSE (you save not - BUT- the counter count to much, because
the phase schiftings that you produce with the inductive loads.
HIS WILL BE COMPENSATED TO TRUE VALUES, so so "shit" not your electrici suppliers.

BU you ship him if you have to much uncompensated Fluarescent light tube
in use.  Becaus each lamp that is driven without "compensating" Cap. , count
to thes at your counter. So the Electricity supplier ask you to compensate such loads
with compensating capacitors ( that is in pricipe only al capacity resistors as an LOAD that your counter turne quicker.
So that is it, i hop that some reader will now understand more from this pricipe ,
that is wellknow, since Tesla/Westinghouse

Gustav Pese


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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2009, 11:39:31 AM »
Pese,

Are you saying, if i go to each motor and inductive load in my home, and correct the power factor, the meter/counter will spin faster, cost more?
and are you also saying that its illegal to do so?

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2009, 02:59:14 PM »
Pese,

Are you saying, if i go to each motor and inductive load in my home, and correct the power factor, the meter/counter will spin faster, cost more?
and are you also saying that its illegal to do so?

DrSpark

 

I say, if you use this thinggs wothout compensation: you counter counts mor KW that you using.

No electricity seller, give (without asking them) information that iz is better FOR YOU to comensating this .
The are only alsin YOU : If you have to much CAPAVITANCE load, becaouse you have mor Energy that you counter shown it
Gustav Pese

 

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