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Author Topic: 100% energy saver in the market  (Read 36492 times)

Offline gigawattgratis

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100% energy saver in the market
« on: December 31, 2008, 11:55:18 PM »
I've seen in the market a power saver can save 100% of the electrical Bill, once the device is connected to the power grid the electrical meter spin backwards if mechannical or negative indication if electronic, the web site of the company sell this device show demonstrative videos of its product:

 http://www.boondee.net/electric-power-saver/b4-88.html

   Some countries have considerated this product not legal and is not allowed this device incomed to that countries, so for know the true about this I have the following questions:

 * Someone has buyed this device?

 * Really uses a free energy principle for return power to the power grid and save 100% of the electrical bill?


  Good bye


Giga

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100% energy saver in the market
« on: December 31, 2008, 11:55:18 PM »

Offline TheOne

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 04:01:34 AM »
Do you know how it cost?

It something I will need when I will move on my first house in 6 month :)

I don't think its free energy but more a trick to hack the meter.

Nice finding :)

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 07:26:10 AM »
It's a little black box with capacitors in it. All it does is change the power factor so that the meter reads less than what you are actually using. I would think that the hydro supplier will frown on this.
I am sure someone on this site is more qualified to discuss this unit. If you could calculate what capacitance you could use to slow down the meter, you might get away with it. To make the meter turn backwards would not be a very good idea.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 07:26:10 AM »
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 07:50:04 AM »
  I don't know what country's use meters like that but that wire would burn up in a second if you ran a 220v 150 amp service through it. If you saw my power bill you'd know how much I wish it was true but I really doubt it could work.

   Pete

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 07:56:43 AM »
This are very old knowledges.
Used in Germany  1930 to 40
(forbitten)
Also used later in East Germany

But shure , this is an illegar robbery
and forbitten in all countries

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 07:56:43 AM »
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Offline gigawattgratis

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 02:43:58 PM »
 I want an opinion based in more real facts, that is say a person buyed this device and doing some testings conclude if the device was using free energy methods or if is a not legal system.

 Common tricks are working with mechannical energy meters, but not with electronic meters and if you see the web site they claim its device is working with electronic energy meters, so if some one wants to be sure if there is free energy in the device using oscilloscope or other real time power and energy measurements be sure if this device is a free energy circuit returning to the power grid energy excess. In this overunity.com web site is shown a wide number of circuits can get free energy or get power gain, and some times is more practical power this circuits from the power grid than other power source, in fact some circuits based in parametric energy or spark gaps retun power to the power grid and at the same time the load is powered

 Other point here is than the company sell this device stays this device is not for home use, is only a demonstrative kit for proof the basical principle are using other power savers they sell and get a real and high saving rating


  Bye

 Giga

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 03:23:10 PM »
Hopefully this Saver is not just "Energy Stealing Measure" :-\
But what is this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Boondee_Electron_Generator
regards,
HNY
khabe

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 05:50:26 PM »
Another similar product: http://plugandsave.com/

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 06:24:25 PM »
This mashine is NOT 100% save Enery.
This is turning BACKWARDS  your  used power.

So it is an 200% effecty device.
That is shiting the  the the electricity works,
because you must becoming money back
for the USED power.

This is shure not allowed in any country of the world.,
so it is better to be quiet .

This way is technical long possibel
(i know this from my father and grandfather,
that was both self sustaining EE.
(and dont used there knowledges, because that is an crime,
thath will punished in any way.. If you buy this, you can be shure
that the sellings from this company will be controlled to find all
customers and users. Some years ago, things like that was happened in germany, wil an big company here that sells illegar electronic producs.

I hope that no one of the OU-members will try this longer to have this device
that is ony to use for "robbery"

G.P.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 08:06:15 PM »
if it workes it workes if your on the grid it is illegal if your off the grid it isn't so what are you looking for power or bills if you want bills then follow the rules is that not the agreement we make with the power companies to use there power if you don't use there power then you are not bound by there rules so whats the problem.

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2009, 08:48:34 PM »
if it workes it workes if your on the grid it is illegal if your off the grid it isn't so what are you looking for power or bills if you want bills then follow the rules is that not the agreement we make with the power companies to use there power if you don't use there power then you are not bound by there rules so whats the problem.

The normal Power saver is legat
it save 15% to 45% depend of the load.
ohmic , or inductive load .
Full effect you find at different motors , coolers , heating pumps,
and all that in it are used transformers.
This is an old good know technique.

BUT this apparatus , that let turn your counter (analog and digital)
backwards m that is 200% shiting and robbery your eleectricity supplier.
THAT is goodknow illegal. (In all countries punished by law).
Gustav Pese


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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2009, 08:48:34 PM »
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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2009, 09:01:21 PM »
The link I posted are legal, its does not turn the meter backward, its just a capacitor technique.

I was wondering what is the exact circuit for that, since they sell the unit at high price, I believe making one should cost at around 20$ :)

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2009, 09:23:41 PM »
Another similar product: http://plugandsave.com/

Yes this is the same
but you mus under stand : UP TO 45%  !
All others isnt´true.
Technical Description how it work is very well.
GP

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2009, 10:30:40 PM »
Yes, like Pese and others said, "fiddling" with el. energy consumption meters is equal to stealing. Period.
A robbery, if you like...
It is illegal action, and severely (!!!) prosecuted in most of the countries.

This "Bondee B4-88 Power saver" probably works as claimed (reducing your energy bill for a period of time).  ;)
Again, like Pese said, this is as old as the billing of the energy consumption.

"ELECTRIC METERS MOVES BACKWARD!"
Lol, it means your "house" is acting like an energy producer/source (not consumer)... In a month or two, you'll know ALL the consequences...Not just the "I got Free electricity" part.....
You know, el.power companies are not stupid.  They can add 1+1=2.  All the losses are known, and backed up with nowadays computer (and a state of the art measuring) technology (power transportation/delivery/usage/losses/bills), it's not very hard to establish an "above normal leaky" grid....

"Made in Thailand" (sold worldwide)... Yes, I'd say this "method" still works nicely in some countries...

Messing with power-factor circuits (the tips and tricks) is just one of the more "profound" methods...



Of course, it's up to you to decide what your moral standards really are.
 
Any capable electrician knows many ways how to "cheat" electrical companies... In many ways...
I'd say there is a certain (small!) percentage of people who are doing it right now... (Who knows how many people were doing it in the past?)



Eventually, somebody has to pay for the goods. And the power companies ARE The Business...
Any losses (recognised or not) will be - eventually - paid by the consumers....

Normally, all the small "cheaters" are usually "sponsored" by the rest of the good people paying the electricity bills...
Cheers!







 

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Re: 100% energy saver in the market
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 01:38:43 AM »
Is not my intention a member of this community buy an illegal device, all contrary, if the device is using a free energy principle, then it will be honest, the viewpoint of connect that free energy device to the power grid is other theme, but I can see here is not people of scientific spirit, is only using its imagination without test in the laboratory this energy saver for get a more serious conclusion. Only a member here propose as method used for this device an electron multiplier device created for the same company

 In this web site is commented too many free energy devices, and all can be plugged to the power grid, for example, the Tom Bearden MEG, that device as too many free energy devices, needs an external power source, as a battery for start working, but in way of batteries we can plug it to the power grid and replace batteries by rectifiers, in example, let's assign a COP=3 for this device, then, if the load is of 3 KW then the power grid will see only 1 KW and the electrical bill is reduced to 1/3, the meter is not spinning backwards , only spin or indicate less than real power in the load. People here claim it is not legal, then here is a main question.

 All free energy device connected to the power grid will be illegal? ( For example Rotovertex )

 Is that the future of all free energy device plugged to the power grid?


 Bye.


Giga

 

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