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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: magnetman12003 on December 29, 2008, 01:37:30 AM
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Hi All,
Here is an idea I am considering right now. The distance areas marked with a question marks are critical on the illustrated diagram. Depends on what you are using for ring magnets
In my case a huge floor ring magnet and a smaller ring piston magnet offset at 45 degrees that faces the floor magnet under it
Position #1 starts the whole chain of events. (The flywheel is rotated by hand clockwise to start motion.) The lightweight but powerfull piston magnet/rod assembly at this position just starts to lean into and slide "UP" the repel force field generated by the floor ring magnet.
The piston magnet then starts to repell upwards pushing on its rod which in turn drives the offset flywheel crank clockwise.
Position #2 shows the piston magnet at the half point in its up travel. Even if the repel forces are less at this point the inertia of the flywheel spins the lightweight piston and rod up and over top dead center. Thats position #3.
From position #3 to position #1 is all down forces by gravity. Then inertia of the flywheel repeats the whole thing.
Need input as to why it will or wont work. Has anyone acually tried this as illustrated?
Tom
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Hi,
I am actually making progress constructing this device. I am using a 9 pound 7.5 inch diameter flywheel mounted onto quality ball bearings and all turns just by finger touching the flywheel.
Notice when the flywheel is offset with regards to the large floor ring magnet the piston rod will ALWAYS push upwards on the flyweel crank starting in the #1 position until the #3 position is reached. Care in distance positioning both the large floor ring magnet and the piston magnet have to be taken. Thats why I have a question marks on the diagram. You would have to experiment with distances depending on what you use for ring magnets
Not illustrated is my centering rod with sliding ring to allow the piston magnet rod to move up and down and sideways. No fore and aft motion is allowed.
I am going to use a 7.5 inch diameter floor ring magnet and a 3 inch diameter ring magnet offset by 45 degrees.
Why 45 degrees? Hold a small ring magnet over a larger ring magnet with SAME repelling polaritys facing each other. Then turn the smaller ring at 45 degrees and bring it in sideways to the larger ring magnet. Notice how "EASILY" the smaller ring magnet slides upwards on the larger ring magnets repelling flux field. Enough said. ----- Movie clips will follow boom or bust.-----
Tom
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Here is something that can replace a flywheel piston.
Construct a small flat board and set a bunch of small magnets in it with arrowhead outline holes drilled as per the jpeg below.
All the small magnet polaritys face the similar repel polarity of the large floor ring magnet.
Now mount the entire board at 45 degrees with respect to the large floor ring magnet on the piston rod.
You will see exactly how easy the repelling tip of the arrow slides into the repel field of the large floor ring magnet.
By the time the arrow head is all the way inside the flux field of the ring magnet the entire arrowhead studded board is all the way "UP" riding on top of the flux field of the lower large ring magnet.
Give it a try in event you dont have a small ring magnet to use for a piston magnet.
Tom
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Bump.
Got it working yet?
And what happened to that other motor that was certain to work? The square SMOT?
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Hi,
The square SMOT idea went nowhere "BUT" I have completed my 9 pound flywheel powered by magnets and gravity and am testing the device right now. I did not use the large floor ring magnet to power the piston magnet in the UP stroke. To many problems. 45 degrees did not work out either. Constructed something much better and guess what? It works.
I am not going to patent the device as you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or device.
What I am going to patent is the concept I used to levitate ( UP STROKE) my heavy piston magnet. I found a powerful way to do just that. I have not illustrated this to anyone or posted it anywhere..
A lot of folks thought I was crazy and bailed off of my ideas so I quit posting to see if anyone was interested enough to keep in contact with me.
Will post more after I aquire a patent then I will illustrate a working device on syndicated TV and see how it goes.
Tom
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Hi All,
If you are interested at all making something that works you might want to look into using a flywheel and crank setup with piston magnet just as the diagram I posted earlier illustrates. Forget the 45degree angle I have shown and the large floor ring magnet.
All you have to do is find a way as I did to levitate a heavy (piston) magnet directy upwards (vertically). Once you accomplish that you have it made. Gravity will pull the piston magnet down on the right side of the flywheel as illustrated and whatever you have constructed to magnetically lift your piston magnet on the left side of the flywheel takes care of the Up travel.
Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.
It took me a very long time experimenting to find just the right combination and arrangement of magnets to get this to work. I am patenting my "up travel" magnetic device. Not the flywheel motor concept which is universal in knowledge.
Tom
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It sure sounds like you are claiming that you have a self-running magnet motor.
Is that what you are claiming, or not?
I don't believe you. Show a video.
(And you are wrong about "Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.". Once again it looks like you haven't done your homework.)
But at least you are big enough to admit that the square device couldn't work--even though you were so certain of it before, and gave me such a hard time for criticizing it...
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<SNIP>
It took me a very long time experimenting to find just the right combination and arrangement of magnets to get this to work. I am patenting my "up travel" magnetic device. Not the flywheel motor concept which is universal in knowledge.
Tom
It took me two minutes to find this on Youtube. *grin*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKtIsrc-LHs
I dont want to offend you,
but a bit less arrogance would make it more sympathetic to follow up.
2cent
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Hi,
That very same video on U tube by ITSBLOCKDOG was where my interest was started. Itsblockdog was very lucky with how he got it to operate. Notice that there are no shadows showing him pushing the bike wheel around at the end of that movie clip. The bike wheel is rotating with magnetic and gravity help
There was more replications made of that particular setup and also a thread that dead ended about it. It seems everyone gave up on the idea when their replications failed to work. I now know why.
I never gave up on that principle and kept at it because if its very simple nature. Only one bearing, a flywheel, a crank mechanism, and a few permanent magnets. It cant be more simpler than that but it took a lot of time experimenting and fluxing around to arrive where I did.
I dont intend to make a movie and show my device in operation untill I have a patent in my hand for my Up lift magnetic portion of this motor device. Also I dont care if anyone believes me right now.
When I am ready I will contact syndicated TV and display the device since we all know you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or any self runner. They dont exist is what you hear !
Tom
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When I am ready I will contact syndicated TV and display the device since we all know you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or any self runner. They dont exist is what you hear !
Tom
Actually that's not true.
If you read the patent laws, you will find that a patent doesn't mean something works.
On the other hand if you want to patent a PM machine you have to provide a working machine to the patent
office.But nowhere in patent law does it say you can't patent a PM machine.
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That very same video on U tube by ITSBLOCKDOG was where my interest was started. Itsblockdog was very lucky with how he got it to operate. Notice that there are no shadows showing him pushing the bike wheel around at the end of that movie clip. The bike wheel is rotating with magnetic and gravity help
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Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.
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hi,
So not your "finding" and therefore no patent.?
Besides of that, what are you expecting of a patent? There are tenthousands of them.. junk.
..and what are you doing in this (and other) OpenSource-Forums?
OpenSource means not just taking ideas. huh?
My english is not sophisticated enough to tell you what i think about guys whith that attitude.
TinselKoala does way better on that. ::)
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I did much posting ( ALL GIVING ) of many of my ideas on this forum and had a good time trading those ideas with freinds. It seems you never read any of them.
Not ever once was I arrogant and challenged anyone in all my many postings. You are correct this is an open source forum. If you stay here and post your ideas sooner or later everry time you post someone will berate you or challenge your ideas without showing anything to back up what they said. You will never know who they are as everyone hides behind a Web name. It could be a mental patient with an attitude problem.
Yes most all ideas posted will fail but folks keep on moving forward and learning. Sorry if I offended anyone with my postings. I am not about in 5 minutes to divulge what took me a considerable time to find on my own after most folks bailed off of my ideas. I am weary of this so I wont be posting any more.
Tom
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I did much posting ( ALL GIVING ) of many of my ideas on this forum and had a good time trading those ideas with freinds. It seems you never read any of them.
Not ever once was I arrogant and challenged anyone in all my many postings. You are correct this is an open source forum. If you stay here and post your ideas sooner or later everry time you post someone will berate you or challenge your ideas without showing anything to back up what they said. You will never know who they are as everyone hides behind a Web name. It could be a mental patient with an attitude problem.
I am weary of this so I wont be posting any more.
Tom
Maybe the minatowheel group is a better place to be until such time as this forum
receives some proper moderation, and a few people get kicked off.
There are certain parties who aim to discourage, and visit thread after thread doing
nothing but precisely that. I guess its their way of earning a living.
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@Paul,
I dont know, who exactly you mean, but for me as an "Newbie"
its kinda discouraging, if a thread goes with:
"Thanks OpenSource Community for participating and working on my ideas.
Now I go to patent our work to ME. See you on TV."
Am I soo wrong?
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Magnetman - In one post you said it was "so simple" in another you said it took "considerable time" and effort for you to figure it out. Are you meaning that the device concept is simple, but it is hard to discover?
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Hi Fred,
It is a simple concept.
But to get the device to work you have to play with the magnets you have as magnets come in different sizes and strenght. You also have to find distances to space magnets that work. The weight of the flywheel has to thought of as it will be pushed along by the piston magnet.
Its going to take a very long frustrating time to do that as you will find out.
Even if I gave all info as to what I used my flywheel is no longer manufactured so whatever parts I would suggest would be of no help. My flywheel weighs 9 pounds
This part is directed to the fence sitters who just berated and challenged my ideas.
First ---this forum is a LEARNING CENTER where folks pick up on various ideas and run with them. Some ideas have merit others dont. True-- I have submitted both. We all learn together.
If one manages to construct a true overunity device its up to them to decide which way they want to go with what they found. The device does not belong to overunity.com. and is not available on demand as some fence sitters would think it is.
I am calling out "two folks" that apparenty like to fence sit in a learning center classroom and sling berating remarks without acually showing what they have constructed to help others..
Its that time--- Sushimoto and TinselKoala --Show the world what your contributions to this group are with regards only to an "All permanent magnet motor device" No electronics please. I would like to see what you have to offer. "SHOW ALL IN THIS LISTING" with "instructions and diagrams" as to how to make it.
The rest of the classroom is waiting to see. Put up or shutup.
Tom
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Thanks for the response Tom.
I know that TinselKoala is very critical of many ideas on this forum. But I have to give him some credit because (so far) he has *always* been right. I mean, how many ou devices have been replicated on this forum? Zero. TinselKoala seems to have high level of knowledge. I sometimes wonder why he is even here but I suspect that he has a glimmer of hope that somewhere, someone actually finds ou. Also Tom, you have asked him to "put up or shut". If you step back and look at this thread...it really appears that you are asking us to take your word as you have not shown anything either. I typically believe people are honest...so I believe that you could be on to something. Since you don't want to release the info, can you tell me how long you were able to run your device? Did it operate overnight? Did it have any power other than to self-sustain?
Fred
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Its that time--- Sushimoto and TinselKoala --Show the world what your contributions to this group are with regards only to an "All permanent magnet motor device" No electronics please. I would like to see what you have to offer. "SHOW ALL IN THIS LISTING" with "instructions and diagrams" as to how to make it.
The rest of the classroom is waiting to see. Put up or shutup.
Tom
Hi magnetman,
l am still getting notification on this thread and if somebody calls me, i am there.
But before this discussion (maybe) continues, I want to clear up one important thing
which is pretty much elementary and kinda philosophical.
I dont want to fight, blame, or offend you or anybody else here. We are all sitting in the same boat.
In this quest of alternative energies, I do understand everybody here as an elite.
A bit ahead to the common. We do see upcoming problems and maybe desasters and we are looking forward to avoid these.
Just the plain interest on any such device is an advantage. Regardless, if somebody is able to build it,
explains or only has a rough idea without any academical background. This is a discussion platform and therefore
it must allow sceptical statements as well. Just ignore rigid nay-sayers.
I dont know exact numbers, but lets say for this site.
About 16.000 users are involved in the quest for a better real world compared to 20.000.000 addicted to online games and other virtual brain-suckers.
I know very well that you have spent lots of effords for good sake and everything i said here in this thread was valid for this thread only.
Before i was posting, i did reading for about 4 month. Countless hours just to find out,
if there is any advantage in OpenSource instead of working by my own.
Most promising threads ended off-topic with no conclusion, ego-fights or the patent-bla-bla.
A Flywheel IS the right component to make magnet motors and many other mechanical setups better working
and you are experienced and old enough to know that.
So again, in all friendlyness, why do you talk about patenting instead of
making this a better world by showing up a working solution?
You could be the Ghandi of alternative Energies.
*SMILE*
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I am testing this device right now to see how long it operates and how much of a load it will take and still work. If it works for one week under a load I will be satisfied.
If it does not meet what I feel merits powering other devices I will scrap it.
I dont want it to wind up as a "CURIOSITY" like Mr. Reidar Finsruds perpetual rolling ball device in his locked safe.
I am not into this at all for any fame, power, or money. The only reason I think about patenting the Up portion of this device is to stop someone else from doing just that. Then selling the rights to big oil where the device gets buried.
My plan is to make it available to the world for free by exposing it on TV.
The cat will be out of the bag then and big oil money will not be able to stop anyone from making it.
Tom
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We are all sitting in the same boat.
I do not not believe this to be true. You are naïve. There are those
who are trying to interfere with work and impede progress. This
seems to be their job, and they should be recognised by their
actions.
Paul.
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The device will not carry a load at all. A curiosity at best. No good to power anything else.
I junked it and moved on.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Well, the obvious question at this point is: Then why not share your idea? Especially if you feel it didn't work. Its possible that it could spark someone here to find the answer to why it didn't work and we would all benefit. What do you say?
Regards,
Charlie
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I do not not believe this to be true. You are naïve. There are those
who are trying to interfere with work and impede progress. This
seems to be their job, and they should be recognised by their
actions.
Paul.
Maybe I do HAVE to be naive in order to even think about OverUnity at all.
Some call it childish.
If you go to any physics-community with such an idea, you'ld be hitted with some very "serious Laws of Conservation"
Anyways, if there are some serious supressing forces(not the sceptic) here,
we should focus on that particular thread of an concept, because it must be the right finding.
And if somebody here is close to break some "Laws" of physics and we do see such
professional interferencies, we should take it as a good sign.
And BTW, it not neccesary to supress, because inventors with good concepts were killing
themselves or their project by simply going the same way as always.
Finding-> Patent -> Industry/Government = Disáppearance/Sudden Death.
best,
sushi
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Maybe I do HAVE to be naive in order to even think about OverUnity at all.
Some call it childish.
If you go to any physics-community with such an idea, you'ld be hitted with some very "serious Laws of Conservation"
Anyways, if there are some serious supressing forces(not the sceptic) here,
we should focus on that particular thread of an concept, because it must be the right finding.
And if somebody here is close to break some "Laws" of physics and we do see such
professional interferencies, we should take it as a good sign.
And BTW, it not neccesary to supress, because inventors with good concepts were killing
themselves or their project by simply going the same way as always.
Finding-> Patent -> Industry/Government = Disáppearance/Sudden Death.
best,
sushi
Sushi
Your English may not be the best but is certainly good enough to graciously say, "I was right."
Tom, unless you disclose your ideas to this forum, you should expect criticism. Instead, the criticism has been directed at Sushi who expressed what many of us were thinking.
Tropes
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Sushi
Your English may not be the best but is certainly good enough to graciously say, "I was right."
Tom, unless you disclose your ideas to this forum, you should expect criticism. Instead, the criticism has been directed at Sushi who expressed what many of us were thinking.
Tropes
Hi Tropes,
Thanks for translating my bad english and Thanks for understanding what i was trying to say.
Its always hard to argue in foreign languages when it comes to some
rhetorical point of philosophical diskussions.
*smile*