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Author Topic: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.  (Read 12636 times)

Offline magnetman12003

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Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« on: December 29, 2008, 01:37:30 AM »
Hi All,

Here is an idea I am considering right now.  The distance areas marked with a question marks are critical on the illustrated diagram. Depends on what you are using for ring magnets

In my case a huge floor ring magnet and a smaller ring piston magnet offset at 45 degrees that faces the floor magnet under it

Position #1 starts the whole chain of events. (The flywheel is rotated by hand clockwise to start motion.)  The lightweight but powerfull piston magnet/rod assembly at this position just starts to lean into and slide "UP" the repel force field generated by the floor ring magnet.

The piston magnet then starts to repell upwards pushing on its rod which in turn drives the offset flywheel crank clockwise.

Position #2 shows the piston magnet at the half point in its up travel.  Even if the repel forces are less at this point the inertia of the flywheel spins the lightweight piston and rod up and over top dead center.  Thats position #3.

From position #3 to position #1 is all down forces by gravity.  Then inertia of the flywheel repeats the whole thing.

Need input as to why it will or wont work.  Has anyone acually tried this as illustrated?

Tom

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 07:32:07 PM »
Hi,

I am actually making progress constructing this device. I am using a 9 pound  7.5 inch diameter flywheel mounted onto quality ball bearings and all turns just by finger touching the flywheel.

Notice when the flywheel is offset with regards to the large floor ring magnet the piston rod will ALWAYS push upwards on the flyweel crank starting in the #1 position until the #3 position is reached. Care in distance positioning both the large floor ring magnet and the piston magnet have to be taken. Thats why I have a question marks on the diagram. You would have to experiment with distances depending on what you use for ring magnets

Not illustrated is my centering rod with sliding ring to allow  the piston magnet rod to move up and down and sideways. No fore and aft motion is allowed.

I am going to use a 7.5 inch diameter floor ring magnet and a 3 inch diameter ring magnet offset by 45 degrees.

Why 45 degrees?  Hold a small ring magnet over a larger ring magnet with SAME repelling polaritys  facing each other. Then turn the smaller ring at 45 degrees and bring it in sideways to the larger ring magnet. Notice how "EASILY" the smaller ring magnet slides upwards on the larger ring magnets repelling flux field.  Enough said.   ----- Movie clips will follow boom or bust.-----

Tom

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 09:41:59 PM »
Here is something that can replace a flywheel piston.

Construct a small flat board and set a bunch of small magnets in it with arrowhead outline holes drilled as per the jpeg below.

All the small magnet polaritys face the similar repel polarity of the large  floor ring magnet.

Now mount the entire board at 45 degrees with respect to the large floor ring magnet on the piston rod.

You will see exactly how easy the repelling tip of the arrow slides into the repel field of the large floor ring magnet.

By the time the arrow head is all the way inside the flux field of the ring magnet the  entire arrowhead studded board is all the way "UP" riding on top of the flux field of the lower large ring magnet. 

Give it a try in event you dont have a small ring magnet to use for a piston magnet.

Tom
« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 01:18:45 AM by magnetman12003 »

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 03:52:08 PM »
Bump.
Got it working yet?
And what happened to that other motor that was certain to work? The square SMOT?

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 04:29:34 PM »
Hi,

The square SMOT idea went nowhere "BUT" I have completed my 9 pound flywheel powered by magnets and gravity and am testing the device right now.  I did not use the large floor ring magnet to power the piston magnet in the UP stroke.  To many problems. 45 degrees did not work out either. Constructed something much better and guess what?  It works.

I am not going to patent the device as you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or device.
What I am going to patent is the concept I used to levitate ( UP STROKE) my heavy piston magnet. I found a powerful way to do just that.  I have not illustrated this to anyone or posted it anywhere..

A lot of folks thought I was crazy and bailed off of my ideas so I quit posting to see if anyone was interested enough to keep in contact with me. 

Will post more after I aquire a patent then I will illustrate a working device on syndicated TV and see how it goes.

Tom


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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 07:36:15 PM »
Hi All,

If you are interested at all making something that works you might want to look into using a flywheel and crank setup with piston magnet just as the diagram I posted earlier illustrates. Forget the 45degree angle I have shown and the large floor ring magnet.

All you have to do is find a way as I did to levitate a heavy (piston) magnet directy upwards (vertically).  Once you accomplish that you have it made.  Gravity will pull the piston magnet down on the right side of the flywheel as illustrated and whatever you have constructed to magnetically lift your piston magnet on the left side of the flywheel takes care of the Up travel.

Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.

It took me a very long time experimenting to find just the right combination and arrangement of magnets  to get this to work.  I am patenting my "up travel" magnetic device. Not the flywheel motor concept which is universal in knowledge.

Tom

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 08:26:14 PM »
It sure sounds like you are claiming that you have a self-running magnet motor.

Is that what you are claiming, or not?

I don't believe you. Show a video.

(And you are wrong about "Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.". Once again it looks like you haven't done your homework.)

But at least you are big enough to admit that the square device couldn't work--even though you were so certain of it before, and gave me such a hard time for criticizing it...

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Offline sushimoto

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 09:00:40 PM »
<SNIP>
It took me a very long time experimenting to find just the right combination and arrangement of magnets  to get this to work.  I am patenting my "up travel" magnetic device. Not the flywheel motor concept which is universal in knowledge.

Tom

It took me two minutes to find this on Youtube. *grin*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKtIsrc-LHs

I dont want to offend you,
but a bit less arrogance would make it more sympathetic to follow up.

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 12:29:39 AM »
Hi,

That very same video on U tube by ITSBLOCKDOG  was where my interest was started.  Itsblockdog was very lucky with how he got it to operate. Notice that there are no shadows showing him pushing the bike wheel around at the end of that movie clip. The bike wheel is rotating with magnetic and gravity help

There was more replications made of that particular setup and also a thread that dead ended about it. It seems everyone gave up on the idea when their replications failed to work. I now know why.

 I never gave up on that principle and kept at it because if its very simple nature.  Only one bearing, a flywheel, a crank mechanism, and a few permanent magnets.  It cant be more simpler than that but it took a lot of time experimenting and fluxing around to arrive where I did.

I dont intend to make a movie and show my device in operation untill I have a patent in my hand for my Up lift magnetic portion of this motor device.   Also I dont care if anyone believes me right now.

When I am ready I will contact syndicated TV and display the device since we all know you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or any self runner.  They dont exist is what you hear !

Tom

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 01:13:16 AM »
When I am ready I will contact syndicated TV and display the device since we all know you cant patent a perpetual motion machine or any self runner.   They dont exist is what you hear !

Tom

Actually that's not true.
If you read the patent laws, you will find that a patent doesn't mean something works.
On the other hand if you want to patent a PM machine you have to provide a working machine to the patent
office.But nowhere in patent law does it say you can't patent a PM machine.

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 01:44:09 AM »

That very same video on U tube by ITSBLOCKDOG  was where my interest was started.  Itsblockdog was very lucky with how he got it to operate. Notice that there are no shadows showing him pushing the bike wheel around at the end of that movie clip. The bike wheel is rotating with magnetic and gravity help
<snip>
Its so simple and easy to do I just wonder why no one had ever experimented in that direction.
<SNIP>

hi,
So not your "finding" and therefore no patent.?
Besides of that, what are you expecting of a patent? There are tenthousands of them.. junk.
..and what are you doing in this (and other) OpenSource-Forums?
OpenSource means not just taking ideas. huh?

My english is not sophisticated enough to tell you what i think about guys whith that attitude.

TinselKoala does way better on that.  ::)



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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 03:04:20 AM »
I did much posting ( ALL GIVING ) of many of my ideas on this forum and had a good time trading those ideas with freinds.  It seems you never read any of them.

Not ever once was I arrogant and challenged anyone in all my many postings.  You are correct this is an open source forum.   If you stay here and post your ideas sooner or later everry time you post someone will berate you or challenge your ideas without showing anything to back up what they said. You will never know who they are as everyone hides behind a Web name.  It could be a mental patient with an attitude problem.

Yes most all ideas posted will fail but folks keep on moving forward and learning.  Sorry if I offended anyone with my postings.  I am not about in 5 minutes to divulge what took me a considerable time to find on my own after most folks bailed off of my ideas.  I am weary of this so  I wont be posting any more.
 
Tom

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 04:17:00 PM »
I did much posting ( ALL GIVING ) of many of my ideas on this forum and had a good time trading those ideas with freinds.  It seems you never read any of them.

Not ever once was I arrogant and challenged anyone in all my many postings.  You are correct this is an open source forum.   If you stay here and post your ideas sooner or later everry time you post someone will berate you or challenge your ideas without showing anything to back up what they said. You will never know who they are as everyone hides behind a Web name.  It could be a mental patient with an attitude problem.

I am weary of this so  I wont be posting any more.
 
Tom

Maybe the minatowheel group is a better place to be until such time as this forum
receives some proper moderation, and a few people get kicked off.

There are certain parties who aim to discourage, and visit thread after thread doing
nothing but precisely that. I guess its their way of earning a living.

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 04:55:52 PM »
@Paul,
I dont know, who exactly you mean, but for me as an "Newbie"
its kinda discouraging, if a thread goes with:
"Thanks OpenSource Community for participating and working on my ideas.
Now I go to patent our work to ME. See you on TV."


Am I soo wrong?

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Re: Flywheel powered by magnets and gravity? Need ideas.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 08:28:36 PM »
Magnetman - In one post you said it was "so simple" in another you said it took "considerable time" and effort for you to figure it out. Are you meaning that the device concept is simple, but it is hard to discover?

 

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