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Title: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on December 26, 2008, 02:04:36 AM
If you are tired of all the bull on OU sites these days and notice how incredibly ineffective the OU community has been in accomplishing anything , you are not the only one . The reason is because there is nobody  working on something credible , there is a lack or proper direction . There is also no communication between serious experimenters and finally too few experimenting and way too much ``theorizing`` ..

To counter this trend , I am organizing a research team of amateur researchers in order to uncover the secrets of Stanley Meyers VIC 6-1 , so far we are 5 people working on this and will be communicating our findings and methodolgy . This has never been done by anybody yet . We are looking for more qualified people who wish to work with us in order to solve Meyers once and for all .

These are some interresting videos about the VIC coil , you may also read more about it in the briefing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0


Tools necessary for this adventure : Stainless steel 430FR wire , 28-32 AWG magnet wire , 40-44 awg magnet wire , delrin bobbin material , ferrite core 1/4 to 1/2 ferrite core or electrical steel core , High precision scale . Basic tools . The coil itself will be small , about 630 feet per choke , time 2 , so 1260 feet per VIC coil . It will be quickly made since 430-FR wire has 18.8 ohms per foot .

I will be providing the stainless steel wire for the experiment since I made a big order of this . I payed 3000$ for this wire and it took 6 months to make .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185

Read this quote if you wanna know my take on this , I believe it has to do with single wire transmission and scalar potential

http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3240-real-injector-vic-coil-6-1-a.html

So if you wish to join the team and work on the most promising project in history pm me
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Farlander on December 26, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
If you explain to me why stainless steel wire is needed, I'll consider joining.  But I'm not buying anything.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: alan on December 26, 2008, 06:50:14 PM
Hello again D.

The last link you provided is crippled.
Also read this this post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-3.html#post38406

Who do you know of have created the steam resonator? (part 11 of the techbrief)

gr8 to see more people are thinking beyond the 'HHO' hype.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: alan on December 26, 2008, 07:11:43 PM
If you explain to me why stainless steel wire is needed, I'll consider joining.  But I'm not buying anything.
Why not, Meyer said SS is necessary.
It is needed to lag the current even more. (correct if i'm wrong)
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Mr.Tesla on December 26, 2008, 07:28:21 PM
If you are tired of all the bull on OU sites these days and notice how incredibly ineffective the OU community has been in accomplishing anything , you are not the only one . The reason is because there is nobody  working on something credible , there is a lack or proper direction . There is also no communication between serious experimenters and finally too few experimenting and way too much ``theorizing`` ..

To counter this trend , I am organizing a research team of amateur researchers in order to uncover the secrets of Stanley Meyers VIC 6-1 , so far we are 5 people working on this and will be communicating our findings and methodolgy . This has never been done by anybody yet . We are looking for more qualified people who wish to work with us in order to solve Meyers once and for all .

These are some interresting videos about the VIC coil , you may also read more about it in the briefing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0


Tools necessary for this adventure : Stainless steel 430FR wire , 28-32 AWG magnet wire , 40-44 awg magnet wire , delrin bobbin material , ferrite core 1/4 to 1/2 ferrite core or electrical steel core , High precision scale . Basic tools . The coil itself will be small , about 630 feet per choke , time 2 , so 1260 feet per VIC coil . It will be quickly made since 430-FR wire has 18.8 ohms per foot .

I will be providing the stainless steel wire for the experiment since I made a big order of this . I payed 3000$ for this wire and it took 6 months to make .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185

Read this quote if you wanna know my take on this , I believe it has to do with single wire transmission and scalar potential

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post36042

So if you wish to join the team and work on the most promising project in history pm me

I have to agree on this one,there's too much crap on this and other forums aswell am not critisizing nobody am just saying it could be better.
Too much blablabla but no proof to show it's working.Numerous topics opened without a single picture or experiment to back it up.

Oh and thanks on the new vids.Haven't seen these.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on December 26, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
link is fixed , I posted the wrong link , sorry guys , I was mixed up with all the pages i had opened ...


I wont explain why it was used other than the following links and the video I provided . You may look yourself on the web for some wire ... good luck . Minimal order is like 2000$ and there few months lead time

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: ramset on December 26, 2008, 09:43:01 PM
dankie
Farlander posted on this thread last night http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6396.0;topicseen something  I have never seen before [thankyou farlander]

I believe your idea is way overdue and would gladly participate

can you comment on this farlander post and your seemingly different approach

Thankyou
 Chet
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Mr.Tesla on December 26, 2008, 10:56:52 PM
He produced 200LPH with just 1.2 Watts :o Mind blowing stuff...
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on December 26, 2008, 11:45:05 PM
Tad Johnson , the man himself , posted a picture of his cell over @ ionizationx.com

under the username ``unclefester``

He had a huge ass cell worth 5000$ dollars in stainless steel . He used double steamed distilled water . And he mentionned it was a very unstable cell without advanced elecronics .

What he achieved was the electrical polarization process , anybody could achieve that .

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 04, 2009, 03:16:57 AM
These are a few links to show the kind of "resistance"  I and other people have received throught the last year .. Note that I am the only one who didnt get discouraged by this "resistance" ...

Looking back I find their attitude very suspicious and off-topic  ... But where are these people now  ???

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1027

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1033

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=953

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1082

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=802&start=15

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3119&highlight=#3119
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 06, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg


I have come to the conclusion that stainless steel is not more expensive than copper , it is just more bastardly to acquire . Ive had people say to me to follow the KISS method 6 months ago and to forget the idea , well ... this is the KISS method my friend.

This may be also due to the stumbling industrial base , maybe it was more common in Stan's days but I can see why this coil has never been reproduced properly .

If somebody were to respect Stan words when he describes the VIC coil 6-1 and 7-1 , Stan says resistance of 11.6k ohms per choke is suitable .

You would need about 2.3 pounds or about 28,000 feet of 36 awg wire ... @ 90$ a pound... thats 200$ per coil ... you need 2 coils...  so thats 400$ per VIC

http://www.planetengineers.com/default.asp?cat=Wire%2C+Magnet

With stainless steel 430 FR you can make a 11,6 k choke with 590 feet , times 2 ... thats 1180 feet  ... Thats 47.6 times less wire if same AWG is used .

With 1 pound of stainless steel 430 FR you can make 10 VIC

With 4.5 pounds of copper you can make one VIC ...

Not to mention way way way less winding to do

So it just makes sense to use S/S wire instead , less time to wind , 10 times cheaper to make 1 choke  + we are respecting what Stan is saying .
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 14, 2009, 10:00:07 PM
You should know that only a few classes of alloy are meant to be used as coil wire .

Plz read and compares quote # 6 with what carpenter is saying .

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6299/4302ao9.jpg

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.aspx?i=103&e=63&c=techart

http://www.cartech.com/techarticles.aspx?id=1562


Taken from carpenter...

Saturation induction or magnetization (Bs) – this is the force that can be applied via a magnetic core to overcome mechanical forces (i.e. springs). High magnetic saturation allows development of a strong magnetic field, enabling control devices like solenoids and fuel injectors to function with as little input energy as possible. The higher the magnetic saturation or induced field, the more force can be applied and the greater the mechanical efficiency of the control component. Likewise, the higher the magnetic saturation the smaller and lighter the component can be designed without any loss in performance.
– this is the force that can be applied via a magnetic core to overcome mechanical forces (i.e. springs). High magnetic saturation allows development of a strong magnetic field, enabling control devices like solenoids and fuel injectors to function with as little input energy as possible. The higher the magnetic saturation or induced field, the more force can be applied and the greater the mechanical efficiency of the control component. Likewise, the higher the magnetic saturation the smaller and lighter the component can be designed without any loss in performance.

Permeability – High permeability means that less magnetizing force, with smaller applied field, is needed to obtain desired performance. High permeability induces high magnetism, allowing the design of smaller, cheaper components that can perform with greater efficiency and with less power input.

[/b]
Coercive Force (Hc) - this force permits rapid demagnetization, essential in opening and closing devices such as valves and injectors quickly. The lower the force required to open and close without "sticking", the better. Low coercive force, for example, can permit design of a smaller spring to allow a fuel injector to operate in harmony with a higher speed cylinder.
) - this force permits rapid demagnetization, essential in opening and closing devices such as valves and injectors quickly. The lower the force required to open and close without "sticking", the better. Low coercive force, for example, can permit design of a smaller spring to allow a fuel injector to operate in harmony with a higher speed cylinder.

Electrical Resistivity – High electrical resistivity is desirable because it impedes the formation of wasteful eddy current in AC or rapidly pulsed DC applications. High resistivity means that less power is needed to drive the control device. Low eddy current loss results in a more responsive device which becomes more important as operating speeds increase.
– High electrical resistivity is desirable because it impedes the formation of wasteful eddy current in AC or rapidly pulsed DC applications. High resistivity means that less power is needed to drive the control device. Low eddy current loss results in a more responsive device which becomes more important as operating speeds increase.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Farlander on January 18, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
@ Ramset -- thank you for the recognition, it's certainly the first time anybody has commended me for water fuel research.

@Dankie -- excellent information.  I understand the significance of the stainless wire now.  Copper wire has a low permeability in comparison, meaning that current flowing near it will not generate a very large magnetic field.  Stainless on the other hand, comprised of a lot of iron and nickel, is highly permeable, thus very electro-magnetic.  The chokes should be wound of stainless so they generate stronger fields to impede electron leakage.

Also, the graph from video 6? of the Colorado Free Energy series talks about the exponential rise in HHO production with rise in voltage... how interesting.

Ok Dankie, I"m on board with your team idea, if it's still active.  Here's my status:

I have been corresponding with some electrical engineers and we redesigned the Lawton D14 circuit.  Some resistor values have been changed, and the driver circuit has been improved.  I'm waiting for parts to arrive on Monday so I can rebuild it, again.  I hope I can test soon using my stainless steel plate configuration.
I am committed to seeing this thing through to the end and I will give/take as much help as I can.   For now, most of what I know is on my site -- a lot of Meyers patents and diagrams can be found there.  It's still a mess but getting there.

The way I see it though we need to figure out the automatic resonant detector.
Ciao
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 18, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
better hurry up , only have 3 pounds left @ 400$ a pound .

Specs and info is there , very informative thread , you can also see some of my very satisfied customers...

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BeojLzAlDc&feature=related ( most high performance fuel injector are made with 430FR )

http://www.asminternational.org/pdf/misc/cartech.pdf

Quote from advanced materials and processes :

Type 430FR has the best magnetic properties and lowest residual magnetism of all the stainless steels .
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 19, 2009, 01:24:02 AM
Its very easy to understand:

If you want to maximize the energy transmission from a "fixed" source to an oscillating circuit - you need a short pulse and low damping. ( think on how you excite a tuning fork - if you stay in contact with the tuningfork after touch down - too much damping).
On Meyers mechanical hv contact assemblys - the oscillation of the cell is only damped by the ionized air on opening the switch.
If you feed pulses with his vic setup - you need high voltage. To achieve step charging - there has to be more energy comming in (during the pulse) - than is drained in between the pulses because of dc current thru the chokes.
The vic setup allows a low(or lets say right) impedance - high power pulse to be transmitted - but acts as high inductance - high resistance - high impedance thing between the pulses.
I read somewhere that the impedance of one choke was around 14.3k Ohm ?
If you calculate how much copper wire you would need for such coil - ss is a nice option - this is how you come down to a reasonable sized coil.
Another option would be to have all impedances/freq. matched - that you could achieve that without high resistive wire. At some point it was said that Meyer used ss wire setup as additional feature to protect his invention - because you can overcome the problem from both sides.

Lots of people don´t understand his "pulsetrains".
He means a "train" of pulses - not a pulse-train alike voltage from a voltage source. He means - pulse - high-z -pulse-high-z .....

After building some vic things (not with ss - just to understand the principle) - I´m now up to build a solid state hv switcher - because this should be somehow easier to tune.

On an VIC setup - everything influences each other - thats in combination with the ss wire a difficult job.

rgds.




Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 19, 2009, 01:28:29 AM
Ridiculous and unclear babbling ... absolutely baseless ... VVTF is this polution ?

Dynodon will post pictures of the S/S VIC soon , the steam resonator was also made with S/S wire . Youll see how small it was .

Youll see...

For now Ill let you see some real talk , some real shizz , some proven shizz .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.aspx?i=103&e=63&c=techart

http://www.cartech.com/techarticles.aspx?id=1562
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 19, 2009, 01:40:04 AM
Automatic resonance detecor:

Almost simple thing.
He uses an extra "sense" coil on his vic. If the vic has the chance to operate in a matched way at resonance - the flux goes up - the stuff consumes less energy - damping drops.
Due to the fact that the resonance frequency changes depending on gas production - the control loop tries to keep track on the sweet spot / condition.

There is no single mysterious thing with his setups - just matching the impedance, bring damping down and maximize the oscillation. At the point where the resonance is established - you only have to compensate the losses of the resonator.

rgds.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 19, 2009, 02:08:39 AM
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Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Chris31 on January 19, 2009, 02:18:37 AM
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?  :-\

Any link? video? I can watch. I would like to see that sudden burst of massive production as the cell goes on resonance.

Thanks
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Dave45 on January 19, 2009, 02:34:13 AM
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?

uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe


Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Chris31 on January 19, 2009, 04:22:53 AM
uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I think Im aware of that ;D Yup, too many people seems to have the answer like they already have the working unit.

I seen a few in various forum building PLL, MCU controlled cell, etc etc, but they quickly vanish.

Well Im just trying my luck, you never know  ;D
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 19, 2009, 05:29:07 AM
PLZ KEEP THIS ON TOPIC.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 19, 2009, 10:30:37 AM
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?
uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I would look for a decrease in current consumption - don´t think that the gas production will increase dramatically.

1) How to optimize /autocontrol the excitation of a resonator can be easily verified using a glass and make it singing with the fingertip.
No theory.

2) That you can achieve a high energy flow in time by pumping up a resonator is again no theory instead used everywhere.
I do that on a daily basis with my daughter on a swing. As long as my energy putting in equals the aerodynamic loss and the friction in the bearing - I can maintain a high energy flow form kinetic to static back and forth.

3)That this high flow is able to brake up water with the efficiency Meyer claims is the interesting thing.

Problem is that most of the people get lost in 1) and 2), starting to develop mindboggling theories on basic physical/electrical issues.
(Well, I might include Mr. Meyer at that point - BTW: he made his way thru)
 
Back to topic - the vic setup with ss wire can be seen as very elastic string attached to the swing (less damping) - This string "freezes", gets completly stiff in the situations when you fed the input pulse. (the back emf is induced in secondary and chokes, which are dominatly coupled by the mutual capacity of the bifilar chokes) The mutual capacity of the bifilar high resistive chokes accounts for that.

Its quite obvious that you can have the same result by shortly touching the swing in the right moment. (which is technically not that simple because we are talking about kilovolts)
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 19, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Or if we stay in the electrical domain -
If the magnetic flux in the vic is stationary (in between the pulses) the load (our cell) "sees"  a high resistance (ss wire) with high inductivity which is very less inviting path for electrons. -> no damping, elastic.
On turning on the voltage to the low inductivity primary coil - the core gets charged with certain magnetic flux. Due to the builtin diode on the secondary - its not involved at that point in time (disconnected).
On turning off the voltage - the rapidly decaying flux appears as high back emf with reverse polarity - now our diode is conducting - and this flux induces all turns of the secondary/chokes simultaneously. At this point the mutual capacity in between the turns of the chokes "bypasses" the resistance of the ss wire (for this transient)- and you get a stiff powerful pulse to the cell. (This is even enhanced by the fact that both chokes are wound bifilar which  gives a very tight response).

The problematic thing is that the cell (which is somehow a compound complex impedance with dominating capacitive behaviour) needs an extra coil outside to form an electrical resonator. This means that if we take Meyers vic circuits in mind - part of the vic - and I think that the two bifilar chokes - act in a second role as terminating inductor (secondary bypassed by mutual capacity between the chokes) for the cell. (in some circuits he has one of the chokes tuneable - so he can achieve some asymmetry here to get the right inductance).
The secondary can´t play a role in this job - because of the diode. A resonance current induced by the chokes has to manifest as a corresponding flux in the vic core - otherwise he couldn´t use the sense coil to detect resonance.

This means that the cell and this inductive part have to be matched to a useful frequency which is difficult to calculate - additional the secondary + choke have to be optimized as pulse transformer + the primary inductivity has to be optimized for the pulse frequency to get as much flux as possible + it even somehow looks like there is a need to match the electrical resonance to a mechanical resonance in the outer tube excited by the involved coulomb force.

So even if you build a vic which is in first order a good pulse transformer - you only completed 10% of the job.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 19, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
Fritz , stop the damage control , people know it was made with s/s coil wire . Dynodon will post a picture soon of the VIC and the Steam resonator coil . It was all made with S/S wire and it was all small .

Nothing is clear in what you say unlike what you think  , its all baseless opinion ... You have never tried anything besides that ignition coil . The evidence and scientific facts are all there for you to see for your own eyes .

These are a few links to show the kind of "resistance"  I and other people have received throught the last year .. Note that I am the only one who didnt get discouraged by this "resistance" ...

Looking back I find their attitude very suspicious and off-topic  ... But where are these people now  ??

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1027

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1033

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=953

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1082

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=802&start=15

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3119&highlight=#3119
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 19, 2009, 10:27:40 PM
What damage control ?
Have I said something against it ?
Even for my next setup I will need s/s wire or something similar which has the same properties.
What I see all day is that people build something on vague descriptions - have no clue how it operates and what physical principles apply - and complain if it doesnt work the first time after switched on.

If you really think my VIC analysis is baseless opinion than I anyway have to back off this discussion.
What concerns the ignition coil - this was just funny experimenting - which is BTW often needed for the right hands-on experience.
I earn my money and pay my bills with engineering since years.
I never "try" things - I build things or experiment with things. And if there´s an experiment there is an input, an output and a analysis.
If I´ve tried something - than it was a fruitful exchange of knowledge and experience in this forums -
Maybe I should learn out of that and waste my baseless opinions elsewhere.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Grumpy on January 19, 2009, 11:02:47 PM

So even if you build a vic which is in first order a good pulse transformer - you only completed 10% of the job.


This is a very good point.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 19, 2009, 11:56:46 PM
This is a very good point.



Shhhh ... You know nothing , all you do is talk of free energy .

This thread is for serious people , go talk elsewhere .
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Dave45 on January 20, 2009, 12:05:27 AM
I think dankie just wants to sell his wire he got stiffed for  ::)
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Grumpy on January 20, 2009, 12:35:35 AM
Shhhh ... You know nothing , all you do is talk of free energy .

This thread is for serious people , go talk elsewhere .



You might want to ask a few people about what I know.

I'll come back by here in a few months and if you haven't taken your followers to the "exploding water promised land", I'll give you a hand.  You know, help a brother out and all that.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 20, 2009, 12:39:33 AM
Lol I dont een listen to this jibberish anymore , I know what I have to do and yall are just invisible fly-by talkers to me .

Now plz lets stay on topic . I appreciate technical conversations but not this debating jibberish ...

Plz stop the polution .
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 20, 2009, 03:19:24 AM
The first thing you have to know - is - that it works with fair trade bananas only.
You check out 5 bananas and arrange them in a way (depending on
the hemisphere where you live) in a left or right oriented golden spiral.
Have I forgotten that you need exact 12/144 inch teflon coating on them ?
yes - but we will come to that later.
Well - now its time to come in the middle of the banana spiral and shout out
loud: "Im such an ignorant fool that everybody has to love me"
(You have to shout out pretty loud)
Next thing that happens - is  -that I put on my special trousers with kevlar knee protection -
and will crawl for 30 days from Vienna to Berlin on my knees to Harti.
There, I´ll ask him for the sake of my grandmother to put you and your thread under
the §7 act for sensible inventors. (better known as "the Dr. Stiffler Act").
This gives you the chance to delete unpleasant postings without any need to explain
or argue. A side effect is that you don´t have to fool people you are not interested, anyway.

Now back to the teflon issue.
Because of the low friction coating - you can swallow the bananas in a piece - piece by piece.
This gives you the mental strength to delete everything without reading it.
 
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: fritz on January 20, 2009, 03:41:24 AM
Dear Dr. Stiffler,

(Maybe you still waste your time here)
I just want to clarify that there is no syllabic connection
between you, the proposed act and the highly important
banana ritual.
But I think its essential that da(o)nk(ey)ie gets admin rights.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Grumpy on January 20, 2009, 05:35:45 AM
Lol I dont een listen to this jibberish anymore , I know what I have to do and yall are just invisible fly-by talkers to me .

Now plz lets stay on topic . I appreciate technical conversations but not this debating jibberish ...

Plz stop the polution .

You post this SS wire BS on every forum on the planet, but everyone else is fly-by.  When a few  months ago you BS'd about some sort of  ionizing nozzle.

What does the ss wire have to do with the effect of polarizing the water and then releasing this energy?  Hmm?  Not a damn thing.   

You are focused on the circuit when you should be focused on the cell and the water in it.

Are you familiar with the Meyer water-type chart?  As the dielectric constant goes up so does the energy output.  Why? 

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: newbie123 on January 20, 2009, 06:44:18 AM
You guys are funny with this double steam distilled water bizniss.... Why in the heck would distilled, deionized, de-mineralized water   make a bit of difference in a cell's production?  You do realize that water self-ionizes, and with a little bit of current ions form all over the place.   


Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Farlander on January 20, 2009, 06:51:01 AM
Quote
Are you familiar with the Meyer water-type chart?  As the dielectric constant goes up so does the energy output.  Why? 

Simple, higher dielectric means you can achieve higher voltage without leaking electrons.

I must say Dankie, you really disappoint.  Fritz was making VERY valid and useful points, had you bothered to "try" and understand them you might have realized this, but as I said all along, I'm not buying anything, and the first thing you try to do is sell me $400 pound of ss wire or something!  WTF!

Now, back to tech, I'm pretty sure I understand what is going on here, correct me/add opinions if this doesn't mesh with anybody.
Meyers talks about the 'resonant frequency of water'-- this is really not the resonant frequency of water at all, but it is a frequency that VIBRATES the water.  The tubes in his setup were notched right?  Supposedly for tuning purposes?  So when the tubes are in tune, a particular AC (or pulsed DC) frequency will vibrate the whole assembly.  THIS agitation creates rapidly changing high/low pressure zones that literally squeeze and bend the water molecules, making them easier to break.  This is why Meyers used tubes, because they don't allow much water to escape out either side, and they ring well.
Next, the adjustable negative choke coil--  This is so the resonant frequency of the CIRCUIT can be MATCHED with that of the tubes.  Once you have figured this out, and created a self sustaining resonant circuit BOOM see ya

I'll race you and your 'team' Dankie
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Chris31 on January 20, 2009, 07:03:12 AM
Im gonna have to say it too...

Dankie is trying to sell the wires. I see him aggressively advertising this wire in other forums. All his experiment seems to direct people to buy this wires that he talks off.

He even disrupt the water spark plug thread at energetic forum.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 20, 2009, 08:36:44 AM
You guys gotta remember that this is reality , and FACTS beats opinions any day of the week . And the FACTS are there to support what I'm saying it doesnt matter how many you are gaging up on me trying to say that I am wrong  ...

LOL you guys make me laugh ... How can you race me when you dont even have the tools to begin working on this lol ... By the time youll  finished winding 2 times  28 000 feet my R&D will be near finished lol  ;D

Free energy is not something you learn on overunity.com , its something only a handful will ever see through good observation and hard work . And when recreating something like this from a patent , we have to go heavily by elimination and logic to get a genereal idea of what materials and physical build and just frikkin do it right .

Now I'll say this so its obvious to you guys , I NEED MONEY !!!!!!  I will be using and building with this wire @ the same time I sell some . Because it cost me alot of money ... Its very simple ...

The evidence is there , I will let people judge for themselves ... Hope Dynodon posts soon for an "in your face moment" ...

A guy is allowed to have good judgement and get back @ his investment . .



Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Farlander on January 20, 2009, 06:51:02 PM
I'm not saying that SS wire is not important to the choke coil process, it may even prove to be more economically viable than larger amounts of copper, but may I kindly suggest to you that in the future you bring a better attitude to the table when trying to sell merchandise.

Does anyone know what kind of equipment a stainless bifilar choke could be found in?  Maybe we can harvest some from scrap equipment.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: CrazyEwok on January 21, 2009, 12:33:56 AM
You guys gotta remember that this is reality , and FACTS beats opinions any day of the week . And the FACTS are there to support what I'm saying it doesnt matter how many you are gaging up on me trying to say that I am wrong  ...
In the words of scientists around the world "FACTS are proven repeatable examples" so where is this dank???

LOL you guys make me laugh ... How can you race me when you dont even have the tools to begin working on this lol ... By the time youll  finished winding 2 times  28 000 feet my R&D will be near finished lol  ;D 

If you have said "team" why not send out one or 2 of your team to sell your wire??? that way since your the "brains" you'll get more done faster and be finished sooner?!?

Free energy is not something you learn on overunity.com , its something only a handful will ever see through good observation and hard work . And when recreating something like this from a patent , we have to go heavily by elimination and logic to get a genereal idea of what materials and physical build and just frikkin do it right .
elimination and logic huh? right ok then since you've been all talk and your team does all the work while you try and fob off your overprice wire i logically eliminate you as someone who can actually get something like free energy done...

Now I'll say this so its obvious to you guys , I NEED MONEY !!!!!!  I will be using and building with this wire @ the same time I sell some . Because it cost me alot of money ... Its very simple ...

The evidence is there , I will let people judge for themselves ... Hope Dynodon posts soon for an "in your face moment" ...

A guy is allowed to have good judgement and get back @ his investment . .
lol you need more than money i would say you invested more than you could actually afford into something that has since dropped in price and to re-coop on your losses you now have to push for sales...
have fun and watch the magic!!!
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 21, 2009, 02:59:41 AM
In the words of scientists around the world "FACTS are proven repeatable examples" so where is this dank???

If you have said "team" why not send out one or 2 of your team to sell your wire??? that way since your the "brains" you'll get more done faster and be finished sooner?!?
elimination and logic huh? right ok then since you've been all talk and your team does all the work while you try and fob off your overprice wire i logically eliminate you as someone who can actually get something like free energy done...
lol you need more than money i would say you invested more than you could actually afford into something that has since dropped in price and to re-coop on your losses you now have to push for sales...
have fun and watch the magic!!!

Plz see the timeline to understand. We are the first working on those facts thats why you have seen none , unlike you who is working on nothing . My team do as they please and I ask nothing of them at all , everybody is happy to wind small coils  ...

You dont know what your talking about . Nothing has dropped in price , plz contact carpenter or a wire company and see for yourself ...

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Grumpy on January 21, 2009, 05:45:56 AM
Is there any evidence that Meyer actually used SS wire or did he just add that without actually verifying it?  He clearly states that copper can be used, so there is no magic to the ss wire other than less is required.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 21, 2009, 05:55:23 AM
Is there any evidence that Meyer actually used SS wire or did he just add that without actually verifying it?  He clearly states that copper can be used, so there is no magic to the ss wire other than less is required.


http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: CrazyEwok on January 21, 2009, 08:01:09 AM
yeah your right nothing has dropped in price... People are cutting their mark ups at all trying to seel their stock before their company folds under the strain of the pending recession. this is all just a figurement of my imagination. And your team now do as they please huh... I thought a team was a group of people that work together to achieve a common goal. but you just said they do as they please... so this is a team without a leader working on something you have only proved to yourselves that it works and i am the one that doesn't know what i am talking about?!?

So if i give $1000 will you give me a copy of your information pack so i too can sign people up so that i can be at the top of the pyramid one dany and get the grand prize??? PLEAAAAZE!!!! pffft. If you'd proven it then you would have no worries getting funding for an actual team that could be deligated... You got nothing... Wait i take that back you have a roll of over priced SS wire that no-one wants and a half-baked plan to make a device that will save the world that only you and your mates have seen work... Yeah i think i will sit here with my "nothing" and continue on my way... lol Good luck, and don't worry the MIB will be around to buy some of that stainless steel once they ask you nicely for your "secret plans" so they can mail it to the tooth fairy to organize mass production at SANTAS WORKSHOP!!!
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: IronHead on January 21, 2009, 08:56:47 AM
Now that is funny, and so true from all that I have seen in the many forums these SS wire Threads seem to propagate through .




Take it to eBay, you don't belong here ether it seems!  Fact is I don't know of any Forum that would put up with this for long . That is  becoming rather apparent now, right Dankie  ;)

What do you think guys? Does this guy "dankie" really belong here, does he seem to just be talking crap and trying to force sell his junk on to everyone? While doing so he might be offsetting what these threads are really about?  Is this eBay ?

Very bad approach dankie. I think that has been made abundantly clear throughout most of the forums you have attacked with your merchandising schem. I think most OU members would agree as well? 

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: Grumpy on January 21, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg



Stan must have insulated the absolute hell out of that wire for it to handle 40kv or even 20kv.

Is that wire annealed?  Permeability goes to crap if it is "as drawn" rather than annealed.

Did you get the .004 he states in his writings? What is that 38 awg? I have some copper 40 awg - it is like human hair.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 21, 2009, 10:33:18 PM
Stan must have insulated the absolute hell out of that wire for it to handle 40kv or even 20kv.

Is that wire annealed?  Permeability goes to crap if it is "as drawn" rather than annealed.

Did you get the .004 he states in his writings? What is that 38 awg? I have some copper 40 awg - it is like human hair.


There is not much potential difference in a coil from each strand to the other .But if you would touch the coil with your fingers then yes there is a big difference betweeen the wire and you .

Yes the wire is annealed as stated in my thread @ waterfuelcell.org
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: dankie on January 23, 2009, 04:29:45 AM
I would like to apologize to Fritz   , I didnt even read what you were saying,  what you say makes perfect sense , sorry I just never read posts anymore on overunity , so sorry ...

Normally I just dont pay attention to what ppl say since ppl just always seem to wanna argue with me  .Clearly you are a diamond in the rough and know much more than me on this subject ...
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
Post by: ronvbnt on April 29, 2014, 01:51:58 AM
I just uploaded video showing spiral spool spinner in [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]operation[/color].<a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0)" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0)</a><br><br><br>If you don't twist the secondary and chokes then you are incapable of following Stans instructions. The primary is a henry coil which could also be twisted but I'd have to go back and re-read the tech-brief before you quote me on that. The new videos show a working tool to make that twisted bifilar pair of secondary and chokes possible. I've given my explanations for why its needed there also.<br><br><br>I hope to contribute to your efforts and see Stan's work given the credit I think it deserves again someday.<br><br><br>Ron