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Author Topic: How big does the gap have to be?  (Read 8039 times)

Mr.Tesla

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How big does the gap have to be?
« on: December 25, 2008, 06:44:27 PM »
Hello!


Well i read in Stanley Meyer that you must step charge the cell untill it reaches catastrophic dielectric faliure.
to get massive of HHO released..

1.) How much voltage does it need to be so it dosen't arc at let say at 30kV?
2.) Is there any formula to calculate that?

 
EDIT> Water dielectric is valued at 80 that is for distiled water.Correct me if am wrong

Mr.Tesla

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2008, 07:51:04 PM »
9 views and no reply?Not being pesimistic but for crying out loud is it that hard?

HeairBear

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2008, 08:09:41 PM »
No current means no arcing. You can go as high of voltage as you like. The closer the gap the better up to around 1mm. Devise your own formula with your own research...

AbbaRue

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2008, 04:59:35 AM »
The problem with this cell that I haven't been able to answer yet.
After the cell is in use for a while impurities will build up inside.
These impurities will form ions in the water that cause the water to become a conductor.
Then the capacitor effect will be greatly hindered.
How do we keep the cell clean and thus the water pure?
This will also greatly effect the distance needed between the plates.

Farlander

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2008, 06:25:59 AM »
This artifact says you need 600V at the 'trodes

Mr.Tesla

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2008, 11:19:12 AM »
The problem with this cell that I haven't been able to answer yet.
After the cell is in use for a while impurities will build up inside.
These impurities will form ions in the water that cause the water to become a conductor.
Then the capacitor effect will be greatly hindered.
How do we keep the cell clean and thus the water pure?
This will also greatly effect the distance needed between the plates.


We keep it clean with pumping in and out the water this way it statys clean.Also put a tank behind the radiator and it also stays cool..in theory.

Mr.Tesla

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2008, 11:21:30 AM »
This artifact says you need 600V at the 'trodes

Very interesting stuff he produced 200LPH>3LPM with 1200Volts @1mA (1.2 Watts).That sounds incredible to me, however the key is resonance.Otherwise this is not possible.

2.)Micro processor thingy seems interesting too however it would be too expensive say the programator and other stuff..i guess it hasnt been done before?

Dave45

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2008, 02:16:08 AM »
speaking of resonance keely heated his metal (stainless) and blasted it with vibrations (42.8khz) as it cooled, this might make the cell resonate easier at the right khz

alan

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2008, 03:17:25 PM »
Very interesting stuff he produced 200LPH>3LPM with 1200Volts @1mA (1.2 Watts).That sounds incredible to me, however the key is resonance.Otherwise this is not possible.

2.)Micro processor thingy seems interesting too however it would be too expensive say the programator and other stuff..i guess it hasnt been done before?
Can be made VERY cheap, do some research on, for instance, atmel uc's.

Dave45

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2008, 03:36:28 AM »

sm0ky2

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Re: How big does the gap have to be?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2008, 05:57:38 AM »
No current means no arcing. You can go as high of voltage as you like.

pure distilled Water will break down at around +/- 90Kv if sufficient charge capacity is maintained.
resistance will drop to 0, current increases infinitely until the charge is dissapated, or the water is completely consumed. This can occur across great distances of water, up to several feet.
 However, this is not the desired result, as much of the liberated gasses will fuse with nitrogen in the air forming NH3  and 'ozone' (O3),  very similar to what happens when lightning strikes water. 

Water with electrolyte will break down at less voltage.    Ideally you want to have 'some resistance'
so HV electrolosys is not the way to go if you want to produce useable hydrogen gas.

Also,. resistance [builds up] as voltage increases up to the breakdown point, making the process less efficient at higher voltages.  Ideally, electrolosys should be performed between 3v-300v
i have seen it done with as little as 1.5v (AA battery w/ pencil leads experiment)
personally i prefer 12-24v from my experience with electrolyzers.

Variable Gap size is the most convenient way of adjusting the current if you plan to use pure water.
  measure it with no current flowing, by connecting an Ohm-meter to the circuit then decreasing gap size until the desired resistance is reached.

Also   -- i've been steering away from "plates",  as i have found that Helix-Coils perform much better
  and they respond more quickly, allowing for higher frequencies