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electricme

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #630 on: July 22, 2009, 04:13:25 AM »
@Jesus,
Thank you @electricme !
You are always welcome !

I will experiment to see if I can make the pulse motor to run just on capacitors. That would be great!

Jesus

Thank you for the most kind remarks, Jesus, its very welcome in this day and age.

I'm sure you will know all this below, I put it here just in case a newbe comes along and needs to know about it.

When using caps, you will have to work out the energy being supplied to fill them, verses the discharge etc etc.
Then there is a little matter of, the Ratios, time to fill verses the amount of voltage and amps.
It seems a cap will fill very fast if you supply it with enough energy, but if you only trickle it in to the cap, it will fill slow.
So how much energy does the circuit need to be self sustaining, will the charging impulse going to the series caps be able to keep up with a constant charge and discharge.

I think it will be a difficult thing to do, but not impossible.

Mabe a range of caps would doo the job, I mean, if you were looking at driving a 12v load from the output, then begin from there and work backwards. Think small first, then make it bigger if you can.

You would need a 16v cap in the middle, try something about 1,000uf or lower.
For the caps either side try 16v and about 10,000uf and higher.
Everything depends on the supply source and the demand

I think when the 3 caps are fully charged, when you take energy from the center cap, as the 2 outer caps are filled, then only the center cap will be filled.

I don't know, but would the energy in either of the outer caps, dribble over or spill over into a lower value cap to help the center cap recharge? after it has had a discharge?
If this occurs, then it would help the recharging process.
I hope you succeed with this Jesus

jim

@Cat, nice tripple neons you got there.

@All
I'm going to take a look at making a series earth cell battery soon, got to read up on this, some people say it is impossible, lets see it this is so or not.

This might be a good source of info, I saw this link on another forum, makes interesting reading.
http://www.4shared.com/file92366887/ad3b1e66/Free_Energy_-_Free_electricity_From_The_Earth.html

hooroo
jim

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #631 on: July 22, 2009, 03:15:57 PM »
Jesus

I'd like to duplicate your set up.

What is the value of D1 and Q1 in your circuit "STEP 3"?

On your motor, what size wire and how many turns each did you use?

What diameter is the coil of your motor?

Thank you,
DonL

Welcome @dllabarre !

D1 = Red LED
Q1 = 3904
Wire size = 30awg
Turns = 700 on each coil
The diameter of the coil is 3.75" pvc
The magnets must be big so they can trigger the transistor If not you need a reed switch or other device to trigger the transistor.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #632 on: July 22, 2009, 03:18:03 PM »
@jeanna

Thank you for the theme change instructions.
Now the machine takes less time to show the page.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #633 on: July 22, 2009, 03:25:15 PM »
@Jesus,
Thank you for the most kind remarks, Jesus, its very welcome in this day and age.

I'm sure you will know all this below, I put it here just in case a newbe comes along and needs to know about it.

When using caps, you will have to work out the energy being supplied to fill them, verses the discharge etc etc.
Then there is a little matter of, the Ratios, time to fill verses the amount of voltage and amps.
It seems a cap will fill very fast if you supply it with enough energy, but if you only trickle it in to the cap, it will fill slow.
So how much energy does the circuit need to be self sustaining, will the charging impulse going to the series caps be able to keep up with a constant charge and discharge.

I think it will be a difficult thing to do, but not impossible.

Mabe a range of caps would doo the job, I mean, if you were looking at driving a 12v load from the output, then begin from there and work backwards. Think small first, then make it bigger if you can.

You would need a 16v cap in the middle, try something about 1,000uf or lower.
For the caps either side try 16v and about 10,000uf and higher.
Everything depends on the supply source and the demand

I think when the 3 caps are fully charged, when you take energy from the center cap, as the 2 outer caps are filled, then only the center cap will be filled.

I don't know, but would the energy in either of the outer caps, dribble over or spill over into a lower value cap to help the center cap recharge? after it has had a discharge?
If this occurs, then it would help the recharging process.
I hope you succeed with this Jesus

jim

@Cat, nice tripple neons you got there.

@All
I'm going to take a look at making a series earth cell battery soon, got to read up on this, some people say it is impossible, lets see it this is so or not.

This might be a good source of info, I saw this link on another forum, makes interesting reading.
http://www.4shared.com/file92366887/ad3b1e66/Free_Energy_-_Free_electricity_From_The_Earth.html

hooroo
jim

My first capacitors try was a failure.
I took three camera flash capacitors and put them in series parallel to the battery pack and waited it to fill.
After a while I retired the battery pack and the motor did stop after 2 to three seconds.

I will experiment some more with the new information.
Remember I am also a newbie.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #634 on: July 22, 2009, 07:46:09 PM »
Jesus:

Try supercaps.  You can get 10 Farad ones pretty cheap, about $6.00 ea.  They fill fast and output only as fast as the load on them demand, like a battery. It has been my contention that you, or Jim (or both) could charge up the caps to start with, and then both run and recharge them at the same time.  But, I believe it will take the use of supercaps.  (My opinion)

Bill

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #635 on: July 22, 2009, 08:11:41 PM »
Hi Bill
 have a look at the thread on super cap's
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7759.msg192833#msg192833
Electric Double Layer Capacitor's
149 products  all the different sizes. and most of the prices and PDF information
http://www.tecategroup.com/ultracapacitors/productfinder.php
cat

jeanna

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #636 on: July 22, 2009, 09:55:50 PM »
have a look at the thread on super cap's
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7759.msg192833#msg192833

Thanks powercat,
I looked down the page a little and found this:

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To answer your question - yes it is possible but, expensive. The formula to figure this out is:

(Vmin + Vmax)/2 * F / 3600 = Ah

Vmin & Vmax - upper and lower voltage. This is the voltage range that your device has to work in. Vmin is the voltage that your device dies at, my GPS stops at 2 volts.

F - Farads

3600 - coulomb, a unit of electrical measure.

Ah - Amp hours (/1000= mAh)
Is this 3600 seconds?

Running the problem backward:

1000Ah * 3600 / 12V = 300,000 Farads

The voltage was for a common 12V battery since you do not specify what voltage you need.
Michael C /UltraCapacitors.org
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This might not be so bad if jesus needs to be in a range of 0.5v-1.6v for 5 minutes?

@jesus
you are welcome. I am glad to hear it has helped.)

jeanna

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #637 on: July 23, 2009, 06:02:23 PM »
Jesus:

Try supercaps.  You can get 10 Farad ones pretty cheap, about $6.00 ea.  They fill fast and output only as fast as the load on them demand, like a battery. It has been my contention that you, or Jim (or both) could charge up the caps to start with, and then both run and recharge them at the same time.  But, I believe it will take the use of supercaps.  (My opinion)

Bill

Thank you @pirate !
As soon as my budget so permits, I will buy at least 4 10F supercaps.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #638 on: July 23, 2009, 06:11:18 PM »
Hi Bill
 have a look at the thread on super cap's
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7759.msg192833#msg192833
Electric Double Layer Capacitor's
149 products  all the different sizes. and most of the prices and PDF information
http://www.tecategroup.com/ultracapacitors/productfinder.php
cat

Thank you @powercat !
The only problem with the super capacitor saler link is that it has a minimum of 10 supercapacitors at $7.50.
That is too expensive for a test.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #639 on: July 23, 2009, 06:39:11 PM »
Thanks powercat,
I looked down the page a little and found this:

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To answer your question - yes it is possible but, expensive. The formula to figure this out is:

(Vmin + Vmax)/2 * F / 3600 = Ah

Vmin & Vmax - upper and lower voltage. This is the voltage range that your device has to work in. Vmin is the voltage that your device dies at, my GPS stops at 2 volts.

F - Farads

3600 - coulomb, a unit of electrical measure.

Ah - Amp hours (/1000= mAh)
Is this 3600 seconds?

Running the problem backward:

1000Ah * 3600 / 12V = 300,000 Farads

The voltage was for a common 12V battery since you do not specify what voltage you need.
Michael C /UltraCapacitors.org
=====

This might not be so bad if jesus needs to be in a range of 0.5v-1.6v for 5 minutes?

@jesus
you are welcome. I am glad to hear it has helped.)

jeanna

Thank you @jeanna !
You know, the forum traffic must be big, because to post these three posts I did, took me a lot of time.

I post one, the machine freezes and says it cant find the server.
I have to rebbot, sign in and post again and the cicle repeats.
It is very tiresome.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #640 on: July 23, 2009, 06:49:45 PM »
Thank you @powercat !
The only problem with the super capacitor saler link is that it has a minimum of 10 supercapacitors at $7.50.
That is too expensive for a test.

Jesus

okay here is another link eBay seller 20 F   these are about £4.50 UK  each
 looks like he's on holiday / Seller Currently Away
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Super-Capacitor-charges-in-seconds-20-Farad-2-5Volt_W0QQitemZ110399029587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item19b44b8153&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #641 on: July 23, 2009, 06:58:22 PM »
okay here is another link eBay seller 20 F   these are about £4.50 UK  each
 looks like he's on holiday / Seller Currently Away
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Super-Capacitor-charges-in-seconds-20-Farad-2-5Volt_W0QQitemZ110399029587QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item19b44b8153&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
cat

Thank you @powercat !

4.5 times 1.62295 = 7.303275
So the price would be 20 cents less with this guy for a bigger capacitor.

Jesus

jadaro2600

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #642 on: July 23, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »
Thank you @powercat !

4.5 times 1.62295 = 7.303275
So the price would be 20 cents less with this guy for a bigger capacitor.

Jesus
Wouldn't making the coil square produce greater fluctuations? ..it's almost like a slot motor.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #643 on: July 24, 2009, 01:05:27 PM »
Wouldn't making the coil square produce greater fluctuations? ..it's almost like a slot motor.

Welcome @jadaro2600

I think that any pulse motor configuration will do, because all work with the same principle of moving the rotor with an electromagnetic pulse.
Just be sure the rotor assembly runs smoothly.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #644 on: July 24, 2009, 11:45:04 PM »
@ Jesus:

Here is where I got most of my smaller supercaps from:  http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/90420-capacitor-ultra-10f-2-7v-radial-eshsr-0010c0-002r7.html

The link is for the 10F model ($3.54 ea.) but they have 25F, 50F 100, whatever you may need.  I got my 650F cap from Gadgetmall. He sells them for about $70.00 I think, which is a good price for the size,  but, in today's economy, that is still a lot of money to me.  It is very well worth it but, money is tight for me now.

Bill