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FluxAmps · « **Reply #570 on:** May 30, 2009, 05:24:02 AM »

Well I keep praying with you Jesus
I'm getting more and more convinced everyday that we are really going to need this thing
and that we are getting so close
It even starts feeling like it's finally allowed? That we can? just go for it?

Did you guys see what comwarrior did with his opto couplers and shit?
To keep the circuits electronicly seperated? cool stuff too...

shubhamforme · « **Reply #571 on:** May 30, 2009, 05:37:01 AM »

hi jesus...
hres my setup pics .... i have tried this recent circuit of yours it does work for the first few seconds but slowly the battery starts to decrease in voltage and never recharges....and i dont got any recharging results yet....
did your battery gets recharge to full capacity....
he only difference to y circuit that i am using a bc337 transistor ad everythings the same... my battery is 12.55v nicd , it gets to 12.67v for first few 5 to 10 seconds and then gradually starts to fall in voltage....no recharging

Quote from: nievesoliveras on May 30, 2009, 01:40:07 AM

@all

Remember this?

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #572 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:20:00 PM »

Quote from: FluxAmps on May 30, 2009, 05:24:02 AM

Well I keep praying with you Jesus
I'm getting more and more convinced everyday that we are really going to need this thing
and that we are getting so close
It even starts feeling like it's finally allowed? That we can? just go for it?

Did you guys see what comwarrior did with his opto couplers and shit?
To keep the circuits electronicly seperated? cool stuff too...

I thought it a long time and I will keep going, maybe a little more slowly but this situation reminds me the story of the man at the water hole on the desert.
There was a pump installed on the place and this man was with his partner pumping to get some water to drink and survive.
After 45 minutes pumping, he quit and his partner jumped quickly and began to pump frenetically saying: My man, you cannot quit now, it is just that the water has a long way to climb to get here and as the story goes, the water began to go out off the pump after only five more minutes of effort.

So according to that lesson, I cannot quit now, it is just that the OU has a long way to climb to the surface, but if I do not keep making at least a little effort, it will go back down and it will be more difficult to start it to climb to the surface again.

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #573 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:42:56 PM »

Quote from: shubhamforme on May 30, 2009, 05:37:01 AM

hi jesus...
hres my setup pics .... i have tried this recent circuit of yours it does work for the first few seconds but slowly the battery starts to decrease in voltage and never recharges....and i dont got any recharging results yet....
did your battery gets recharge to full capacity....

My battery did not get recharged to full capacity but it kept a voltage of 1.08v for four days. When I turned on the LED it went down discharging for a few hours to 0.88v and when I closed the loop with the diode it recharged back to 1.08v again.
Remember that this battery was a damaged battery from a bunch damaged batteries I have.

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he only difference to y circuit that i am using a bc337 transistor ad everythings the same... my battery is 12.55v nicd , it gets to 12.67v for first few 5 to 10 seconds and then gradually starts to fall in voltage....no recharging

You know I have been thinking and I remembered that a loose connection creates a high resistance on the circuit.
So what we need to do here is to add an at least 20k potentiometer to a small base resistor of about 100 ohms and begin to adjust the potentiometer till we find the exact resistance that produces that the LED go out when the Diode is closing the loop and that the LED turn on when the Diode is retired form the circuit. It is easier with a switch.
When the switch is open the light goes on, when the switch is closed the light goes off and the battery begins to recharge.

If you are still interested on getting a self charging joule thief circuit, you should begin to experiment with getting the right resistance to produce the situation explained above.

Forgive me for fleeing ashamed when I discovered that the self charging was a loose connection.

I will stay to the end!

Nice job you did with your joule thief circuit!

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #574 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:59:18 PM »

@all

I need to slowly restart gathering my thoughts and my lab parts and retake the goal I had at the beginning.

I do restart here and now the quest for "The Feedback To The Source".

Jesus

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #575 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:33:56 PM »

Jesus:

I am very glad to see you are not giving up. Hey, if this were easy, everyone would have done it by now. Don't ever give up!

I just had a wild thought. You said that you had a loose connection. On another topic i think you posted that a loose connection has a very high resistance, so, why not place various resistors of increasing value at that connection to see if you can duplicate the effect of the bad connection and see if it works again. This time, you would be able to control it. Just a thought, I may be way off here.

Bill

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #576 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:58:53 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on June 01, 2009, 08:33:56 PM

Jesus:

I am very glad to see you are not giving up. Hey, if this were easy, everyone would have done it by now. Don't ever give up!

I just had a wild thought. You said that you had a loose connection. On another topic i think you posted that a loose connection has a very high resistance, so, why not place various resistors of increasing value at that connection to see if you can duplicate the effect of the bad connection and see if it works again. This time, you would be able to control it. Just a thought, I may be way off here.

Bill

thank you @pirate !

That is the idea I have too. But instead of various resistors I will use a 20k pot or a 50k pot that I have. I bought a multiturn trimmer and it does not trim anything, you can be all day turning it and there will be no change at all.

The trick that must be found here is which leg to put the pot on or is it that both legs must be trimmed.
By the legs I refer to the base and collector legs, the right self charging setup lies between this two coil legs.

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #577 on:** June 03, 2009, 01:44:11 AM »

@all

I will play a little with the self charger to see if I can make it work again.
It should turn the light on when the switch is open and turn the light off when the switch is close.
If for some reason I cannot make it work even after rewounding the toroid coil and building it back step by step as @resonanceman recommended at the "jule thief" topic.

Then I will use the new circuit and see if it works.

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #578 on:** June 04, 2009, 02:25:08 AM »

@all

There is a circuit I posted before that was called:
YES Gate / NOT Gate.

I was trying to wind a new toroid and start again step by step.
Looking for a toroid winding information I stumbled with this circuit again. It is not the one I made as plan B.
Because of the supposed double signal it has I tried it as a test for the switching I needed to accomplish the battery swapper that I am still working on it.

I tested it with the old self charger toroid and the thing began to charge very slowly.

I put a pot as a resistor and the pot did not worked as expected.

I tried a 100k and the self charger charged a litle more very slowly.

I increased the resistance to a 1M resistor with colors black, brown and green and it is charging as it was when the connection was loose.

So the changes were:
Adding a red led between the emitter and ground and a 1M resistor from the coil to the transistor base.

Does anybody want to verify this?

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #579 on:** June 04, 2009, 03:29:40 PM »

@all

Testing and retesting the self charger circuit, I found that its work can be disrupted by anything.

Also the quantity of charge produced is so small that I have not been able to find a good use to it.

I will try to get something better that can be used as a feedback to the source.

As for example the battery switcher commutator.

Jesus

Mk1 · « **Reply #580 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:55:39 AM »

@Jesus

I have something for you !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVDt9MbaKE

And this one !

I hope this will help !

Charge a cap to 80 volts light the neon trigger the triac pulse the battery at high amp.

Keep the good work !

Mark

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #581 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:03:04 PM »

Quote from: Mk1 on June 11, 2009, 04:55:39 AM

@Jesus

I have something for you !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVDt9MbaKE

And this one !

I hope this will help !

Charge a cap to 80 volts light the neon trigger the triac pulse the battery at high amp.

Keep the good work !

Mark

Thank you @mk1 !

Have you replicated it already?
If so, did it self charge?

I have tried so many self chargers and all have failed.
Even my self charger fails.

I will give it a try as soon as I can.
Things has gotten tough around me lately.

Jesus

Mk1 · « **Reply #582 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:50:38 PM »

@ jesus

I have found those 2 last night, the drawing is from energetic forum, and the video youtube dated at second of June. So i did not have time to work on it or get a triac. I believe the one one the video to be the most interesting one. Capturing bemf with a automatic discharge system , new stuff , a bedini thief , i assume it should be as good . But that said , i must confess i think charging a battery is a waist of time , It just doesn't work efficiently like charging a super cap.

I guess what i like is the load releasing system with a neon and triac .

Mark

guruji · « **Reply #583 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:12:50 PM »

Hi guys in this forum gadetmall posted this schematic. Can anyone explain me these components please especiallly where there is FSMR parts cause I need to build a battery swapper?
Thanks

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #584 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:15:41 PM »

Quote from: Mk1 on June 11, 2009, 06:50:38 PM

@ jesus

I have found those 2 last night, the drawing is from energetic forum, and the video youtube dated at second of June. So i did not have time to work on it or get a triac. I believe the one one the video to be the most interesting one. Capturing bemf with a automatic discharge system , new stuff , a bedini thief , i assume it should be as good . But that said , i must confess i think charging a battery is a waist of time , It just doesn't work efficiently like charging a super cap.

I guess what i like is the load releasing system with a neon and triac .

Mark

Thank you @mk1 !

Jesus

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