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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #390 on: March 14, 2009, 07:48:32 PM »
Jesus:

You are getting close.  You will get there.  Take a few days break from your work and come back with a fresh angle.  It usually works for me.  I suddenly wake up in the middle of the night with the answer only after I stop looking so hard for it.

I have said this elsewhere but, I think the answer lies in a combination of Newman, Bedini, Joule Thief, Tesla, Stubblefield and possibly a few other type devices.  It is the correct combination that will do it.  That is why I have been systematically learning all of these technologies. (or trying to)  Oh yes, and the answer will also involve supercaps.  Trust me on this because I don't know enough to be able to explain why at the moment.  Keep up your wonderful research Jesus.

Bill

Thank you @pirate!
You always give positive advice.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #391 on: March 14, 2009, 07:57:16 PM »
@nievesoliveras,

It appears that you have a radial array of egg-shaped coils.

If each coil were to emit electromagnetic waves, these waves would be distorted.  Although this may not be of your design or direction; it may be interesting to note an idea I posted a few weeks ago.  I'll quote myself from another thread here, and you can make what you will of it.  This passage is alluding to resonance and wind chimes.

If you have a polar array of coils, each emitting pulses of electromagnetic radiation ( RF, or AM waves, etc. ) ..their fields will be both constructive and destructive in certain places.  Walter Lewin of MIT gives a good explanation of nodal lines ( hyperbolic destructive waveforms ) in his 33rd video lecture on electricity and magnetism at 11 minutes and 30 seconds into the video. ..if you would like to see the math, just watch the beginning of the lecture.  Here's a link:  http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-02Electricity-and-MagnetismSpring2002/VideoAndCaptions/detail/embed33.htm

So if you read the previous quote, and then watch the video, disregard the quote and think about this...

If you place your coils in particular places and induce resonance - there will be physical locations where any pickup coils will be more apt to receive constructive waves and some places more apt to be null.  In these circumstances, the number of coils adds to the chaos in the local magnetic field.

It will be as the thread title suggests: feedback to source - but it may be destructive.  After reading back a little in the thread, it looks like you're trying to create a pulse stepper motor.  My post may be of little relevance.


Thank you @jadaro

That posted photo is not my project, I found it last year and used it to ask a question.
At this moment almost all my projects do not want to work for some unknown reason. My toroids quit working. I will take @pirate's advice and take a rest from my work for a few days.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #392 on: March 14, 2009, 08:06:20 PM »
Jadaro,
Do you mean something like this?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6967.msg163479#msg163479



Thank you @ahuramazda!

Those coil that @sirhoax presented on that video give inspiration.

Jesus

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #393 on: March 14, 2009, 08:18:20 PM »
Right, it's something I've been pondering after working with the joule thief circuit.

Thank you @jadaro
I bought a small wind turbine kit a while ago and there was no wind to make it run so I began this search. Also I used the wind turbine's stator with a Bedini motor and an alternator rectifier.
The wind turbine use to give 3volts with a fan blowing at it. Its stator with the Bedini motor running it, use to give 5volts.

I tried to make it give 12volts by building a new stator following the same pattern of the other and it was very difficult to not break it while trying to wind the amount of wire found to be needed by a formula.

By the way my brother Franky built a wind turbine from scratch and he claims that it is working perfectly well on his house backyard. I have not seen it. But I believe him because he is a truthful person.

The point is that with a joule thief pulse motor I get more voltage out than with the other two. And if I get to understand well the @mk1 toroid idea and get it to work, he claims that it gives more than 100volts. So I think that that must be the direction to take and mix it with all the other things as @pirate stated on his post.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #394 on: March 15, 2009, 04:40:04 AM »

 Sketch of how to build you own over-unity generator.

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #395 on: March 15, 2009, 03:11:30 PM »
Sketch of how to build you own over-unity generator.


Thank you @lumen!

That is a good idea. But I cant see the point.
Could you be more specific?

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #396 on: March 15, 2009, 03:16:00 PM »
@all

You know that my goal still is the feedback to the source.
I saw two photos of a homemade 1N34 replacement called the cat whisker.

I thought that that, if it works according as stated, could be used to aid the source at keeping charged.

The photos follow:

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #397 on: March 15, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »
@all

I replicated the device and my question is:
Which side is the cathode?

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #398 on: March 15, 2009, 03:35:08 PM »
I suppose I should give a little better description of how this works.

This is the process:
1: Magnet approaches iron core (no resistance because the diode to the load allows no load on the coil in that direction)
2: Magnet passes coil to center of iron core where the polarity change in the iron core starts and the voltage in the coil changes direction.
3: With no load on coil the iron fully changes polarity and causes  an attraction as it leaves the iron ( the same pull as when it entered the iron)
4: With load on the coil the polarity change is resisted (lenz law) and the iron does not change polarity fully allowing the magnet to leave the iron with less force that when it entered the iron.

This is true!

It is actually simple to understand once you see it.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #399 on: March 15, 2009, 03:46:52 PM »
I suppose I should give a little better description of how this works.

This is the process:
1: Magnet approaches iron core (no resistance because the diode to the load allows no load on the coil in that direction)
2: Magnet passes coil to center of iron core where the polarity change in the iron core starts and the voltage in the coil changes direction.
3: With no load on coil the iron fully changes polarity and causes  an attraction as it leaves the iron ( the same pull as when it entered the iron)
4: With load on the coil the polarity change is resisted (lenz law) and the iron does not change polarity fully allowing the magnet to leave the iron with less force that when it entered the iron.

This is true!

It is actually simple to understand once you see it.


That explanation sounds correct, but only testing it will have the last word on it.
Keep experimenting with it and keep us informed of the results you get with your idea.
If comes out that your idea is the way to go and get the feedback needed I will follow it.

Now I am trying to get energy from the air and use it somehow to aid the joule thief pulse motor to stay alive until the battery fails and die.
Also the results I will have must be disassembled and reassembled again and still do the same results. It must be like that in order that the other members can replicate it with the same results.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #400 on: March 16, 2009, 06:08:06 PM »
@all

According to this schematic I found on a search. The blade occupies the place of the galena rock. So it is very possible that the blade goes on the direction depicted here.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #401 on: March 16, 2009, 06:35:01 PM »
@ Jesus:

I have read somewhere that you need a special type (old style) earphone which works on low input.  Something about the way they used to make them works well with these units.  As I said, I don't know for sure, just read it.

Here is a link to my Bedini replication on youtube.  It is not feedback to source.....yet, but I am going to work on that now that it is up and running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRO8Pdh35bA

Bill

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #402 on: March 16, 2009, 06:37:49 PM »
Jesus:

Here is a link to a site where I read about the pizo earphones being required.

http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/homemade_radio.html

This guy has a great site and once you are there on the link page I sent you to, look around.  He has many working designs for crystal radios as well as other cool projects.  I hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #403 on: March 16, 2009, 06:57:15 PM »
Thank you @pirate !

I saw your video and the motor while is spinning gives the sensation that it is not moving at all.
Nice job!!!

Thank you for the radio link.

On the Radio Shack electronic lab I have, there is an earphone included that will be used to build some kind of ant hearing device or something. That earphone is just as the one needed for the crystal radio.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #404 on: March 16, 2009, 07:12:19 PM »
@pirate

When I visited the radio link, I noticed that this was the site where I took the first blade diode from. I had lost the link. Thank you for giving it back to me.

Jesus