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Low-Q

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #360 on: February 25, 2009, 11:01:09 PM »
Hi,

If you spread 7 coils with (360o / 7)o apart, you will get less cogging, and smoother run of the rotor as the 8 mangets on the disc will never pass all coils at the same time. Then you can also let all the coils be connected in series electrically, so you need only one rectifier.

I can make a drawing. But it's late now so I will see if I can do that tomorrow some time.

br.

Vidar

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #361 on: February 25, 2009, 11:21:32 PM »
Hi,

If you spread 7 coils with (360o / 7)o apart, you will get less cogging, and smoother run of the rotor as the 8 mangets on the disc will never pass all coils at the same time. Then you can also let all the coils be connected in series electrically, so you need only one rectifier.

I can make a drawing. But it's late now so I will see if I can do that tomorrow some time.

br.

Vidar

Thank you @lowq
You are welcome!

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #362 on: February 26, 2009, 02:11:03 PM »
A setup like this:

It is not as I previously said, but the main thing is to connect the coils in series. If you have the same timing on the coils, the voltage peak will be greater compared to the loss in the rectifier. This will enhance the efficiency related to voltage - so to speak. But remember that the current flowing through the coils will counterforce the rotation as you are trying to run something with this generator - according to Lenz law. This something is the motor running the flywheel, so the motor will get feedback from the coils, so the break will be reduced. The question is now: How much break is it compared to the energy supplied from the coils to the motor? If the motor determind this energy amount, as it is actually the motor that is supposed to run the flywheel, it is naturally to think that the losses through the coils, rectifier, friction and so on, will eventually halt the system. You never know before you try :)

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #363 on: February 26, 2009, 02:26:18 PM »
A setup like this:

It is not as I previously said, but the main thing is to connect the coils in series. If you have th same timing on the coils, the voltage peak will be greater compared to the loss in the rectifier. This will enhance the efficiency related to voltage - so to speak.


That is a good possibility!
My question is: Will it not generate too much high voltage for just one rectifier to handle it?
I mean each coil in series could amplify the previous voltage.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #364 on: February 26, 2009, 11:00:26 PM »
@all

I personally think that only one bridge won't work, because the voltage has to go trough the other coils , and that will create back push in the other coils.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #365 on: February 26, 2009, 11:28:39 PM »
@all

I personally think that only one bridge won't work, because the voltage has to go trough the other coils , and that will create back push in the other coils.

Thank you @mk1 !

I thought that the rectifier was going to be blown up.
But maybe it will not develop so much high voltage at all.
The only way to know is to build one and experiment with it.

For me it is too expensive now.

By the way, did I mention that the source batteries used to run my pulse motor became almost completetely depleted of any voltage reading after standing unused for a while?

One of them reads .01 volt the other one reads .36 and does not accept any recharging, but if you connect it to the toroid with a led and place another damaged battery parallel for some seconds and retire this second battery, the original battery works for about 5 minutes and dies again.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #366 on: February 27, 2009, 05:34:42 AM »
@plengo

I have to get some courage to disconnect the charging batteries from the circuit and take some photos. I am afraid that the motor stop and never again work. As the fan charger I built last year.

When I got the courage to stop the pulse motor I will take some photos. Or wait till I can buy some new batteries and leave that motor running without disturbing it.

It is that is so fulfilling to see the motor with the charging batteries slowly fluctuating between 4.43 volts and 4.49 volts while keeping the source parallel batteries fluctuating between .35 volts and .36 volts.

On the meantime be pleased with this schematic with the charging batteries on their right place.

By the way, the photo maybe will not be that sophisticated, it is the same motor with some changes on it.

I will read the camera instructions to see if it can be used with the computer to take photos without having to buy a new pack of batteries. 

Thank you to all well wishers !!!

Jesus
Nieves Can you try a simple experiment . Place a capacitor across your charging batteries . parallel to them . this should increase the current from the bemf .
Al

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #367 on: February 27, 2009, 09:50:21 AM »
hello friends!

i think i have a better way, to get (3 to 5 times) more power from the small coils!

we should think to a function of a transformer; transformers have a efficiency > 95% (often).
but a transformer use 50 times per second a field whos changed - N . S . N . S.
in the drawings on the top postings, the coils use just one pole - from the magnetes on the disk / rotor. THIS is inefficient!

you have to use diametral magnetes!! so you have two poles!

use coils from a relay, use the U ironcore!

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #368 on: February 27, 2009, 12:06:41 PM »
Nieves Can you try a simple experiment . Place a capacitor across your charging batteries . parallel to them . this should increase the current from the bemf .
Al

I did it already.
I made the LED suggested circuit and the batteries stopped charging at 2.38v. I tried to make the camera work with those batteries and they only turn on the camera for one or two seconds and then it turns off. But this time you can repeat the turning on and itself turning off at leas three times.

The running battery with the special led feedback stopped working. If you touch the battery led with the other batteries wire for just a second it start the special led again for about 5 minutes and then dies. Even though the voltage of the source battery is the same as yesterday (0.48v).

This is crazy and tiresome.

I will change the circuit again to have 2 toroids instead of one toroid with a secondary. One toroid will exclusively be the source with the 0.48v battery. The other toroid will be the battery charger or the pulse motor driver.

I repent of have stopped the motor when it was working and do some other experiments just to prove that it was keeping itself running.

But a motor for to be useful, it needs to be able to be turned on and off, disassembled and assembled and work each time.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #369 on: February 27, 2009, 12:21:03 PM »
hello friends!

i think i have a better way, to get (3 to 5 times) more power from the small coils!

we should think to a function of a transformer; transformers have a efficiency > 95% (often).
but a transformer use 50 times per second a field whos changed - N . S . N . S.
in the drawings on the top postings, the coils use just one pole - from the magnetes on the disk / rotor. THIS is inefficient!

you have to use diametral magnetes!! so you have two poles!

use coils from a relay, use the U ironcore!

Thank you @multiuser !
There is also one coil configuration that uses the U shape but without the iron core.
This is the link. Maybe you can mix the ideas and widen your knowledge in order to attain a succesful self running generator.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6727.0

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #370 on: February 27, 2009, 12:38:13 PM »
@all

I have been posting some information that will be useful on the long run as reference. Here is a composition of the oscillators using a 555 IC.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #371 on: March 02, 2009, 05:57:53 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !
I am NOT a Physics Leviathan arising with my Elder Times Chalk-board & Formulas Pergament Rolls for to to shout against New Times Novel Ideas..........instead I really aim for to EN-courage about various Aspects of Researching in OU !!

Apropos about Electronics IC-"Timers" : the Elder Bipolar Based "555" is NOT "equivalent" in ALL Properties to the Newer MosFet-Based 7555........!!(Also when the duo Timer , the Quadro-Timer-Layouts,etc)

The suggested Circuit in Primo These Discussions-Rounds : 1.5 volts running......is a Common Blocking-Oscillator (2N4401) Stepping-UP-voltage as delivering through rather small-currents/voltages 1N60 to the "STEP/PULSE/SERVO-Motor"-Circuits-Part (2N2222) a suitable "running-voltages-supply"......the 2N2222-Circuits-Part THEN just is about a"rotating"-Permanentes-Magnetes-Rod (as simplified) when starting "turning" around makes a SELF-on-off-steering-action per "feedback"-winding , while "power-feeding"-winding "delivers" the required "pulsed" H-field "automatically" synchronized to the Present Times Rod´s Positions to the Windings........!!
IF NOT THE "PULSE-MOTOR" IS MOST ESPECIALLY DESIGNED , THEN THE ALL OF CIRCUITS-PARTS "HARDLY" MIGHT DELIVER OU........THOUGH IS IT AT ALL CLAIMED IN THE TOPIC AND THE REPLIES TEXTES TO COULD DELIVER OU  !!
Of course shall also such suggested Ideas be discussed about like i.e. the suggested IDewa of the Topic !
THanks about the suggested Idea brought for Discussions !
Might there kindly again be hinted about , that the VERY "OU-Action" might "have" to be about ESPECIALLY THEIRIZED/LAYOUT-ed  IR-REGULAR Transformers , Electro-Motors / Electro-GEnerators , etc.........!!

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and fruitfull OU-researchings-Results , for You All DO participate in & contribute so hardlabored to the Honoured Course of OU  !!



nievesoliveras

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« Reply #372 on: March 04, 2009, 01:08:31 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !
I am NOT a Physics Leviathan arising with my Elder Times Chalk-board & Formulas Pergament Rolls for to to shout against New Times Novel Ideas..........instead I really aim for to EN-courage about various Aspects of Researching in OU !!

Apropos about Electronics IC-"Timers" : the Elder Bipolar Based "555" is NOT "equivalent" in ALL Properties to the Newer MosFet-Based 7555........!!(Also when the duo Timer , the Quadro-Timer-Layouts,etc)

The suggested Circuit in Primo These Discussions-Rounds : 1.5 volts running......is a Common Blocking-Oscillator (2N4401) Stepping-UP-voltage as delivering through rather small-currents/voltages 1N60 to the "STEP/PULSE/SERVO-Motor"-Circuits-Part (2N2222) a suitable "running-voltages-supply"......the 2N2222-Circuits-Part THEN just is about a"rotating"-Permanentes-Magnetes-Rod (as simplified) when starting "turning" around makes a SELF-on-off-steering-action per "feedback"-winding , while "power-feeding"-winding "delivers" the required "pulsed" H-field "automatically" synchronized to the Present Times Rod´s Positions to the Windings........!!
IF NOT THE "PULSE-MOTOR" IS MOST ESPECIALLY DESIGNED , THEN THE ALL OF CIRCUITS-PARTS "HARDLY" MIGHT DELIVER OU........THOUGH IS IT AT ALL CLAIMED IN THE TOPIC AND THE REPLIES TEXTES TO COULD DELIVER OU  !!
Of course shall also such suggested Ideas be discussed about like i.e. the suggested IDewa of the Topic !
THanks about the suggested Idea brought for Discussions !
Might there kindly again be hinted about , that the VERY "OU-Action" might "have" to be about ESPECIALLY THEIRIZED/LAYOUT-ed  IR-REGULAR Transformers , Electro-Motors / Electro-GEnerators , etc.........!!

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and fruitfull OU-researchings-Results , for You All DO participate in & contribute so hardlabored to the Honoured Course of OU  !!


First I wish to say that my machine first lost internet connection, Then began saying when rebooted that the hard disk did not exist.
Then it began to sound a beep at regular intervals, after a while it began to sound a continuous beep and that was it for the machine.

It took me a long time to save the harddisk's information with another machine and to install another motherboard. I must mention here that for to get the internet working again was a real hard job. After I got the internet working I had to download the motherboard drivers and they were incomplete. The motherboard is a used motherboard I bougth long time ago on ebay.

I must now begin to read all the information that has been posted in all the threads I am following now and hope that my machine does not do the same thing again.

@newton2

Thank you! And
Welcome to the OU forum !

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #373 on: March 06, 2009, 03:14:04 AM »
@all

Forgive me for not being helping you lately. I have been having internet connection problems after the motherboard change.

Jesus

nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #374 on: March 09, 2009, 12:56:45 AM »
@all

Here is another circuit that I am testing for a feed back to the source. It makes the source battery to last longer,

Jesus