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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #345 on: February 23, 2009, 05:41:00 PM »
Hi,

How did you came up with the bifilar, aluminumfoil covered toroid wire?

Did you meant that the source battery voltage is fluctating, or is the voltage fluctating up and down between the source battery and the charged battery?

It is great that you can charge a battery from a sourche which is not decharging (It will keep me awake for a few nights thinking on how this is possible). So if you place a volt meter over the 1,5V battery, it will read 1,5V for two days straight without sign of voltage drop while you are charging the other battery (Unless the source voltage is fluctating)?

Can you place an amp-meter in series with the source battery, and do the same with the charging battery? Just to see how much amps there is flowing through these two batteries (Considered the knowledge about the voltage over each battery). If you have an "average-switch" on the two meters, you can for a period of time see the average current drawn from the source, and the current which is charging the other battery.

If you have time, you can also make a watt-meter. You can find these analog "bulk" meters on ebay or something. The needle in this analog meter is driven by an electromagnet in stead of the moving magnet you find on analog amp, or volt meters. The stator is also an electromagnet (As usual). So you will never read any values unless you have input on both electromagnets. Basicly it is both an amp-meter and volt-meter in one operation - also with at least three wires for measuring both amps and voltage at the same time. The scale is therefor logarithmic. Perfect for reading the power in true-time.

I hope you don't think I'm fooling now. I'm serious about these questions and ideas.

Br.

Vidar

It does seem correct. Just remember to take one bare wire from one side and one covered wire from the other side and join them. That is the joule thief center tap. There should be one bare and one covered left. It is just as a bifilar joule thief toroid coil as your drawing.

That cable you show on your link is not the one I used but if it has bifilar strands inside it can be used.

The one I used was taken from the cable that comes from the source power of the house to a monitor. When I opened the discarded monitor there was three aluminum wires around a long toroid and I saw that the cables were comming from the cable mentioned.

That was what turned on my inventor's mind. I asked myself, what would happen if I built a toroid coil with it, and the rest is history thanks to @pirate's counseling about the battery conditioning needed....

Jesus

You simply are not reading the thread.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #346 on: February 23, 2009, 05:44:13 PM »
@all

Because we are going to use super capacitors eventually, I got this information about them.
I will post it here for later reference.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #347 on: February 24, 2009, 03:02:28 AM »
@all

I found this circuit interesting. I will include it here as a possible self runner. The inventor claims that it produces its own power and feeds it back on a loop. I think that it deserves a try.
It is a joule thief coil circuit, divided onto two coils. I mean a two coil joule thief. Instead of the bifilar coil, it has the same connection with separated coils. It uses no battery is the claim the author has.

There is a lego version that says that it is not true.
Does anyone has done it?

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #348 on: February 24, 2009, 11:11:30 AM »
@all

I found this circuit interesting. I will include it here as a possible self runner. The inventor claims that it produces its own power and feeds it back on a loop. I think that it deserves a try.
It is a joule thief coil circuit, divided onto two coils. I mean a two coil joule thief. Instead of the bifilar coil, it has the same connection with separated coils. It uses no battery is the claim the author has.

There is a lego version that says that it is not true.
Does anyone has done it?

Jesus

Jesus,
Just a thought: leave out the transistor and resistors, simply connect the two coils one to one with the right polarity and align the two coils in the right way (90 degrees +/- a correction to solve timing)

Question: what will happen when one uses different coil values ? Nice puzzle...... ;D

Such a construction starts to look like a coil version of the WipMag motor by the way  ;D
Maybe we should start a separate discussion thread on this
« Last Edit: February 24, 2009, 12:26:41 PM by robbie47 »

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #349 on: February 24, 2009, 12:37:07 PM »
Jesus,
Just a thought: leave out the transistor and resistors, simply connect the two coils one to one with the right polarity and align the two coils in the right way (90 degrees +/- a correction to solve timing)

Question: what will happen when one uses different coil values ? Nice puzzle...... ;D

Such a construction starts to look like a coil version of the WipMag motor by the way  ;D
Maybe we should start a separate discussion thread on this

Thank you @robbie47.

There is a topic about this already!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6829.0

There is one member at the end called @vince that did one without the resistors, only the transistor. He needs our help. Lets see if we can help him with positive counseling and ideas to see if we can solve the problem that the coils does not generate enough voltage and current to activate the transistor.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #350 on: February 24, 2009, 01:06:26 PM »
@all

There is a problem with my 1.5v runner and it is that the circuit charges the batteries, but the batteries charged by it cannot be put to work. I mean if you want to run something with it the batteries fail and loose the voltage.
If you check them with a meter after the test, they have good voltage though.

That is why I am exploring with other circuits and with the magnetic loops.
If I can find the answer for my circuit problem, I will post it for everybody to benefit from it.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #351 on: February 24, 2009, 02:03:22 PM »

Sorry you've suffered a setback jesus...I was afraid of that, as that is what happened to my little charging circuit of last year.

Maybe you could still get some mileage out of the circuit if you substituted the falsely charged battery with a joule thief ?

Best of luck.

Regards...


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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #352 on: February 24, 2009, 03:39:54 PM »
Hmm... Jesus, perhaps you are experiencing effects from
what Bearden referred to as "4-space Dirac sea hole current",
also referred to by Bedini as "negative energy spike"?
In his book "Energy from the Vacuum" Bearden describes this
"negative energy" as actual electron deficiencies in the Dirac sea,
somewhat like the electron deficiencies aka "holes" in classic
semiconductor theory.
According to Beardens theory, such "Dirac sea holes" do
attract electrons as if they were normal "holes" in the conductor,
but instead of "holes" in the conductor they are "holes" in spacetime
and evaporate soon after the negative energy spike was collected.
They also annihilate when they come in contact with real electrons,
destroying the electrical charges and "the dipole" as Bearden calls it.
So if a setup produces such "negative energy spikes", this
negative energy can be utilised as positive potential pulses, but it
should not be used directly as such.
Rather, Bearden offers a solution where a capacitor is used to temporarily
store the positive potential spike, at which time the positive potential
will electrostatically induce a negative charge on the secondary capacitor
plate. Soon after this, the positive potential will evaporate back into 4D space
and this will also release the electrons that have accumulated on the secondary
plate.
By using two capacitors and a rectifying diode bridge, we can seperate the
electron flow which we want to tap for output from the pulses of negative
energy that we can't use as real current, while maintaining this capacitive
coupling, and utilising the pulse nature of the negative energy spikes to
power the "electron pump" (= rectifier bridge).
This is what you see Bedini do in just about every motor/charger too;
he just about always uses such a setup to "collect the radiant energy".

So perhaps you could try implementing such a negative energy "rectifier"?
Perhaps that would allow you to actually fill the batteries with real electrons
and not a temporary, unstable, quasi-4D charge that appears to disappear
when you hook up circuits that need real electrons to flow...?

I'm just thinking aloud, hoping that it is of some help here... ;)

regards,
Koen

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #353 on: February 24, 2009, 04:21:15 PM »
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By using two capacitors and a rectifying diode bridge, we can seperate the
electron flow which we want to tap for output from the pulses of negative
energy that we can't use as real current, while maintaining this capacitive
coupling, and utilising the pulse nature of the negative energy spikes to
power the "electron pump" (= rectifier bridge).
This is what you see Bedini do in just about every motor/charger too;
he just about always uses such a setup to "collect the radiant energy".

So perhaps you could try implementing such a negative energy "rectifier"?
Perhaps that would allow you to actually fill the batteries with real electrons
and not a temporary, unstable, quasi-4D charge that appears to disappear
when you hook up circuits that need real electrons to flow...?

I'm just thinking aloud, hoping that it is of some help here... ;)

regards,
Koen

Thanks @koen1 !

That sound very interesting.

I have a problem with the instructions in words. To understand something well, I need a schematic. Do you have any schematic that shows the two capacitors connected to the rectifier?
I would appreciate it very much.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #354 on: February 24, 2009, 04:23:30 PM »
Sorry you've suffered a setback jesus...I was afraid of that, as that is what happened to my little charging circuit of last year.

Maybe you could still get some mileage out of the circuit if you substituted the falsely charged battery with a joule thief ?

Best of luck.

Regards...



Sorry. I did not see this one.

You mean to use 2 joule thieves. One feeding the other in series?

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #355 on: February 24, 2009, 06:18:33 PM »
@Jesus:

Ok, I shall try to make it clear. It is actually quite simple, but here's a little picture.
It was ripped from a rough schematic, so it doesn't look very pretty. ;)

I have put the letters A,B,C and D in the pic for clarity.
Let's say the output wires are connected to the caps at points A and C.
Let's say the "negative energy" positive potential spike arrives at A.
Now that cap's secondary plate, B, will "feel" the positive potential
and it will accumulate negative potential in the form of electrons that
are pulled from the rectifier bridge. This causes that same number or electrons
to flow through the rectifier and this is a real electron flow and can
be used as such.
This will also cause the plate D to lose electrons, becoming positively charged
in respect to C, and C will accumulate electrons from the main circuit.
When the "negative energy" positive potential on plate A evaporates back
into spacetime, the electrons on plate B no longer "feel" the electrostatic
attraction, and "lose their grip" on the plate, they start to leave the plate
and flow back into the rectifier circuit.
With each "stroke" of this "electron pump", that is, with each positive potential spike,
electrons are "sucked into" plate B and when the positive spike has gone,
they are released again. This basically "pumps" the elecrons around the
DC circuit that consists of the rectifier bridge's positive and negative wire terminals.

It is basically identical to using normal (non-4D, not negative energy but rather the normal
absence of energy that is normal "holes") positive potential in such a pulsed capacitive
coupling with a rectifier bridge, the only real difference is the peculiar form of potential
that is "radiant energy" or "negative energy" or "Dirac sea holes".
Plus of course that, according to Bearden, just about every steep voltage gradient will
cause a brief moment in which the symmetry of space, time and energy is broken
and the negative energy pulse lags behind the positive energy pulse somewhat, just
long enough to be used to power such a rectifier bridge.
And that is then just extra output energy.

Sorry for the text again... Hope it is clear?
If not, you can always send me a pm with specific questions. :)

Kind regards,
Koen


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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #356 on: February 24, 2009, 08:42:02 PM »
@koen1

Can two number 104 ceramic capacitors be used?
Or the capacitors have to be with big capacitance and electrolitic?

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #357 on: February 24, 2009, 10:11:38 PM »
@all

There is a problem with my 1.5v runner and it is that the circuit charges the batteries, but the batteries charged by it cannot be put to work. I mean if you want to run something with it the batteries fail and loose the voltage.
If you check them with a meter after the test, they have good voltage though.

That is why I am exploring with other circuits and with the magnetic loops.
If I can find the answer for my circuit problem, I will post it for everybody to benefit from it.

Jesus

Now that you have opened the door and peeked in you must enter the space which invites with open arms.

Not too many of us here have gotten the RE generation. This why those that have not built cannot say.

You now have what Tesla achieved and reported in numerious patents and fashions. Keep on pushin'.

The standard electronics and physics learning has an idea what this frontier holds but no idea as what the key of the RE from BEMF from Resonance holds.

I followed what Tesla's patent stated with standard learning. I had no idea the eruptions of energy that would spew from simple copper windings. I, at no time, looked at what Telsa did with trepidation, fear, misunderstanding or prejudice.
What you did was good. Use that talent that is your gift and excel. After I got what I didn't expect I then went on a new journey to search for answers that the standards have no clue about and that happens after the Eureka moment. Now you can look at the world with a different eye that not too many men see through.

For those who haven't built yet I encourage you to do so. Otherwise your bus ride stops just short of the finish line. Like here.

Take this escapade here and apply it to Timothy Trapp. His configuration is a variation of the Ionizer with a motor in it. Doesn't certain Tesla coils have a rotary spark gap? How's that for a treat?

Now ya'll can stop wadin' in the shallows and hit the white water.

--giantkiller. There are no failures. Only experiences. Make them great and hold them dearly.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #358 on: February 24, 2009, 11:45:26 PM »
Now that you have opened the door and peeked in you must enter the space which invites with open arms.

Not too many of us here have gotten the RE generation. This why those that have not built cannot say.

You now have what Tesla achieved and reported in numerious patents and fashions. Keep on pushin'.

The standard electronics and physics learning has an idea what this frontier holds but no idea as what the key of the RE from BEMF from Resonance holds.

I followed what Tesla's patent stated with standard learning. I had no idea the eruptions of energy that would spew from simple copper windings. I, at no time, looked at what Telsa did with trepidation, fear, misunderstanding or prejudice.
What you did was good. Use that talent that is your gift and excel. After I got what I didn't expect I then went on a new journey to search for answers that the standards have no clue about and that happens after the Eureka moment. Now you can look at the world with a different eye that not too many men see through.

For those who haven't built yet I encourage you to do so. Otherwise your bus ride stops just short of the finish line. Like here.

Take this escapade here and apply it to Timothy Trapp. His configuration is a variation of the Ionizer with a motor in it. Doesn't certain Tesla coils have a rotary spark gap? How's that for a treat?

Now ya'll can stop wadin' in the shallows and hit the white water.

--giantkiller. There are no failures. Only experiences. Make them great and hold them dearly.

Thanks @giantkiller !

Those words are a little out of my league and difficult to understand, but comming from you, I know that it is something good.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #359 on: February 25, 2009, 03:17:38 PM »
@all

You all know that my drive is the feedback to the source.

There is one diagram made by @thedaftman that he shares with everybody about a possible selfrunner.

Selfrunner means to me that it gives feedback to the source, so it belongs on this thread too.

I posted my version of it back on this thread pages. But this one looks better!!

Jesus