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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #330 on: February 22, 2009, 11:59:38 PM »
tropes, Low-Q
I agree with you. It’s open source, and everyone have rites to speak. They yelling “eureka” and “selfrunnind” based on nothing. I’ve built all these concepts and designs and none of it is FE or OU or SR (selfrunning), but just regular transformers and pulse chargers which one can find on stores’ shelves.
But if it makes them happy, why to argue?
Just do your own stuff…
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #331 on: February 23, 2009, 12:56:30 AM »
@gadgetmall

You and @pirate are truly good friends when a friend is needed!!!!!!

@lowq
thank you for your participation on this thread.

@tropes
Thank you for your participation on this thread.

@light
thank you for your participation on this thread.

I want to say something.
I was asking myself why a forum member named Dr. Stffler was so mad.
Now that I have attained some level of success I know why.

Are you aware that I can lock this topic and nobody can post in it?

From now on, if you are not replicating my work or contributing with constructive ideas the only answer you will get is:
@Your name here:  thank you for your participation on this thread.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #332 on: February 23, 2009, 01:35:05 AM »
@ nievesoliveras

Today I am trying to replicate your great work but I am having some difficulty with the coil, which is the heart of your design. On the schematics I see that you have a 16 turns and 13 turns. Is the 16 the one with the aluminum and the 13 with the enameled wire? and Is the aluminum going to the collector and  and the base of the transistor?
Yes, you got it right!

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Is the enameled connect how?
The enameled wire 13 turns of it in my case is wounded as a single winding. The two legs of the wire go to the rectifier.
It is not really needed. But it helps.
What I did was what @jeanna did with her joule thief coil.

You turn the motor with the joule thief circuit and the 4 charging batteries in place. Then you take 16 inches of enameled wire and with the ends already sanded, introduce it through the toroid coil and attach a meter to the sanded ends. If the ac output is less than 2v,  disconnect the meter and keep winding the enameled thread thorugh the toroid. Measure again and when you get between 2.5 and three volts stop and connect the diode from the rectifier to the charging batteries positive.

Remember that is the way I did it.  You could try to wind the enameled wire for a higher voltage output. It is up to you.

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I only see on the schematics one wire but where is the other wire going? I could not figure it out looking at the pictures. Would you be able to take a very close picture of the toroid please?

Many thanks in advance,

Fausto

Just do what I explained first.
If you have problems ask me again.

About the close up of the toroid coil, the closest I can get without it becoming a blur is those photos posted.

Jesus

Edit:

Respect to the 13 turns that I made it to no higher than 3v, it was because I was using it initially with a diode directly connected to the 1.5v source battery and I did not want that a higher output voltage connected to the battery could damage the battery. Then I notice that the connection was not working properly like that and I connected the diode to the charging battery instead. That is why it is optional.
But to use it as a charger for the charging batteries the turns should be made on a way that the output voltage exceeds the battery pack voltage.
so a good output would be around 7v. Even though it is not needed because the toroid coil gives out 38v.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 12:38:17 PM by nievesoliveras »

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #333 on: February 23, 2009, 02:11:46 AM »
@nievesoliveras
I like the fact that you can lock the thread, we need that if it looses control.

I am a little bit puzzled now about the coil still. I got that the second 13 turns is optional. Now, I thought that that 13 turns was the one that goes to the center of the coil on the schematics. Look at the picture modified. I understand by looking at it that you have the terminal 3 and 4 connected together making the whole coil a 3 ends coil.  Is my modified picture correct (green arrow) ?

And is this the cable you used: http://cordsplus.com/pages/vga_cables.html  ?

Many thanks again.

Fausto.


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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #334 on: February 23, 2009, 02:46:22 AM »
@nievesoliveras
I like the fact that you can lock the thread, we need that if it looses control.

I am a little bit puzzled now about the coil still. I got that the second 13 turns is optional. Now, I thought that that 13 turns was the one that goes to the center of the coil on the schematics. Look at the picture modified. I understand by looking at it that you have the terminal 3 and 4 connected together making the whole coil a 3 ends coil.  Is my modified picture correct (green arrow) ?

And is this the cable you used: http://cordsplus.com/pages/vga_cables.html  ?

Many thanks again.

Fausto.


It does seem correct. Just remember to take one bare wire from one side and one covered wire from the other side and join them. That is the joule thief center tap. There should be one bare and one covered left. It is just as a bifilar joule thief toroid coil as your drawing.

That cable you show on your link is not the one I used but if it has bifilar strands inside it can be used.

The one I used was taken from the cable that comes from the source power of the house to a monitor. When I opened the discarded monitor there was three aluninum wires around a long toroid and I saw that the cables were comming from the cable mentioned.

That was what turned on my inventor's mind. I asked myself, what would happen if I built a toroid coil with it, and the rest is history thanks to @pirate's counseling about the battery conditioning needed....

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #335 on: February 23, 2009, 03:44:21 AM »
Here is a Smaller Battery Switcher Which Uses Less Parts . I will Try To integrate it into the Newman and Bedini Jt  for An extra battery to do extra Work . Ie . Lights  Backup  , run another motor  or just to have a few extra batteries always Charged .  I have found a piece of Pipe . And have the Toroid Wound . So Next step is Cut it and Wind the Newman . . I always wanted one :) !

I Find Myself a little tired of the Nonsense in threads that is meant to hinder ones work than help . I apologize because it not my thread but i know you have worked hard and went thru a lot of electronics to get where you are right .
 I think your Getting a Genuine BEMF Positive Charge . That is VERY Good !! . Now All were need to do is boost it with some caps .have you tried this setup . I show you on your schemitic below  I see you did not connect your Bridge negative up ? r .

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #336 on: February 23, 2009, 03:58:47 AM »
or even Better as this wont interfere with your motor . Isolated Charger ?

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #337 on: February 23, 2009, 12:37:14 PM »
Yeah, that may not be a bad idea at all, to seperate the charger side
from the rest of the circuit. :)

Thanks Gadgetmall, you sure are a great source of handy circuits ;D

best regards,
Koen

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #338 on: February 23, 2009, 12:52:51 PM »
You got a lot to learn . Forget your Calculations  . Bemf  IS voltage Amps and TIME
And all of our designs that self runs uses a Buffer(Battery ) as Newman and Bedini as well  like Jesus and i . Its a fact Please Build your own  a working model yourself Prove it to yourself . We prove to ourselves , give you the plans . Make your own and see . This is why a post like yours offends us and we care not see post such as yours . Never come to someones Forum's thread  with Negative Attitude and  start explaining how to measure this and that  about equations you have no idea  to include the Space Time calculation besides just amps and volts . It don't work that way .to use on an overunity or unity device.COP1 :2  you build it YOU WONT KNOW and therefor Have no Right at all to Criticize the great work done here Especially when others have already duplicate and do have the right to offer help .
. .When you get to Our Level Of success you will also Scream EUREKA !!! Don't Spoil it fo other just because you cant understand it and want proof to be shoved down your throat :) Its here already read !
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No offence, guys!

I am really sorry if I have offended anyone, I truly am! But shouldn't it be possible to question both your statements, results, and the Newman-motor itself? You all hopefull guys MUST take into concideration that someone allways will question your work, and the results. My link was also a link to a guy which was mislead to believe he could make more power than he used. This is a story of a man with several designs, and trials - all of them failed. He has spent lots of dollars on his project for nothing. You should sure respect those experiences as well!

I think this thread is going a little bit out of hand. However I whish to state my views, and share some infrmation, guide people with the help of some common theory and practical experimnts. If a blind man is walking with his stick towards a steep cliff believing that he is walking safely, wouldn't you try to guide him in another direction? At least tell him a few hints that this particular diection isn't doing any good? OK, I know this is just theory, so maybe that man knows that the power of space will help him walking in thin air? And sure he well walk in thin air - but just for a while. For sure he will stay in the air for quite much longer time with a parachute - WHAT AN ACHIEVEMENT! And then, by help of his friend, he will post his achievements on YouTube. No offence!!!

I understand Jesus, and how he works hard to obtain something with his Newman motor, but nothing in the design can tell me anything about the possibility to OU, or ability to charge a battery pack to more CAPACITY than it takes from the 1,5V AA cell. It WILL charge more than the 1,5 volts, but I'll explain why later in this post.

The switches for the motor itself helps generates high voltage every time the switch is turned off, due to the fact that you are rapidly turning off the magnetic field in the coils. The charge you then get is a result of built up magnetic field in advance by the 1,5V AA cell. I also believe the amps is quite high in a moment too - much higher than continous drawn from the AA cell, but the TIME that high power output is lasting is extremely short. As you stated. It is about amps, voltage and TIME.

We must focus on the net work done in the circuit. 1 watt (U x I) in 1 hour (TIME), do the same work as 3600 watts in one second. I know physics quite much more than well enough to make a statement, but ofcourse, I do not know everything.

I will try to be more open minded regarding the "impossible", but you guys should also be more open minded to the "possible".

Br.

Vidar

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #339 on: February 23, 2009, 12:57:48 PM »
Here is a Smaller Battery Switcher Which Uses Less Parts . I will Try To integrate it into the Newman and Bedini Jt  for An extra battery to do extra Work . Ie . Lights  Backup  , run another motor  or just to have a few extra batteries always Charged .  I have found a piece of Pipe . And have the Toroid Wound . So Next step is Cut it and Wind the Newman . . I always wanted one :) !

I Find Myself a little tired of the Nonsense in threads that is meant to hinder ones work than help . I apologize because it not my thread but i know you have worked hard and went thru a lot of electronics to get where you are right .
 I think your Getting a Genuine BEMF Positive Charge . That is VERY Good !! . Now All were need to do is boost it with some caps .have you tried this setup . I show you on your schemitic below  I see you did not connect your Bridge negative up ? r .


It does not use the rectifier negative connected because when I did it lowered the rotor speed a little.
By the way the thirteen turn secondary was meant as  feedback to the 1.5v battery. I found that it did not work as expected and connected it to the charging battery. That is why is optional.
To use it as a charger perse, its output voltage should exceed the battery pack voltage. So the turns must be made in order to obtain an output of  7v. But because the toroid outputs 38v, you can use that secondary for other purposes.

Your battery switcher looks simple, but I still dont understand how will it be implemented. It seems an 555 IC with a single post double through relay. Is that correct?

Jesus
« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 01:26:37 PM by nievesoliveras »

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #340 on: February 23, 2009, 01:03:02 PM »
or even Better as this wont interfere with your motor . Isolated Charger ?

The battery pack is on a spot that does two functions. It does get charged and it does turn the motor with the charge produced.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #341 on: February 23, 2009, 01:10:58 PM »
Yeah, that may not be a bad idea at all, to seperate the charger side
from the rest of the circuit. :)

Thanks Gadgetmall, you sure are a great source of handy circuits ;D

best regards,
Koen

The battery cannot be removed from the spot it is in. May be it can be removed but, I put it there to get charged and to help the jt with the motor load.
You can put the battery pack on the isolated rectifier if you give it more wire turns in order to exceed the battery pack voltage with the rectified output voltage and not use a pulse motor at all. The motor is doing nothing but spending the charge produced by the JT circuit.

Better is to eliminate the motor, let the battery pack in its place and add another battery pack on the isolated rectifier, after increasing the wire turns number.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #342 on: February 23, 2009, 01:24:21 PM »
No offence, guys!

I am really sorry if I have offended anyone, I truly am! But shouldn't it be possible to question both your statements, results, and the Newman-motor itself? You all hopefull guys MUST take into concideration that someone allways will question your work, and the results. My link was also a link to a guy which was mislead to believe he could make more power than he used. This is a story of a man with several designs, and trials - all of them failed. He has spent lots of dollars on his project for nothing. You should sure respect those experiences as well!

I think this thread is going a little bit out of hand. However I whish to state my views, and share some infrmation, guide people with the help of some common theory and practical experimnts. If a blind man is walking with his stick towards a steep cliff believing that he is walking safely, wouldn't you try to guide him in another direction? At least tell him a few hints that this particular diection isn't doing any good? OK, I know this is just theory, so maybe that man knows that the power of space will help him walking in thin air? And sure he well walk in thin air - but just for a while. For sure he will stay in the air for quite much longer time with a parachute - WHAT AN ACHIEVEMENT! And then, by help of his friend, he will post his achievements on YouTube. No offence!!!

I understand Jesus, and how he works hard to obtain something with his Newman motor, but nothing in the design can tell me anything about the possibility to OU, or ability to charge a battery pack to more CAPACITY than it takes from the 1,5V AA cell. It WILL charge more than the 1,5 volts, but I'll explain why later in this post.

The switches for the motor itself helps generates high voltage every time the switch is turned off, due to the fact that you are rapidly turning off the magnetic field in the coils. The charge you then get is a result of built up magnetic field in advance by the 1,5V AA cell. I also believe the amps is quite high in a moment too - much higher than continous drawn from the AA cell, but the TIME that high power output is lasting is extremely short. As you stated. It is about amps, voltage and TIME.

We must focus on the net work done in the circuit. 1 watt (U x I) in 1 hour (TIME), do the same work as 3600 watts in one second. I know physics quite much more than well enough to make a statement, but ofcourse, I do not know everything.

I will try to be more open minded regarding the "impossible", but you guys should also be more open minded to the "possible".

Br.

Vidar

I understand what you are saying.
But I never claimed OU. What I said is that I was having tremendous success. The success was that the batteries were charging and the source batteries were not discharging. They were fluctuating up and down between two numbers for two and a half days.
I know that there is nothing connected to the source battery in order to receive feedback and produce OU. But it seems that a toroid coil made with a bifilar cable that is covered with aluminum and plastic, with a bare wire and a covered wire together on that cable configuration, produces an effect that makes the source batteries undecided of the voltage direction to go. I mean charge or discharge. It stays fluctuating its voltage between two meter values.

Remember, I may be wrong though.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #343 on: February 23, 2009, 04:15:01 PM »
I understand what you are saying.
But I never claimed OU. What I said is that I was having tremendous success. The success was that the batteries were charging and the source batteries were not discharging. They were fluctuating up and down between two numbers for two and a half days.
I know that there is nothing connected to the source battery in order to receive feedback and produce OU. But it seems that a toroid coil made with a bifilar cable that is covered with aluminum and plastic, with a bare wire and a covered wire together on that cable configuration, produces an effect that makes the source batteries undecided of the voltage direction to go. I mean charge or discharge. It stays fluctuating its voltage between two meter values.

Remember, I may be wrong though.

Jesus
Hi,

How did you came up with the bifilar, aluminumfoil covered toroid wire?

Did you meant that the source battery voltage is fluctating, or is the voltage fluctating up and down between the source battery and the charged battery?

It is great that you can charge a battery from a sourche which is not decharging (It will keep me awake for a few nights thinking on how this is possible). So if you place a volt meter over the 1,5V battery, it will read 1,5V for two days straight without sign of voltage drop while you are charging the other battery (Unless the source voltage is fluctating)?

Can you place an amp-meter in series with the source battery, and do the same with the charging battery? Just to see how much amps there is flowing through these two batteries (Considered the knowledge about the voltage over each battery). If you have an "average-switch" on the two meters, you can for a period of time see the average current drawn from the source, and the current which is charging the other battery.

If you have time, you can also make a watt-meter. You can find these analog "bulk" meters on ebay or something. The needle in this analog meter is driven by an electromagnet in stead of the moving magnet you find on analog amp, or volt meters. The stator is also an electromagnet (As usual). So you will never read any values unless you have input on both electromagnets. Basicly it is both an amp-meter and volt-meter in one operation - also with at least three wires for measuring both amps and voltage at the same time. The scale is therefor logarithmic. Perfect for reading the power in true-time.

I hope you don't think I'm fooling now. I'm serious about these questions and ideas.

Br.

Vidar

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #344 on: February 23, 2009, 05:30:57 PM »
Do you mean that it is annoying when you post your findings and strangers
jump in and start questioning your findings and start telling you why what
you reported is impossible, that kind of thing?
I can very well imagine that such experiences can be enfuriating.

And there's more parallels with Stiffler's work if I am not mistaken...
You use a wire that is bifilar with an aluminium coating around it,
a "computer wire", as you called it in the thread... Am I correct
in thinking you are talking about a single isolated wire with a second
wire wound around it, with a thin aluminium layer wrapped around these?
Stiffler, as I suppose you know, uses something similar, he often
uses capacitors wrapped in a layer of aluminium or wires wrapped
in such a layer.

I was wondering if we can do what you're doing here with a JT instead of
newman-like setups...?

In any case, nil illegitimi carborandum my friend :)
lol no they probably were not ;)
lol
and they went quiet :)

Best regards,
Koen


@koen1
Thank you for your participation on this thread.

Jesus