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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #180 on: January 24, 2009, 01:58:33 PM »
@all

What we need to do is very simple.
We need to make a small circuit that uses the energy from the output coil to run a joule thief with an LED without the LED flickering on and off.
If we get the joule thief LED attached to the output coil to light normal, our feedback problem is solved. The motor will run till the battery will not charge and discharge anymore. Maybe two three months or weeks, could be a year. If it is a 1.5v battery, it will be very inespensive to replace.
The use for this pulse motor with the circuit in my case will be to use as the wind on a small scale wind turbine. It will be on a place that seldom the wind blows during the day. When the wind blow it will help the motor and will not harm anything, the motor will be spinning in favor of the wind.
So if there is no wind, the pulse motor is charging a battery bank. If there is wind, the motor will have some help.
I know it is a nice dream of free energy. But we have the right to dream.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #180 on: January 24, 2009, 01:58:33 PM »

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #181 on: January 24, 2009, 05:39:11 PM »
Hi Jesus . Don't give up yet . If i can do it with a bedini type motor there must be something else . maybe its the Big metal diodes i am using . I git them from a Scrap yard that has lots of military junk . Big univac computers the size of sheds and all kinds of contraptions . Most of what i got i get from there .theres even some magnetic sand (magnetite and Chromium)i put my hands all in it and later the guy told me it was radioactive(slightly) !! I brought a can of it home(outside)to make  some cool(hot) cores for coils dreaming of some reaction i might come up with . . the spot you got the neon lit was that draining the battery  or was it unity ?Also i dont see how a joule thief out put lighting an led is going help now cause it  was determined that those leds can can run on Micro amps . ? As far as My bedinis are concerned i tried and it blew the transistor and led  then again that was expected because i am running with a 12 volt battery charged to nearly 15 volts and the output coil puts out 100's of volts  :) So with that in mind i need a motor like yours that runs off a 1 volt battery . Now i have seen videos of Newman motors running directly off a 1 volt battery with contacts . I guess this need further investigation because you are having to convert 1.5 to 12 . there is one place you are losing Valuable current the next is the transistor and then how many windings are on you Newman coil and the resistance of those coils . I have already discovered that Thin wire and lots of it will produce more current and voltage . this is evident in My piggy back coil and the fans that were modified . the bigger the windings on the fan in this case causes more back spike current  than the current  takes to spin it . Its funny that a 48 volt fan will run on 6 volts . I tried that too but not in detail like the 12 volt experiment . . anyways i see  a way out  just have to build it and try . It amazes me that an earth battery producing 1.08 volts at 1 ma will run two joule thieves in parallel  lighting up both not too bright but still producing usable light at night when everything is dark i can see .I have several supercaps . they take a very long time to charge on the earthbattery but when they do and i hook up a Jt they are full bright for a minuite or so Hmm.. maybe another circuit to bleed the charge to the Jt circuit .. Well i hope My ramblings are not boring you too much . We can do this on your design .. something will come up ..
« Last Edit: January 24, 2009, 06:49:46 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #182 on: January 24, 2009, 10:35:19 PM »
Hi Jesus . Don't give up yet . If i can do it with a bedini type motor there must be something else . maybe its the Big metal diodes i am using . I git them from a Scrap yard that has lots of military junk . Big univac computers the size of sheds and all kinds of contraptions . Most of what i got i get from there .theres even some magnetic sand (magnetite and Chromium)i put my hands all in it and later the guy told me it was radioactive(slightly) !! I brought a can of it home(outside)to make  some cool(hot) cores for coils dreaming of some reaction i might come up with . . the spot you got the neon lit was that draining the battery  or was it unity ?Also i dont see how a joule thief out put lighting an led is going help now cause it  was determined that those leds can can run on Micro amps . ? As far as My bedinis are concerned i tried and it blew the transistor and led  then again that was expected because i am running with a 12 volt battery charged to nearly 15 volts and the output coil puts out 100's of volts  :) So with that in mind i need a motor like yours that runs off a 1 volt battery . Now i have seen videos of Newman motors running directly off a 1 volt battery with contacts . I guess this need further investigation because you are having to convert 1.5 to 12 . there is one place you are losing Valuable current the next is the transistor and then how many windings are on you Newman coil and the resistance of those coils . I have already discovered that Thin wire and lots of it will produce more current and voltage . this is evident in My piggy back coil and the fans that were modified . the bigger the windings on the fan in this case causes more back spike current  than the current  takes to spin it . Its funny that a 48 volt fan will run on 6 volts . I tried that too but not in detail like the 12 volt experiment . . anyways i see  a way out  just have to build it and try . It amazes me that an earth battery producing 1.08 volts at 1 ma will run two joule thieves in parallel  lighting up both not too bright but still producing usable light at night when everything is dark i can see .I have several supercaps . they take a very long time to charge on the earthbattery but when they do and i hook up a Jt they are full bright for a minuite or so Hmm.. maybe another circuit to bleed the charge to the Jt circuit .. Well i hope My ramblings are not boring you too much . We can do this on your design .. something will come up ..

Thanks @gadgetmall.
It is a coincidence. My coil has 1400 turns divided on two coils of 700 turns each, the wire is 30 awg. That is why it, when the battery is connected and I move a little the rotor, the neon bulb begins to glow with a high pitch sound, then the sound stabilizes and the light stays on until I get the battery off or the battery runs down.
That is a very strange high voltage behavior. Because if I connect an LED to it with the cathode pointing in direction of the output coil, the LED stays brightly light and if I measure the voltage it has less than 3 volts dc.
I think that to finish this project without spending so much money on experiment failures, is to study the electronic theory involved in all the pulse motor operation.

Jesus

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. . the spot you got the neon lit was that draining the battery  or was it unity ?Also i dont see how a joule thief out put lighting an led is going help now cause it  was determined that those leds can can run on Micro amps . ? ..
It was draining the battery.
I have a breadboard with four different joule thieves configurations on it. When I tested it on the feedback circuit, it just flicked dimly at first, then I made some changes and it flickered brightly.
I can make the four diferent configurations including on the four a flash transformer with a neon bulb, with a 1.2v battery and it lights bright.
If I can make that the output coil run that joule thief composition, then I know that the output of that composition can make the booster circuit to work and move the motor while the joule thieves composition is providing feedback to the source at the same time.
Even though the feedback wont charge the battery, it wont drain it either. That is if the JT composition works fine with the pulse motor coil output.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #182 on: January 24, 2009, 10:35:19 PM »
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #183 on: January 25, 2009, 01:45:51 AM »
I understand now . thanks ..

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #184 on: January 25, 2009, 01:22:27 PM »
@all

I will experiment with this variation now.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #185 on: January 25, 2009, 01:48:11 PM »
@all

I would like to give credit to all those people that in one way or another has helped us on this thread.

@cap-z-ro, @ramset, @innovation-station, @spinner, @abbarue, @pirate88179, @goat, @gadgetmall, @hartiberlin, @guruji, @gyulasun, @mvmcman, @thaelin,

To all the team from @pirate's thread I take my hat off before you all.

And if you think that you should also be mentioned here, The thanks go to you too.

Jesus

Also I would like to give credit to:

@tropes, @mk1 and @sandwichx.

Again, if you think that you should also be mentioned here, The credits go to you too.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #186 on: January 25, 2009, 10:45:37 PM »
@jesus

Your alternator project , if you recoil it with soft iron coil , you will reduce the magnetic pull and reduce friction , This is a old story that most won't even try.
Mark
I have been doing some experimenting with coils for my Sotropa Motor using R.P.M. to compare each variable. I have compared bifilar to single strand, directional winding to back & forth, wire size, core size and core material. However, I am not sure what you mean by "recoil it with soft iron coil". Do you mean wrap the existing coil with a soft iron wire?
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #187 on: January 25, 2009, 11:12:07 PM »
@tropes

Rewire alternator with soft iron , instead of copper wire.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #188 on: January 25, 2009, 11:29:18 PM »
Do you have a supplier name for the coated iron wire?

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #189 on: January 26, 2009, 12:07:23 AM »
@tropes

I wish i did but, you will most likely need to coat it your self.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #190 on: January 26, 2009, 12:12:40 AM »
@tropes and @mk1

What I did instead of rewiring the core was to change the rotor with a permanent magnet rotor and that changed the quantity of revolutions per minute needed to get 30volts in half.
I needed 3500 rpm to produce 12volts. The motor I could get was 1375 rpm. With it the alternator never got to produce any voltage at all.
With the same motor and the permanent magnet rotor I had to use a light dimmer switch to low down the speed because the alternator was getting to hot at 1375 rpm.

so if you cant get the rewiring, get a permanent magnet alternator rotor.

Jesus
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #191 on: January 26, 2009, 01:06:52 PM »
@all

I did the projected circuit and connected it, the motor did not turn. I disconnected the wire coming from the capacitor to the 1.5v battery and the motor spinned well. When I put back the cable to see if after being running it would stay running, there was a big spark and the motor worked no more no matter what I did to it.
I think that I damaged the booster circuit.

Another loss on my feedback to the source obsession.

Jesus

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« Reply #192 on: January 27, 2009, 01:00:40 PM »
@all

Well the booster is gone for now. Now I have to deal with a straight 12v battery to make the experiments. The risk is bigger to damage circuits. But there is a goal to fulfill.

I will try this other circuit to see if it works on the negative side. Then I will switch it to the positive side.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #193 on: January 28, 2009, 12:19:37 PM »
The circuit was built. The test was made.
The motor just gave 3 or 4 turns and there was fire and smoke coming from the circuit. After disconnecting the battery, there was this brown burn around the transistor.

I dont know but this has gotten too expensive for me.

It was safer when it was only 1.5v boosted to 12v.

Jesus

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« Reply #194 on: January 28, 2009, 05:47:55 PM »
@ Jesus:

Look at it this way.  If you fried the transistor it means you are getting TOO MUCH power fed back into your circuit.  With my knowledge being at a novice level in electronics, my guess is that you either need a heavier duty transistor or a larger resistor in line to protect the transistor.  So, (again I am guessing here) when your motor ran for just those few turns, it made enough power to burn up you transistor meaning to me that this is the direction you were looking for.

In other words, I see this as an encouraging accident, not a set back.  But, I understand about the expense part.  Maybe scale everything down and work with lower input energy?

Best of luck to you.  Whatever you do, do not give up.

Bill

 

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