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Offline Mk1

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2009, 09:44:08 PM »
@ jesus

I think a zener and 2 resistor could do.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #136 on: January 21, 2009, 11:09:15 PM »
@ jesus

I think a zener and 2 resistor could do.

Mark

Thanks!
I will take that into consideration on my new designs.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #137 on: January 21, 2009, 11:21:01 PM »
@all

I will try @gadgetmall's and @mk1 ideas.
First I need to change the 1.5v running circuit.

With the Tip31A transistor and the Neon bulb in place, it looks like the first graphic.
With the toroid, flash transformer, or audio transformer eliminated, looks like the second graphic.

Now I have a clean canvas to experiment.

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« Reply #137 on: January 21, 2009, 11:21:01 PM »
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #138 on: January 21, 2009, 11:52:45 PM »
I also just got that Adjustable output down to 1.2V , LM317.

http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM317.html

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« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2009, 01:59:19 AM »
I also just got that Adjustable output down to 1.2V , LM317.

http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM317.html

Thank you @mk1.

Can you believe me if I tell you that I used that approach to lower an output 0f 30 volts to 13 volts on a self running motor I was trying to do with an alternator and it did not pass for my mind even for a minute?

The photo of the contraption is included.

I am glad that you lowered to that voltage.
In the morning I will post the first circuit I am going to try. If you have a schematic of your combination of resistances and the LM317, can you post it?

I included the Graphic I used that time to get the values. To get 13 volts I used 2400ohms as R2.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2009, 03:52:37 AM »
This can't be done due to ohm's law:

V = I * R

v = voltage
i = current
r = resistance

If you step up the voltage the current will decrease. The circuit resistance and motor friction will cause energy to be dissipated as heat.

Typically amplifiers are used to amplify a waveform signal riding on a dc voltage.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2009, 04:11:31 AM »
@sandwichx

You must have studied that stuff. But we are taking of lowering the output, i my self i think it would be preferable to store that energy elsewhere.

And really dose that law go both ways?


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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2009, 12:05:13 PM »
This can't be done due to ohm's law:

V = I * R

v = voltage
i = current
r = resistance

If you step up the voltage the current will decrease. The circuit resistance and motor friction will cause energy to be dissipated as heat.

Typically amplifiers are used to amplify a waveform signal riding on a dc voltage.

That sounds correct. But you must remember that we on free energy, sometimes make some things that the electronic laws cannot cover. Maybe we can find a way to feedback to the source even though it seems that we are violating a law.

Hi! @mk1.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2009, 12:09:24 PM »
@all

I tried this circuit and the motor stops each time I connect the positive output from the rectifier to the 1.5v battery positive. (It also happened at the beggining with another circuit)
If I eliminate the first 1n4007 it does the same. If I connect an LED in series it slows down the motor but does not stop.
The output from the rectifier is 13 to 14 volts when it is not connected to the 1.5v battery. If it is connected in series with the LED, gives 2.66 to 2.98 volts.

Have anybody replicated? If so. Do you have results alike or better?
This specific circuit is not recharging the battery But if I connect a recharging battery it gets recharged as usual.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #144 on: January 22, 2009, 12:19:19 PM »
@mvmcman

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Check this java applet circuit simulator
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

Thank you!
I will try to learn that simulator and simulate my circuits on it, when I get the time to do it.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2009, 12:26:38 PM »
@all

The correct orientation of the mentioned LED in series is like so.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2009, 01:31:48 PM »
Hello Jesus,

One observation on your above schematics:  if you could use more LEDs in series with the one you showed, then the output voltage could be maintained at a higher level so the rotor would not slow down as much as it does now with the one LED.
The explanation is that with the LED you actually make a direct feedback from the 12V output of the LT1073 to its own 1.5V source via a rectifier bridge diode (the one at the 1 o'clock position) and the LED. The forward voltage of one LED is 1.5 to 2 or higher, depending on their color, so in case of one LED it is a huge load for your LT circuit.

By using 3 or 4 LEDs in series, you could make this load much lighter, hence there could remain 10-11V at least for the Bedini circuit to push the rotor as usual. 
(I still cannot say you get overunity with this but a better operation...)

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2009, 02:46:46 PM »
Hello Jesus,

One observation on your above schematics:  if you could use more LEDs in series with the one you showed, then the output voltage could be maintained at a higher level so the rotor would not slow down as much as it does now with the one LED.
The explanation is that with the LED you actually make a direct feedback from the 12V output of the LT1073 to its own 1.5V source via a rectifier bridge diode (the one at the 1 o'clock position) and the LED. The forward voltage of one LED is 1.5 to 2 or higher, depending on their color, so in case of one LED it is a huge load for your LT circuit.

By using 3 or 4 LEDs in series, you could make this load much lighter, hence there could remain 10-11V at least for the Bedini circuit to push the rotor as usual. 
(I still cannot say you get overunity with this but a better operation...)

rgds,  Gyula

Thank you @gyulasun!
I will try that after I make some changes to the schematic and post it to see if that is what you recommend.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #148 on: January 22, 2009, 03:49:44 PM »
@gyulasun

I made the changes and made the tests. When I added three LEDs the motor kept its slowness. I then added a 2200uf cap and the motor accelerated a little bit. But it continues to be slow.
The charge does not improve. Maybe I am doing something wrong. A photo and a schematic is included. The battery is disconnected.
I had to put a contrast wall behind the LEDs in order to see them. That paper does nothing to help the circuit.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2009, 03:57:55 PM »
By the way. I was making a test with the first circuit without any LED and I connected the coil output wire to the 1.5v battery and it did not stop the motor. I was so glad. Then because the motor had no speed I added the 2200uf cap and the motor sped up. It was marvelous. I was so happy.
Suddenly I notice that the coil output wire was connected one hole before the right connection hole, hence it was so fast and unstopable. Big desilusion.
A photo is included.

Jesus

 

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