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Offline Goat

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2009, 02:49:25 AM »
Jesus Jesus
If there was such a shielding material as shown in that YouTube video, we would all have a perpetual motion machine.
Tropes

@ tropes

You raised a valid question here, I have lots of old dead HDD drives,

Are the 2 half circle metal plates used in the HDD's avbove the magnets made of the "shielding material" that we could use here? 
Are they made of the wrong or right metal for shielding?  I heard they were made of Mu metal, if so can we save these and use them to our advantage in the above design? 

I'd hate to throw these away and find out later they were the key to OU  :P

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Paul

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Re: Feedback To Source
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2009, 03:31:30 AM »
@ Goat:

I have read that those "shields" are not really shields at all but help to orient the magnetic field in the Hard drive unit.  More like a magnetic wave guide of sorts.  I have several of those magnets (they are powerful and good to have around) and if you take off the "shielding" and test it yourself on other magnets and iron, I think you will see that what I have read is correct.  No one has come up with a real magnetic shield that I am aware of.  If they had, almost anyone could make a free energy machine or device.  Check on this to see if I am correct. (about the hard drive mags)

Bill

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2009, 04:24:58 AM »
 
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@ tropes

You raised a valid question here, I have lots of old dead HDD drives,

Are the 2 half circle metal plates used in the HDD's avbove the magnets made of the "shielding material" that we could use here? 
Are they made of the wrong or right metal for shielding?  I heard they were made of Mu metal, if so can we save these and use them to our advantage in the above design? 

I'd hate to throw these away and find out later they were the key to OU  :P

Regards,
Paul
The problem is the attraction that magnets have to Mumetal rather than eliminating or blocking the magnetic field.
Tropes

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2009, 04:24:58 AM »
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2009, 06:39:29 AM »
@all

The mu-metal parts of the hdd is the parts holding the magnets. The magnets stick to it like any metal,but where it gets interesting is if you stick a piece of metal on the other side it won't stick, but magnets will. the disk is made of aluminum or ceramic, and plated with palladium.

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Mark

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2009, 02:30:55 PM »
Jesus Jesus
If there was such a shielding material as shown in that YouTube video, we would all have a perpetual motion machine.
Tropes

The shield do exist and it is very easy to apply. I have the address of the manufacturer somewhere on my hardisk. I will make a search and if I find it I will post it.


@ tropes

You raised a valid question here, I have lots of old dead HDD drives,

Are the 2 half circle metal plates used in the HDD's avbove the magnets made of the "shielding material" that we could use here? 
Are they made of the wrong or right metal for shielding?  I heard they were made of Mu metal, if so can we save these and use them to our advantage in the above design? 

I'd hate to throw these away and find out later they were the key to OU  :P

Regards,
Paul

I have some of those metal shields too. Lets hope we find a solution of how to apply them to a project.

@ Goat:

I have read that those "shields" are not really shields at all but help to orient the magnetic field in the Hard drive unit.  More like a magnetic wave guide of sorts.  I have several of those magnets (they are powerful and good to have around) and if you take off the "shielding" and test it yourself on other magnets and iron, I think you will see that what I have read is correct.  No one has come up with a real magnetic shield that I am aware of.  If they had, almost anyone could make a free energy machine or device.  Check on this to see if I am correct. (about the hard drive mags)

Bill

Again I have an addres of a company that sells the magnetic shield in sheet form that can be applied very easy.
I need to find it or ask magnetmill inventor ELIEVE. He has all that information already.

The problem is the attraction that magnets have to Mumetal rather than eliminating or blocking the magnetic field.
Tropes


Exactly that is what happens when that metal is used it is so magnetic absorbant that it takes all one side of the magnet to itself, hence the magnet cannot spread to other parts.

@all

The mu-metal parts of the hdd is the parts holding the magnets. The magnets stick to it like any metal,but where it gets interesting is if you stick a piece of metal on the other side it won't stick, but magnets will. the disk is made of aluminum or ceramic, and plated with palladium.

Thanks
Mark

You are right on that information the metal will not get magnetic but will accept a magnet.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2009, 02:30:55 PM »
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2009, 02:39:46 PM »
@all

In the meantime I wait for the parts I send for from goldmine and I can find the address of the magnetic shield manufacturer.

I will post the first part of my feedback project. I am reconstructing the whole thing to see where is the problem with it and I am taking photos as I reassemble it back according to my last composed circuit of 1.5v running.

This photos are the 1.5v to 12v booster circuit alone on the right side of the breadboard.

This is the plan I will follow to the letter as close as possible.

1.5v running with fedback to the source plan

1. photo of the 1.5v to 12v booster
2. build the 1.5v running circuit
3. photo of the two circuits together
4. test the coil output
5. photo of the coil output
6. determine the resistors needed with the formula to get 1-2volts max 3v
7. check the output is correct
8. include the feedback circuit
9. photo of the feedback circuit added
10. test the whole composition

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2009, 02:47:45 PM »
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The magnetic shield information that ELIEVE sent me last year is here:
http://www.magnetic-shield.com/literature/pdf/mg-7.pdf

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #97 on: January 13, 2009, 12:40:04 PM »
According to plan steps 2 and 3 are accomplished here.

I tested The transistors 3904, 2222, 9014, 4401 and 3055 with the 1.5v circuit and this time and I dont know why, none worked.
I tried tip31A transistor and it worked perfectly. Running the motor with the 1.5v to 12v booster circuit.

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« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2009, 02:26:31 PM »
@ all

I have been having problems with the connection. I have been two hours trying to connect.
If this does not show up as a post, there will be no post today.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2009, 02:26:31 PM »
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2009, 02:29:11 PM »
According to plan again, steps 4 and five are accomplished.

The motor coil gave between 8.5 volts and 11.46 volts while running.
The 8.5 volts were when the battery was getting low.
So this coil gives 11.46 volts with a good 1.5 volts battery.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #100 on: January 15, 2009, 12:23:32 PM »
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To determine the resistors needed in order to get between 1.5 and  3volts I will use the formulas on the graphic here.

In order to get 3volts I need 1 resistor of 100ohms and another of 300ohms
In order to get 2volts I need 1 resistor of 100ohms and another of 500ohms

I am assuming a 12v comming from the pulse motor coil instead of 11.46v.

Because of that, any of this two voltage divider configurations must work in theory.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
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« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2009, 12:38:03 PM »
According to plan steps 6 and 7 are accomplished here.

Using 1 resistor of 100 ohms and another of 500 ohms. The 100 ohms coming from the negative and the 500 ohms from the coil diode.
The circuit outputs only 0.98volts.

To get the five hundred ohms that does not exist, I used 2 one thousand ohms in parallel.

Using again 1 resistor of 100 ohms and another of 500 ohms. The 500 ohms coming from the negative and the 100 ohms from the coil diode.
The circuit outputs only 3.90volts.

That means that the true voltage differs considerably from the theoretical graphic values.

Using the formula: Desired voltage = Coil output X R1/R2 gives a different value also.

But I "hope" that it could make the audio transformer to work. We will see.

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2009, 12:40:47 PM »
When I added a 2200uf 50v cap to the circuit, instead of four minutes, it lasted running a long time and twice as fast. I mean with the cap addition it runs faster and for longer periods of time with a 1.5v battery. It does not recharge back though.

Edit:
The purpose of this is that I needed more than 4 minutes to make tests or prepare the camera to take photos etc.

Jesus
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #103 on: January 17, 2009, 12:48:57 PM »
@all

The circuit composition I did before of 4 different circuits running with a 1.5v battery, is going to be used to test if the coil output has the strength needed to provide a 1.5volts.

Jesus

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2009, 06:01:31 AM »
@Jesus . Nice work Man .  I have been building and building and designing feedback circuits by the hand full . If you need any parts like maybe germanium transistors to play with i have 120+ of them i bought off ebay . all different gains and base voltages . i would be glad to send you a bout 5 or 10 for a self addressed soft pack . and i will sort thru them like i have been doing getting the best gain vers bias for our / your low voltage 1.5 volt operation to further increase the positivity of the system for feedback to Source . you interested ?Drop me a pm and ill give you my address . I find this subject interesting because i do have a self runner but want to compact it to a solid state or at least Miniaturize the device to carry and power itself along with doing work . My Bedini weigh self runner weight about 40 pounds total and it ain't that portable   :o  . I hope My endeavorers will eventually help you . God Speed .. Al

 

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