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Pirate88179

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #255 on: February 17, 2009, 07:37:16 PM »
@ Jesus:


Have a look at this guy's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNItTf9NrM&feature=subscription

Then, check out some of his other videos.  He says we are only getting half of the back emf on all of our experiments and we can double the energy by doing it his way.  I am not sure I follow this as a lot is over my head.  See what you think.

Bill
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #256 on: February 17, 2009, 09:37:00 PM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 17, 2009, 07:37:16 PM
@ Jesus:


Have a look at this guy's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNItTf9NrM&feature=subscription

Then, check out some of his other videos.  He says we are only getting half of the back emf on all of our experiments and we can double the energy by doing it his way.  I am not sure I follow this as a lot is over my head.  See what you think.

Bill

Thank you @pirate!

I will check it as soon as I can.

Jesus
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #257 on: February 17, 2009, 10:42:50 PM »
@pirate and @all

I viewed the videos and found the information interesting. I made a composition of the whole thing as reference.

With this information I understand now how to make the famous pulse motor that was posted on this forum on one topic I was following and did not understand how to make it at that time. Now I know.

Thank you @pirate!

Jesus
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jadaro2600

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #258 on: February 17, 2009, 11:16:37 PM »
Quote from: nievesoliveras on February 17, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
@pirate and @all

I viewed the videos and found the information interesting. I made a composition of the whole thing as reference.

With this information I understand now how to make the famous pulse motor that was posted on this forum on one topic I was following and did not understand how to make it at that time. Now I know.

Thank you @pirate!

Jesus

That picture with the blue ink looks like a really BAD idea.
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gadgetmall

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #259 on: February 18, 2009, 07:09:30 AM »
@Jesus . Ok i got one more for you . wrap another secondary run it thru a diode to a 2200uf 16volt cap or close . you will see the circuit die for a Minuit .....then you will see the circuit go to full power again . Check the voltage on the cap . it should be very high ...like 7 times the running battery .. then Pm me ....I cannot give this out yet but i will let you know so you can try it ..
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #260 on: February 18, 2009, 02:37:50 PM »
Quote from: jadaro2600 on February 17, 2009, 11:16:37 PM
That picture with the blue ink looks like a really BAD idea.

Pardon my ignorance. But, why do you say so?

Jesus
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #261 on: February 19, 2009, 01:49:25 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 17, 2009, 07:37:16 PM
@ Jesus:


Have a look at this guy's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNItTf9NrM&feature=subscription

Then, check out some of his other videos.  He says we are only getting half of the back emf on all of our experiments and we can double the energy by doing it his way.  I am not sure I follow this as a lot is over my head.  See what you think.

Bill
the Guy is wrong . BEMF is only produce when the dc current is released . so when he hooks up a battery the first pulse is normal induction but when he released the battery one larger BEMF pulse is release . This is why bedini uses a diods to capture the ONE bemf pulse which is much higher that the original Normal first induction pulse .
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #262 on: February 19, 2009, 02:31:00 AM »
Quote from: gadgetmall on February 18, 2009, 07:09:30 AM
@Jesus . Ok i got one more for you . wrap another secondary run it thru a diode to a 2200uf 16volt cap or close . you will see the circuit die for a Minuit .....then you will see the circuit go to full power again . Check the voltage on the cap . it should be very high ...like 7 times the running battery .. then Pm me ....I cannot give this out yet but i will let you know so you can try it ..

Thank you @gadgetmall !
I did not see this one this morning.

I will try it as soon as I finish some experiments I am doing with a new toroid coil.

Quote from: gadgetmall on February 19, 2009, 01:49:25 AM
the Guy is wrong . BEMF is only produce when the dc current is released . so when he hooks up a battery the first pulse is normal induction but when he released the battery one larger BEMF pulse is release . This is why bedini uses a diods to capture the ONE bemf pulse which is much higher that the original Normal first induction pulse .

Thanks again !

Jesus
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #263 on: February 19, 2009, 12:34:17 PM »
@all

The circuits I have tried to this point just has proved one thing:

They are "Good chargers" of another battery. But they cannot charge their own battery.

With different coil configurations and the help of some diodes and capacitors, you can make the running battery to last longer periods of time, but eventually the battery gets discharged and the motor stops.

It is true that if you allow some time to pass and start the circuit again the battery has recovered almost completely, but there is always two or three points of voltage missing. The battery for example was 1.5v then it discharged and the motor stopped. The battery recovered but this time the voltage is 1.35v. the cycle repeats and the battery recovers at 1.28 and so on.

It is sad to say that to this point I have fail to get a real feedback to the source.

@gadgetmall

I will try the test you proposed today.

Jesus
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #264 on: February 19, 2009, 01:09:25 PM »
@all

Correction:

I tried to use the batteries I charged with the last "marvelous" circuit and the batteries seemed well charged. The batteries were the camera aaa batteries. The thing is that before I put them to charge I could take a photo with the camera. After "fully charged" with the circuit, I tried to take photos of the work and used the recharged batteries. The camera turned on and when I tried to take the photo, it turned off by itself. That was repeated several times using diferent combinations of the charged batteries.

Conclusion:

The charge given by this circuits is just an illussion. The battery shows an excellent voltage "fully charged", but it goes dead as soon as you put a load to it. Not completely dead perse, but it does not do the work required from it.

Jesus
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #265 on: February 19, 2009, 06:56:45 PM »
@ Jesus:

Check with Gadgetmall on this but I believe it is correct.  Your motor is charging the battery in pulses similar to a Bedini charger.  Batteries used in the Bedini type chargers have to be "conditioned" by charging and discharging more than a few times before they work well.  I have not done this....yet, but I have read this in many different places.  Once conditioned, the batteries should work even better than they were rated for when new.  I am not sure what type works better, lithium ion or ni cad, I really don't know.  I have read that some rechargeables do not work well if at all.  Hope this helps.

Bill
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #266 on: February 19, 2009, 08:05:11 PM »
Quote from: gadgetmall on February 19, 2009, 01:49:25 AM
the Guy is wrong . BEMF is only produce when the dc current is released . so when he hooks up a battery the first pulse is normal induction but when he released the battery one larger BEMF pulse is release . This is why bedini uses a diods to capture the ONE bemf pulse which is much higher that the original Normal first induction pulse .

Yes, it´s also wrong because it labels the lamp as a "6V neon" lol. You won´t find any neon that will light at 6V, but the BEMF of a hundred or more volts will pulse a neon nicely.
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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #267 on: February 19, 2009, 09:09:35 PM »
@jesus

If one could switch those battery around, every few minutes , you would charge both bat.
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Pirate88179

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #268 on: February 19, 2009, 11:32:34 PM »
@ MK1:

Isn't there a way to switch the batteries (as you said) electronically ever few minutes?  I mean, maybe even just electrically or electro-mechanically.  Some simple device that would swap them out on a set time period.  I had been thinking about this with the original Bedini a while back but since I didn't finish the motor then, I gave it no further thought.  Seems like it would not be too hard to do some way....what do you think?

Bill
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Feedback To Source
« Reply #269 on: February 20, 2009, 02:34:41 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 19, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
@ Jesus:

Check with Gadgetmall on this but I believe it is correct.  Your motor is charging the battery in pulses similar to a Bedini charger.  Batteries used in the Bedini type chargers have to be "conditioned" by charging and discharging more than a few times before they work well.  I have not done this....yet, but I have read this in many different places.  Once conditioned, the batteries should work even better than they were rated for when new.  I am not sure what type works better, lithium ion or ni cad, I really don't know.  I have read that some rechargeables do not work well if at all.  Hope this helps.

Bill

thank you @pirate
I read something about that. But I suppose to inform the truth of what happens with my circuits.
I will give it another chance, I will put the batteries to charge again and connect them to the pulse motor until dead and recharge again. It is a very slow process though.

Quote from: Mk1 on February 19, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
@jesus

If one could switch those battery around, every few minutes , you would charge both bat.

Thank you @mk1

That is something that must people are doing. The only problem is to make a simple circuit to do the swapping.

Thank you @yucca
Thank you @gadgetmall

Jesus
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