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Offline jikwan

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2010, 10:16:42 AM »
Think it isn't/can't/wont happen here? THINK AGAIN*.*  "They" don't feel it's our business to know
         The  UK Ministry of Defence admits experimenting on public - 1940-1979 ..who knows about since then? Now?
         Â©  Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
          Observer.co.uk
     

    Sunday April 21, 2002

    The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

    A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

    Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

    While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

    The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

    The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

    In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry. (Of course they were ignored, like we all are now when we ask what the hell is being sprayed up in the skies over our heads that's making us all sick ..~R~)

    *One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

    While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

    In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

    The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. *These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

    Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

    Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

    In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

    However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

    David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

    The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

    Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

    Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

    The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s. (Wait..I thought the terrorists had anthrax they could drop on us any second and we're supposed to be terrified of them? ~R~)

    The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

    Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

    'The results from these trials will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

    Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

antony.barnett@observer.co.uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2010, 10:16:42 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2010, 10:34:40 AM »
Aircraft Mechanics Forum.

http://www.aircraftmechanic.org/

tried a search --chemtrails--
had to be a member for access

heres my idea............
one of us needs to pose as a mechanic and
post a complaint about suspicious exhausts
and wait for the response

id do it myself but i fear id not be very convincing enough

one of us could do it
have to use the right jargon
sound as though youve been a mech for decades

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2010, 10:49:50 AM »

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2010, 10:56:24 AM »
Aircraft Mechanics Forum.

http://www.aircraftmechanic.org/

tried a search --chemtrails--


My search was successfull,
there was only one thread mixed with UFOs and Chemtrails,
and the best answer was at:

http://www.aircraftmechanic.org/showthread.php?t=1455&highlight=chemtrails&page=2


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Originally Posted by 2BravoDelta View Post
I spent waaaay too much time taking pics of "chemtrails" in 2007.
straight lines of 20 jet trails in 20 minutes, (which expanded to form a total cloud cover), checkerboard grid patterns that took hours to complete......(then the very next day not a plane to be seen anydamwhere)
I photographed jets flying equidistant to each other, and while emitting no visible plume from the engine exhaust, "spurted" out in 5 second bursts, a "clear" plume, that minutes after the plane flew out of sight, materialized (in proportionate lengths) into trails, then spread out into "clouds".
I have pics of circles, fig-8's, "S" shapes, and damn near everything else you can imagine. I've seen DC9 sized aircraft make S's, and damn near turn on end when they did it, and apparently for no apparent reason.
I have photos of "corkscrew" shaped chemtrails, and I dont mean "kinda like" a corkscrew, I mean EXACTLY like a corkscrew. Curled trails coming out of a jet. Maybe 10 or so seconds in length.
I have time lapse video of a few chemtrails spreading out to maybe a hundred times the original size, and then fall earthward in a type of "foggy mess".
I've seen "black" lines materialize out of nowhere in the sky, and then photographed jets fly exactly over them, sometimes leaving solid trails, sometimes segmented ones.
I've witnesed two trails being made (immediately and CLOSE TO on top of one another, while only able to see one plane.
That one was so weird looking, that the client I was with stopped dead in his tracks and said "what the HELL is that?"
I didnt say a word. (I wanted the job) I just shrugged it off.

Oh, and some other things I photographed during the past year.
Lights or orbs, in the daytime, that appeared to follow jets in the sky. Some just came out of nowhere, say ten times or more the speed of the jet I was photographing, ad then it would just hover in place for a few secinds before zooming off at an equally ridiculous speed.

somebody, somewhere on a site like this, HAS to know something.

Its why I came here, although the more I researched the possibilities, the less I expect anyone to say anything.................

If I'm nuts then my dammed digital camera is nuts.
I have better pictures than ANY of the conspiracy sites, even this one.........
(and this is a good one)

http://bariumblues.com/
thanks for your time.

My guess on the reason for this, is. Since there is constant propaganda about global warming and climate change. I feel they are darn sure gona make sure something happens so they are doing it cloud engineering to affect warming and climate changes. You know something is up when all the enviro nut case media types are mum on the subject of aircraft contrails/ smog trails/ chemtrails. I have seen the same as what you describe, and its been going on for many years now. It is obvious it is an engineered deal, as a kid in the late 50's and through the 60's those contrails never did what they do now. And besides I can now look up and tell, that on some days every cloud in the sky is man made. So how come its only a very few that can see these
"signs in the heavens"? Yeah a bible qoute sorry.

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2010, 10:57:40 AM »
bit more relevant info here

http://www.rense.com/general/stumble.htm

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2010, 12:06:18 PM »
I did see a strange thing last sunday ( In GLD, Netherlands)

Two planes, with two color trails, a white one and a dark one.

Maybe the light?  I don't know....


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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2010, 12:08:35 PM »
A few seconds later, they crossed paths


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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2010, 12:11:34 PM »
And the last one... 


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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2010, 07:50:30 PM »
Cman,
good photos but im speechless
what the hell?

the sprayers have no resistance force
they can do what they like

looks like theyre making a statement........

"see, you stupid assholes......we can do whatever we like and you cant do a thing about it"

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2010, 07:50:30 PM »
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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2010, 08:53:56 PM »
have a look at this patent...

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3899144.pdf

Still doubt?

The patent is missing ???

Edit: It is back.. I had to retype the patent number.. must expire after a set amount of time.

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3899144.pdf

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2010, 08:54:10 PM »
lets say theres 8000 domestic and international aircraft servicing the skies
(im guessing...could be a lot more)

2000 unmarked millitary planes

each requires pilot and 1 co pilot    =20000 people

these guys are not blind. they know types of vapours
they have rear view mirrors

i dare say there should be always a standby pilot for every flight    =10000 people

thats 30 000 people who know something

at least 2 people delivering and filling a "special tank with a certain kind
of extraordinaryfluid"

these 2 people become 6 because of a 24hr shiftwork

these 6 operate in, lets say, 500 airports worldwide   =3000 delivery
drivers/pumpers

thats 33 000 so far

people who know very well what the fluid is and are
responsable for making sure it gets in there and all goes well

1 for each airport 24hr shift system     =1500 people

thats 34 500 so far

every single thing is checked in flying

at least 1 keep-your-mouth-shut-mechanic for every flight    =10000

44,500 people who definitely/probably know theres something
very wrong. that people are being harmed big-time

delivery drivers of chemicals to airport dont count
they dont know what theyre delivering and dont care

same with manufacturing the chemical
all the workers just put this, that and a little bit of something else in
and thats their work. its a good salary.

these are numbers off the top of my head
i dont think im much wrong

about 45,000 people in this world know. they have direct knowledge

there just has to be out of that number, a small handful of people
with conscience---that would testify

then we could nail them in the courts/newspapers

i have a solution, a very alternative/extraordinary one for
locating these people with conscience

i fear that stephan has an active finger for the delete button
id like my suggestion to have a good airing before he hits delete

this is no joke and my ive no intention of making a mockery of this
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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2010, 09:03:18 PM »
Could these not be for weather, but for population control?  Either by shortening lives or by making people sterile.

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2010, 09:04:10 PM »
Well speculating is easy, i give you one for just one person: 

just mix the chemcial additive in the jetfuel

Now you can narrow the people involved down to one!!!!

Tecnically just one person is needed between raffinary plant and plane to add somewhere an addittion to the fuel.

Voila!.

"The best place to hide something is right under youre nose!" 


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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2010, 09:17:02 PM »
Cman,
i take my hat off to you
never thought of that one

i was caught in the polish mechanics saying that
there was a separate tank

mixing it makes perfect sense

its your thought--but is it the reality?

you know that if you put a certain amount of
non combustable chemicals in your cars gas tank

the engines not going to like it very much
we should expect some trouble somewhere for that violation

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Re: GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVES CHEMTRAILS
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2010, 10:27:07 PM »
Cman,
i take my hat off to you
never thought of that one

i was caught in the polish mechanics saying that
there was a separate tank

mixing it makes perfect sense

its your thought--but is it the reality?

you know that if you put a certain amount of
non combustable chemicals in your cars gas tank

the engines not going to like it very much
we should expect some trouble somewhere for that violation

It's just a theorie.

As for the engines, It al depends on the chemicals.  Alu floks will have problems with the fuelfilter. So anything added must be very fine particle or chem/biocal. 

Both, (small particlas and/or chemicals/biocals) can be designed not to harm the engine.


But i'm not convinced (yet) of a mass "poisening" operation!

I do am worried however about wheater modification programs!  Nobody asked my permision, and it is MY weather too!! 

Short time effects ?
Long time effects?
Effects of materials used on human/animal/plant life/water quality...  etc  etc!

If they think it should be done they should have democratic permission from an OPEN debate with all mankind. 

 

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