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Title: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 15, 2008, 07:00:52 PM
Does anyone have any good websites on this?  About twenty years ago I purchased about $1000 worth of Rex Research infolios, showed them to a professor at Devry institute in southern California, and he refused to give them back to me. I recall reading about Tesla's car, that consisted of a thick metal rod (I think it was copper, no?) claimed to act as a radiant energy antenna, connected to a box. It describes Tesla and his Nephew traveling far distances in the car. Also I've read interviews of Tesla's nephew who claims it was real.

Thanks,
PL
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nightlife on December 15, 2008, 08:35:04 PM
Hi Paul, that topic has been discussed in another thread here. I will try to find the thread and post a link to it for you.

 I do recall the thick rod was a antenna and it was also said that there was a reciever used that contained 6 or 12 special made tubes.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 15, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
Thanks!  The tubes sound vaguely familiar. I assume they're some form of a vacuum tube? That's an area of great interested; i.e., vacuum tubes. I can't recall the name of the scientist, but a long time ago he was the one who lite rows of light bulbs using custom vacuum tubes. Ahh, his names on the tip of my tongue. This is great stuff to research!

PL
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 15, 2008, 08:48:18 PM
I just remembered, Thomas Henry moray.

PL
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Paul-R on December 15, 2008, 11:58:06 PM
There is a theory that he was using his Wardenclyffe Tower type
thinking, patent 1,119,732 and a fairly conventional electric car.
Paul-R.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: gyulasun on December 16, 2008, 12:29:30 AM
Thanks!  The tubes sound vaguely familiar. I assume they're some form of a vacuum tube? That's an area of great interested; i.e., vacuum tubes. I can't recall the name of the scientist, but a long time ago he was the one who lite rows of light bulbs using custom vacuum tubes. Ahh, his names on the tip of my tongue. This is great stuff to research!

PL

Hi Paul,

As you found out he was Thomas H. Moray and you can find his books in Windows document files on this link:
http://www.tesla.hu/moray/moray.htm 

The downloadable files with British flags are in English,  not Hungarian. :)

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nightlife on December 16, 2008, 03:58:22 AM
There is a theory that he was using his Wardenclyffe Tower type
thinking, patent 1,119,732 and a fairly conventional electric car.
Paul-R.

 I do not believe so, this car was said to be created in his later days and I believe it was in Colorado. He had been working on other ways of collecting natural energy and he may have figured a way to collect 6 or 12 different natural vibrances and possible combined them to get the power needed to operate the car.
 Another therory would be that he used the tubes to seperate the vibrancy's to get the most vibrant vibrance and used that to power the car.
 Vibrances will cancel each other out and or weaken the higher vibrance creating a medium.

 It's hard to say exactly how it was done if ever it was done. We have not been able to find much about this so called car. Everthing we have is hearsay and even with the hearsay, we still are not given enough to work from.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nightlife on December 16, 2008, 04:06:12 AM
Here is some interesting reading material. Click on each box as it split up by way of the boxes.

http://www.tesla.hu/lebon/forces/index.htm
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 16, 2008, 06:18:54 PM
Thanks for the info and links. I placed the text on Tesla's electric car and what his nephew said about it -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=72.0

PL
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Mark69 on December 16, 2008, 07:13:34 PM
Hey Paul, I would infer to that professor that if he did not return your information, his property might perhaps encounter some sort of misfortune.  See if that would get your information back.  Tell him you know people from Jersey LMAO

Mark
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 16, 2008, 08:52:25 PM
I haven't talked to the guy in ages, but yes I've heard about Jersey folks. Did you watch the Tila Tequila reality show?  One of the contestants, nick named "Jersey," was from Jersey. You don't want to mess with them!

PL
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Mark69 on December 16, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
yeah I saw that.  He was just an instigator tough, it was the other guy that got thrown off that was the bad ass. lol
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 16, 2008, 10:43:12 PM
Yeah, broke that poor guys jaw.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: PaulLowrance on December 18, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
Here are some quotes from an interview with Tesla's Nephew, Peter Savo -->

Quote
Sometime in 1931, Dr Tesla took Peter to Buffalo, NY for the unveiling and final testing of a new kind of automobile. Dr. Tesla acted somewhat mysteriously about it, would tell Peter nothing in advance, and even after he had seen the car, answered some of his questions with "Don't as any questions".

The car turned out to be a standard Pierce Arrow, with the engine removed and certain other components installed instead. The standard Clutch, gear box and drive train remained installed.

Under the hood, there was a brushless electric motor, connected to the engine [?]. The engine was said to measure 40" long by 28" diameter. However, some of these figures may be estimates. Tesla would not divulge who made the motor.

Set into the dash was a "power receiver" consisting of a box measuring about 24" long by 10" wide by 6" high, containing 12 radio tubes. Three of these tubes were model 70-L-7. A vertical antenna consisting of a 6-foot rod, was installed and connected to the power receiver.

The receiver, in turn, was connected to the motor by two heavy, conspicuous cables. Two "spindles" (rods?) about 1/4" diameter by 3" long protruded from the receiver towards the driver. Tesla pushed these in before starting and said: "We now have power". These spindles were in line with the two power cables coming out of the back of the unit and presumable worked to separate power switches.

...

Dr Tesla commented that the receiver had enough reserve power so that you could drive the car next to a house, connect the wiring, and light up the whole house.

...

Peter drove the car for about 50 miles at speeds up to 90 mph (the speedometer was calibrated to 120 mph). Power seemed at least as good as the normal Pierce Arrow engine. Acceleration in second gear seemed particularly good.

...

When Peter questioned the source of the energy to drive the car, Dr Tesla said: "It is a mysterious radiation that comes out of the ether."

...

Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nightlife on June 08, 2009, 08:12:53 AM
Has anyone came up with anything on this yet?

Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: magnetoelastic on June 16, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
Yeah, the 70L7 vacuum tube was not invented until 1939.  The Tesla Car is a myth.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: fuzzytomcat on June 23, 2009, 11:56:18 PM
Has anyone came up with anything on this yet?

hey nightlife,

If you haven't had a chance to check out the thread at Energetic Forum on "Tesla's Wireless Transmission" this and many other items are there all related to his wireless work. The link is kinda in the middle of the 1931 Pierce Arrow .......

 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3573-teslas-wireless-electricity-transmission-5.html#post47929

Regards,
Fuzzy
 :)
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Doug1 on July 14, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
 In reading through the following (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13040608/The-Researches-of-Nikola-Tesla-1894)
 I happened on to a section called OBTAINING DIRECT FROM ALTERNATING CURRENTS pg 409 is the start of that section. Where Tesla explains how he converts ac current into dc current with out diodes or rectifiers but instead uses cores and coils with secondaries as the path for the alternating current and the primary windings to be used for the dc current. If he was using tubes to create a crude inverter from dc (battery) current to which he powered a motor.He could use the above mentioned device to recharge his batteries while powering his motor if the device was placed between the inverter and the motor. The motor then becomes what looks to me to be a tank circuit with which the power is merely bounced back and forth between the batteries and the motor via the device which converts ac to dc. The tubes and four rods in the story which were removed from the magic box in the telsa car could have been the removable parts for the inversion from dc to ac and the moving parts of a custom variac that used the rods for contacts inside coils to control the motor rpm. he does show a tendency to want control over both stator and rotor field strength in his better motor designs to control the power curve and speed of his motors.
  Any thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on July 14, 2009, 08:27:08 PM

hi all
i have studied this for many years and it appeared to me that tesla had made more than one car or motors for cars.
the first was a redesign of the DC motor for edison which were used in the early electric cars in new york.
the second was done about 1918 and was said to run on batteries at the same time it was said that he was working for a colonel stafford near albany new york state and that they were also working with ge or westinghouse on vaccuum tube development at albany.
this car of 1918 was as said to run on batteries and used a unigue fluid transmission so the motor could have been run at a constant speed it was said that the frequency was around 30000 htz if it contained 10 poles it would run about 3000 rpm or so i know that he experimented with generators haveing as many as 250 poles and any genset is a motor.
i have run induction motors with 60 cycle resonance and they do not have a power reduction for the work they can do but the input power is down by or to about 20 percent of normal input if the motor was wound better it may do better check out the rotoverter at.

http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/rotoverter.htm

these folks are doing allot better than me so far with variable frequency drives and replaceing the squirrel cage with permanent magnets so as to achieve a locked rotor statis.

the last car was the one most people talk about but i think it used allot more tech than was mentioned up front a battery would not have seemed very out of place or much worth mentioning unless there wasn't one the fluid transmission could still have been geared to a clutch and pump giving better performance for fluid pressure.

i have allot more that i have collected but it gets bezarre from here so will leave it out it goes along with the joule thief stuff and his antenna tech.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Doug1 on July 16, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
nueview
Do you have any info on the old dc motors?
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on July 16, 2009, 08:03:29 PM
this is what i know about the DC motors that they were made with multiple poles and the commutator angle was altered to 36 degrees.
it sounds more like a universal type of motor i think that searching the early edison patents for the design is the best way to go as the work on these was done for edison and i did find some around the time period that seemed to make sense.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Doug1 on July 17, 2009, 11:43:41 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on July 17, 2009, 09:38:22 PM

hi all
as i said before this is a topic that is most dear to my heart and think it is being covered up by country and industry if people want it they are going to have to work for it as it involves many studies some are most promising butch lafonte added much to the understanding of magnetics for me in ways he may not comprehend as have some of the magnet motor people as well as pirate at this post and IST and many others i want to thank all of them at this point because there perseverance has meant allot to me.
the earth battery ,magnet motors, joule thief, cold fussion, and so many other posts have all donated some small piece of this puzzle about this car and how it truly worked it seems to be getting much easier to understand what was done and a few things are left out still such as the nature of magnetic flow under certain parameters but for the most part i do not think this will hurt the outcome.
the motor design will be most critical and will draw on many disciplines i will try to gather this all together and post as much as i can but you should start by checking out the rotoverter.

martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on July 20, 2009, 10:37:39 PM
hi all
please check this out it is very interesting and believe it goes toward the tesla cars and please giv credit where it is due.

thank you Jesus for your good work on the thread you started.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg192429#msg192429

yours truly
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on July 27, 2009, 07:39:16 PM
hi all

i would like to thank pirate over at the joule thief thread for posting this video pay close attention to what is said.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714

Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 02, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
I find some of the stories have significant differences.
Some say there was 1 12 volt battery, others say noting of it.
Some say the box was mounted up under the dash, some say it was in the front seat.
Some say there was a 6 ft or 1.8 m antenna, others assume the 3 in rods are the antenna, and even go on to figure out the freq of those rods, but not the 6 footer.
Maybe the rods were a capacitor. Maybe they were ant. and the width had some to do with their freq range.
Maybe the 12v bat drove the heaters in the tubes.
Maybe the motor was built a special way.
This all could be able to come together through study of other ideas of Tesla. But it may be a long ride.

Magluvin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 02, 2010, 08:03:53 PM

the rods may not have been for what we think at all perhaps they were a tesla hairpin circuit use to create a standing scalar wave that he could work against with another field. one of the problems with fields is that there is no real binding not like matter  he was aware of this and often left hints to it saying the aether could be firmed with ac so far i have only found this to be partially correct but it still stands as a statement

there is a topic going on about permiability and it would do better to discuss this as some are to educated wanting to cram it down others throats but admit that there are flaws with the system i thought in science you identify a problem and then address it through logical steps this does not seem to be the case anymore.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on January 02, 2010, 08:48:40 PM
Another idea : iron rods were used as cores of adjustable coils. That would require an two oscillators synchronized properly.Very like Tesla made in patents.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 03, 2010, 12:49:42 AM

that raises a very valid point two same resonant fields do not usually occupy the same space much like magnets.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 03, 2010, 06:05:50 AM
We have to also think that maybe the AC motor is a critical part of the circuit.
Has anyone ever read that there was a 6ft/1.8m antenna? Or that there was a 12v bat in the back seat on the floor?
I believe it was one story that it was a 6 footer and another that it was 1.8m, which seem to coincide to be a possible truth.
Magluvin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 03, 2010, 07:25:23 AM

I have read three accounts of electric cars attributed to tesla in my life and two electric boats remote controled.
the first car was for edison electric which supplied motors for electric carraiges in new your prior to 1889 i remember my grandmother talking about riding in one as a young girl this was around 1905 if i am correct but still along time ago they were said to be the best. then i read a story about an engineer who worked for tesla in New York and he said the car in 1918 ran on batteries and had a motor designed to run at 30,000 Hertz with a fluid pump that drove the power train coupled to the motor it is said to have run from new york to Albany on a single charge and then the battery plates needed to be replaced. the third car is the one most talked about from 1939 from all i have read about it it had a box with twelve vacuum tubes and about a six foot antenna and two rods that completed a charging circuit there was no mention of a battery but this point i would not find a great omission as by that time people would expect to see a battery in a car if nothing more than to start it.
the boats are just large scale radio control models as for the patents and other articles i have read using multi wave carrier signals to control different channels for steering and throttle.
mallove believed the rods were similar to what he had created for supplying power.
others seem to think that this was a form of hairpin circuit to pull in radiant energy perhaps from local radio stations.
this is some of what i know about the cars but the time line fits for the work he was doing at the time.
Martin   
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 03, 2010, 08:04:12 AM
It may have been possible that it was drawn from radio stations, but by 1939, the Marconi stations were down and RCA (magnetic) was up. Unless Tesla had a transmitter going at the time. Another thing to consider is that Tesla found a new way of extracting the energy used here. From what we might expect from a Tesla receiver, there would need to be a good earth ground connection. Unless the cars chassis was one that qualified, even a good amount of conductor dragging on the dirt roads couldnt possibly be conventional.
Or could the capacitance of the cars chassis to the earth along with the 6ft ant. possibly be a way of things being portable.

Magluvin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 03, 2010, 09:05:56 AM

well it is pretty hard to keep in mind that the Borg atomic structure didn't come along until after 1910 so electrons weren't a problem in 1918 he was working for the government on radio  and vacuum tubes and there are stories that he learned how to turn off the eyes ability to see and in 1929 he was at a conference and made the statement that he could power the world from Niagara falls he had been asked about the hoover dam being a necessary project. so what did he know i once tried to build as many of his simple early devices as i could including his ring generator it made a square wave output and if wired correctly as in the right way for the desired effect it would make single wire power all it needed was two diodes and it would retrieve power from the line and one could read several volts with the meter and diodes but without the diodes it would produce no effect and the bare wire could be handled without any harm his understanding of how our world works is not common
he also called nuclear energy an abomination and spoke out against it. this man had true insight if we look at his prophecies alone he was very prophetic and very insightful i have read most of what is available about him and his work. some of his power retrieving circuits had to be insulated from ground and worked a quarter wave against a full wave and would charge to over several hundred voltspulled right out of the air he said the air was conductive above 600 volts is that why wire insulation is commonly rated for this voltage?
i would love to have this type of insight to the world of energy.
Martin

P.S. the picture is of the ring generator the rest was disassembled.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 03, 2010, 09:18:35 AM
Thanks Nue
Thats awesome stuff. so from what you know, do you think there was a 6ft ant.? Because up until my post nobody mentioned it.
Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: sparks on January 03, 2010, 01:51:29 PM
   If we have a blocking oscillator it's resistance is infinite to any ac scource that would cause the oscillator to oscillate.
I am not much of an engineer but if there is an ac scource even at low frequency and our oscillator is excited to this frequency then ac voltage will occur in the field of the oscillator.  Tesla built a coil and by careful geometric spacing of the conductors and mass of the copper he has an oscillator which has virtually no resistance losses due to the transmission losses between the inductor and capacitor in a lumped circuit oscillator.  Now about this virtual infinite ac resistor he places a primary.  If you look at his patents for wireless power transmission and forget about the generator end.  The receiver is a blocking oscillator with a coil around it.  The coil around it looks like a loop antennae to me.  Not a transformer secondary.  A receiver that picks up the voltage drop around the blocking oscillator. 
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 03, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
Sparks
Im not sure what that means here. Is it associated with the car setup?
Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 03, 2010, 02:32:47 PM
Sparks
Im not discouraging the post you made, I just want to know how I can relate it to the Tesla car.
Thanks
Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: sparks on January 03, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
   If Tesla had one of these oscillating power capacitors on board.  Back somewhere in his lab he has the other end of the magnifying transmitter functioning.  This is up and going before he gets his receiver going.  The secondary loop antennae or scalar potential receiver around his blocking oscillator is feeeding a highfrequency motor.  The antennae on board the vehicle is capacitively coupled to the Earth .   The scalar ground wavefield is traversed and induces oscillations in his onboard pancake coil. resonant oscillator.  Distance isnt a problem because he has the entire Earth excited into a standing wave field.  The antennae is about 6 feet long so to traverse the node antinode or 1/4 wave length of the standing wave the transmitter would have to be operating at agout 37 megahertz.  These waves are not radiant transverse waves they are standing waves like one would find in a detuned piece of transmission line.  Only reason Tesla did it would be to figure out how much energy was lost because he didnt have a good ground on the moving car.  The voltage pickup on the receiver antennae is a function of the speed  and direction at which the car is moving or traversing the nodes.  This would create a frequncy and direction of current that is really messed up so a resonance system on board would have to be setup at the desired frequency to drive the motor.  The resonant pancake coil on board setup to ring at the frequency the motor is looking for.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on January 04, 2010, 12:41:17 AM
Interesting sparks.Could be possible except Tesla stated that he used cosmic rays.In other case he should state that he is using his wireless power transmission....
Title: c
Post by: sparks on January 04, 2010, 02:02:44 AM
      @Forest

    Maybe tesla didnt have to initiate the standing wave field in the Earth perhaps there is one already.  I beleive in a scalar energy field. Or energy density field.  Currents of pure energy flow from one pole to the other trying to reach balance.  When a star collapses we see the gamma radiation what we are unable to see is the scalar potential energy flowing into the vacated space about the collapsing star.  This is a huge hole in the energydensity field and will draw energy from whatever scources until it is filledup to the background energy levels.  Perhaps an oscillating system within a specific spacetime spot like his geometrically superimposed oscillator can create a relativity to the scalar potential field.  About this field we place various insulator conductor combinations to see what arises on them.  Tesla's radiant energy device seems to be such a device.  Perhaps the Earth exerts some sort of energy densisty pole that draws in power from the Cosmos.
 

Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 04, 2010, 02:53:41 AM

yes i do remember that as part of his statement the cosmic rays moray said the same.
perhaps this is a misnomer you talked about moving through standing waves perhaps the earth is already doing this for us. and yes to the double capacitance as well i built a capacitive generator a while back and done properly it would produce plasma bubbles in a florescent tube i often wonder if this is not what light is all about current compressed at day time in upper atmosphere making it luminous. and drawn away at night dark it could be a matter of properly stressing the field.
the hairpin senario is seeming to become the better concept it this point in time.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 04, 2010, 04:25:53 AM
Good thoughts and ideas guys. I read that after they demolished Teslas lab and tower, that he worked on receivers that were small portable and worked without transmitters. They receive a signal or freq that exists all around us, at ultra high freq.

Very good stuff guys.

Now I imagine that if the devices that received the transmitters freq and converted then to usable power, that they may only need some adjustments, or amplifier circuit, like in the car.

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 04, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Hey guys, I just read some stuff from Bearden about using small amounts of potential from a battery, like taking spoonfuls of water from the ocean, yet not taking electrons from the battery.
In the Secrets Of Cold War Technologies it states that there was a 12v bat. in the car.
Is it possible that he utilized this Bearden Idea?  Bearden suggests using doped copper for the conductors and cap(spoonful from ocean) but that seems like hard to come by materials.
The Bearden material was The Final Secret Of Free Energy.

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 04, 2010, 01:38:19 PM
I have been wanting to build one of these for testing. I used to build saltwater HAWG's for high voltage and this is my variation to a new type HAWG called a Leyden Battery Capacitor.

if you can use it then please use it. it should give high voltage a very serious crack to it.

I must warn you though, if you handle high density capacitors of this type they can deliver a lethal discharge and burn you and possibly stop your heart, always short out the terminals with a resistor when not in use.

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 04, 2010, 08:42:32 PM

interesting design on the leyden jar i have not seen one like that before.
i know what you mean about a burn did it myself a few times by accident i was using distilled water as the dielectric in jars coated with foil one inside the other and water between them i used plastic peanut butter jars so yes i understand.

i see some of you are at the hairpin post and there are many talking about the joule thief circuit i guess it is a matter of how we look at things but it seems to me it is a form of hairpin circuit already.
as it seems to stack the magnetic in the toroid ferrite bead i think the idea of the hairpin is to get the current to oscillate in place there should then be some values required for the standing wave to tune

i want to make a post there but need to get all my thoughts together first and would require so many pictures that i have lost due to computer crash.

Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 04, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
I would have to say that I am more interested in deriving power like Tesla did toward the end, using small receivers that make use of what has been there all the time, rather than inducing it then reconverting back to usable power. And maybe that is just how it was all the time and Tesla just didnt realize that in the beginning. In the end he had it down pat. But what pat?  lol   But the secret is in the patents. If he was able to receive what he transmitted, then from there he only had to find the "sweet spot" as Mylow would say. In Dollards vid, he claimed a set of freq that we need to look into. I have to go back and view it again.

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 04, 2010, 10:05:07 PM

our group here has been working on resonant induction motors and driving generators with the motor several problems have become evident and there are small clues i have collected about this we are looking for off the grid power like the lockridge device 300 watts all day 24/7 would be great for the batteries and add units as need goes up that is our goal.

Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Sounds great Martin
Any clues you can share? I have to look into this device you talk about.
I have an 85 Fiero that is ready for an electric conversion. I could install a good dc motor like a Warp 9 or an Advance dc 9 in. The ac induction are attractive for the efficiency, but expensive along with the controlers.
Im not holding out till a free energy device to charge or run it is available, I just have a choice to make.
But it would be great to replace the ac controller with Teslas box of goodies, wouldnt it? =]

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 05, 2010, 02:32:58 PM

i would love to just be able to charge a good size battery bank for my inverter guess it is all the same in the end just need some peace from the corps.
i wish i knew back when i was doing some other projects what i know now but nobody was taking me serious back then either i think the effect that everyone is looking for can be seen in a relatively pure state from a capacitive generator i may have to go back and fix mine most of the recent discoveries about radiant energy it demonstrated but it was a long time ago and i did not know what i know now about this form of energy and its effects.
i also made a connection to the ancient cultures about energy as well but it may seem really stupid but will through it out as brought it up all the ancient cultures maintained a earth air fire and water energy cabal and i was watching some you tube videos on sound and they were altering flames then i saw a vid on the hairpin and water being made solid and a hutchinson vid about making metal fluid and for some reason it all seemed to come together in my mind about what the ancients were talking about simple devices and ways of looking at the energy if could convert it to modern fire is a plasma reaction air is gasses water are liquids and earth are solids.
jeanna on the other post it correct on one point high voltage impressed on the air can make you deff it can also make you think you are hearing voices it was discovered that voltage systems on the head can cause the dee to hear through impressed voltage it is called a vodophone.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 04:18:03 PM
Hey martin
Im not very interested in big loud sparks either. Im thinking small, portable, a way to get good effects silently if possible. But the idea of obtaining the effects is there and scalable. Im sure the ancients had their ways of extracting energies that we dont really know about today, at least most of us.
I have a gift of figuring things out and I really wasted plenty of time doing other things in my life. But now this is a passion that I intend to take advantage of for the rest of my life. I suppose I matured late. =I But Im here and ready for anything.

Thanks for sharing

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 05, 2010, 07:35:38 PM

I think we are on the same page i have been at this for 30 years with a passion but there is so much junk and to many engineers with the it doesn't work attitude rather than take a serious look. but i am not dealing with them any more i am building a site with my group working with and for people wanting to get off the grid and we are designing low velocity windmills right now and allot of other things as well cold fussion heaters  and alternator gensets.
there is a kind of toroid that is wound to take advantage of the B and H field interaction and i can't remember what it is called  any help would be appreciated as we want to try it with the steorn motor using steel cores but i can't remember what it was called i have been looking in the juole thief thread for it but it is allot to look through for a few posts.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
I would like to get with you guys when you get going. That would be cool. =]
Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 07:40:50 PM
Is it the rodin coil?
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 05, 2010, 08:09:54 PM
 Thats it had me stumped real good sometimes the old brain just sticks
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 08:17:04 PM
=]

I never made one but had seen a few on yt.
What are they good for?
The b n h fields, I need someone to explain.  I know a lot but not everything.

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on January 05, 2010, 08:54:53 PM

the B-H fields are the magnetic doughnut and run at right angles to each other to start real simple they seem to be a derivative of two energies in motion bound about each other forming matter.http://www.theresonanceproject.org/
this is the best place to start.
Martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 05, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
I have two tubes of powdered Graphite, now all I need is two medicine bottles of slightly different dimensions so I can assemble the Leyden Battery Capacitor I showed earlier, I don't have a MFD meter on hand so I'll have to figure that one out later.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 09:10:10 PM
Thanks Nue
I gota get to work, Ill rap at ya later   Are you checking out the prize thread?  That is just crazy.  Copy that stuff while you can before the whole internet is shut down because of it.
I had a vision once about being able to make the force on the electrons in a coil stronger and faster and the angles of the windings like he has. My vision had steeper angles but he says he got it. That is just crazy.
Before he had shown the pics he said that the accelerated secondary thing and it just clicked and then i saw the pics and I was blown away.



Magsvisions
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on January 05, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
And I dont even know my b from h yet, go figure.  =]
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: nueview on October 11, 2010, 07:57:51 PM
hi all
sorry for the long time between posts here but it has taken some time and needed it to see what is going on and evaluate the new tech and some of my own research on this.
if i follow all the Tesla tech i come to a simple conclusion after much studying that the pierce arrow is not as simple or as complicated as has been made out though there are some misleading facts in the whole tale about his car.
after looking at don smiths work it appears this is most likely the route Tesla took the number of vacuum tubes adds up as does the recharging for the battery the antenna is more or less a distractant in my opinion and the motor seems to be a resonant wound with an energized core to limit power into the squirrel cage rotor he shows these motor designs in his patents and also shows it could be done with higher frequency using a greater number of poles and using less winding by spreading the coil inductance over a greater number of pole slots and with neodymium magnets this is very possible eliminating this input to the rotor which was necessary for his time due to magnet strength.
the two rods are more than likely for the hairpin resonator for the high voltage high current oscillations.
the antenna's only function at this point would be for cooling and i will not explain this as it is not necessary for the unit at this time.
thank you all for reading i am just passing on some information and hope it helps those who are interested.
martin
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 29, 2012, 05:17:38 AM
Driving that car for 20 miles and up to 70mph, would require some substantial horsepower. Maybe in the dozens? Not sure how heavy that car was but sure it was not the most aerodynamic.
Looking at the specs of the tube rectifiers, they seem have a max power of 5 watts each for the filament
http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_70l7gt.html (http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_70l7gt.html)
more here
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/70L7%20GT%20HALF%20WAVE%20RECTIFIER%20CIRCUITS-datasheet.html (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/70L7%20GT%20HALF%20WAVE%20RECTIFIER%20CIRCUITS-datasheet.html)
Even 12 of them in a parallel configuration, can they handle the power requirements?
Thanks
Mike
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: e2matrix on March 29, 2012, 08:31:12 AM
One horsepower is IIRC about 746 watts.  So in normal electric power obviously the tubes would not cut it.  However if he was using radiant energy that would be a whole different story.  I'll assume he was using radiant energy with a motor that could run from RE.  There is also some controversy over whether he actually used the 70L7 tubes. 
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on March 29, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
The answer is simpler then you think. Motor was not ORDINARY motor, but modified. Now imagine 200W input amplification to 35kW INSIDE motor as a torque due to HUGE magnetic field GAIN.
See it ? Case closed.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: truesearch on March 29, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
@forest:

I like the sound of that explanation. Exactly how would we go about building this so it would work?

truesearch
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on March 29, 2012, 04:59:07 PM
@forest:

I like the sound of that explanation. Exactly how would we go about building this so it would work?

truesearch


Look for Tariel Kapanadze videos then adapt, it is all Tesla methods
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on March 29, 2012, 09:34:30 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I am of the impression that each time the rotor's windings in a DC motor are energized (induction), followed by the magnetic field's collapse, we have CEMF, which is actually radiant energy. Contemporary motors are designed to kill the CEMF, are they not?
Might Tesla's motor have harnessed the influx of RE from the collapsing spikes/mag field?
 
In this way, the aether itself is our real battery, with an endless supply of RE. All we need to do is to disturb it in the proper way with an imbalance (spike), and have a means to allow its radiant energy to rush into the system to give us real power.
 
I remember reading about Tesla inserting the steel rods into his little power box in the Pierce Arrow. Makes me think of Doc Stiffler tuning his finely wound SEC coils with ferrite rods to ge the proper frequency for resonance to power the SEC.
 
I wonder if there's a link that can be made between the rods for frequency tuning and the rest of Tesla's setup. If the rods slid into coils, could they have provided enough power to get some induction going?  Maybe whatever voltage developed with rods and coils might've been passed into tubes for stepping up before going to the electric motor?
 
Bob
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Farmhand on March 30, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Is there any reason to believe Tesla did not use a Tesla switch with four large batteries to power the motor ?
The batteries also being recharged all the time by a radiant energy collector like all the connected metal sheets on the car,
with the frame as the virtual ground.

If connected the right way wouldn't an induction motor become a generator when the car is decelerating as well ?

Where is the info about this from Tesla himself ? Or is the story just a story told by Tesla's nephew ?

Was Tesla's nephew wise in the ways of Tesla ? As in did he understand Tesla's Tech ?

What was the net uphill verses downhill distance on the trip Tesla took ? Was it more uphill than down or more downhill than up ?

What is it that makes people think if this story was true, that there would be no batteries. Tesla used batteries a lot.

I have yet to see any "official" information about this Pierce Arrow experiment.

Tesla was a smart man and if the story is true he was determined not to show people actually how it worked.
So in my opinion all the things he was seen to do were probably distractions anyway to hide the true nature of his invention.
That's what i would have done.

Cheers


Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 04, 2012, 03:41:17 AM
...  There is also some controversy over whether he actually used the 70L7 tubes.
Hi e2matrix
Yes, according to at least one other account the 201A type were used, but they were of same order of magnitude in power handling capability as the 70L7.
 
The answer is simpler then you think. Motor was not ORDINARY motor, but modified. Now imagine 200W input amplification to 35kW INSIDE motor as a torque due to HUGE magnetic field GAIN.
See it ? Case closed.
Hi forest,
Do you have link or any book references regarding the amplification inside the motor and its modifications?
Thanks
Mike
 
BTW, the Lost Science book, has some pretty interesting/intriguing presentations about Tesla and many others.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on April 04, 2012, 05:50:46 AM
I also believe as Forest does. I think the ac induction motor was modified some way.

Being an AC motor, he most likely used the motor windings as the L in LC. but where was the C?  Bifilar wound motor?  ;]  If he had the motor windings in resonance, it should be extremely efficient.

Not sure. Just ideas.  ;]

mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 21, 2012, 05:13:24 AM
I finally found something I had read a few years back about the possibility of Tesla using tubes in his "power box."  Not the most authoritative source, but it may shed light on some possibilities.  See:
http://keelynet.com/energy/teslafe2.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/teslafe2.htm)
Bob
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Jakob Larsen on April 21, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
I know that this is a little out of the subject but could anyone please help me to credible info about mr. Tesla and this meeting with the great pyramids of Giza(especially the sowecalled kheops pyramid) - please have patience wiht my poor english.

(if it could be of any interrest i would like to be helpfull with the TTP V12 project - but how and where (i am an electrician and radiomekanic.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 21, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Jakob,
I don't know if this helps with your question:
Quote
it can be seen then that the arc length separation between Tesla’s lab and the equator is harmonically tied in to the arc length separation between the Great Pyramid and the equator, via the primary numeric sequence of the sexagesimal system. And with it already previously shown that the latitude placement of the Great Pyramid has a distinct tie-in to the current Earth tropical year (x10) pulsation rate, that such an ‘ideal’ ratio of 1.296 (162/125) connects up the Great Pyramid latitude to that of the transmitter station established by Tesla; it is quite conceivable therefore that he was applying the same scientific principles of resonance applicable to the Earth, as the ancient Egyptians who built the Great pyramid.

Just as Tesla sought to construct a means to wirelessly transmit power, so too did the ancients with their own device in their own age. In both cases though, it was actively discovered that the physical placement of a power plant, in order that it achieve an optimum level of efficiency to tap into the natural power of the Earth through resonance, was dependent upon the device being situated at a special arc length of separation between it and the equator. Only certain key resonant intervals that cover the earth may be chosen. Any arbitrary placement would result in a very weak if not fatally flawed power plant.
Taken from:
http://www.ancient-world-mysteries.com/tesla.html (http://www.ancient-world-mysteries.com/tesla.html)
Bob
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 22, 2012, 02:38:19 PM
Anyway, back to topic ...just wondering if anyone has any comment on Jerry Decker's thoughts about Tesla and the tubes he might have used in this car, at this keelynet link:
  http://keelynet.com/energy/teslafe2.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/teslafe2.htm)   I'm intrigued here, because if Steven Mark's TPU used tubes as well (as some say), then perhaps we need to look at this element more closely. I will post anything else I find on this item.
Bob 
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 22, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
Frequency, tubes, earth's magnetic field...
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 22, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
One more thing before running out the door...
The metal rods inserted into the power box keeps nagging at me. Reminds me of Doc Stiffler tuning his SEC coils with barium ferrite rods. Could Tesla's rods have served a similar purpose - maybe provided a minimum amount of voltage to tubes (a "kick"? [ hee haw :)]).
B
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on April 23, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
Metal rods could be anything. It reminds me old patent by Daniel McFarland Cook for example
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 23, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
Quote
Metal rods could be anything. It reminds me old patent by Daniel McFarland Cook for example
Quite right. Interestingly, your reference to Cook's patent seems to lend plausibility to my theory:
http://www.magneticunipole.com/CookElectroMagneticBattery.html (http://www.magneticunipole.com/CookElectroMagneticBattery.html)
Bob
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: forest on April 23, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
I'm not sure I should tell you this before I confirm all in details. Daniel McFarland Cook device is almost the same as Ed Leedscalnin generator and take 4 pairs and you will have Hubbard generator or more and you will got Hendershot generator.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: truesearch on April 24, 2012, 04:42:01 PM
Is anyone working on duplicating the "Daniel McFarland Cook device" experiments?

truesearch
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Bob Smith on April 25, 2012, 01:44:31 AM
DM Cook, S Mark, Hendershot, Leedskalnin, Hubbard, perhaps Doc Stiffler with his barium ferrite rods in coils, Tesla with his rods in the car (maybe sliding into coils)?
They all seem to be doing similar things.
 
Reading the Cook patent again raises the issue of runaway power for me, as was raised in some of the TPU discussions. That can be easily solved with a fuse. 
 
Home Depot sells iron pipe; rods and copper wire not hard to find...
I can't get at this with another project taking my spare time, but hope to later on.
Bob
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on April 25, 2012, 02:45:52 AM
Most likely it is best to start with a motor as a load. An AC induction motor, as claimed in the stories.

I think Tesla used a modified motor. Maybe not but just thinking.

Since it is AC, there should be a freq we could get it to resonate at with proper capacitance added, via external or bifi capacitance within the motor. Tesla knew he could get capacitance in the windings right where it needs to be.

So once one gets the motor to run on minimum input then proceed with developing a driver. The driver maybe doesnt need tubes. Maybe there are 10 ways it could be done. Maybe the tubes are more efficient at doing it, maybe not.

Tesla was all about efficiency. I would be willing to bet that he made sure he had the most efficient motor he could devise at the time, this reducing the need of a driver that would have to provide power to a 3ft long by 2ft 80hp ac induction motor. ;] A lot of the ones we have today(ebay shows many varieties) seem just about that size for 80hp

It is possible that if he didnt use a modified motor that his driver might be much more than a box under the dash with 12 tubes, etc.

Maybe there is something to learn from in his motor patents.

Ive read that AC induction motors took a left turn in how they were made at one point as to make them not easily modified or converted. Less possibilities for resonance.

What was it, rotoverter? that they would add caps to make the motor put out about as much with 110vac as it would at 220 or 330?  Id have to look it up again. Some vids out there. Im sure there is room for further improvements.

Just thinkin.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on April 25, 2012, 04:44:40 AM
Ever see one of those small AC fans in a microwave oven? The same that were used in phonographs to drive the turn table.  Ive looked for info on just how they work. There isnt that much about them. Maybe Im not the best searcher. ;]

The armature is solid I believe with what seems to be a combination of copper and iron made in diagonal sections. Then you have the stator in a U shaped core with the input coil, of many turns, wound toward the bottom of the U. The inner side of the left and right legs are shaped to fit closely to each side of the armature.

The part I hadnt found an answer to is the shorted copper turns of large gauge wire that somehow bridge the small gaps between the left and right legs.

If you have seen one then you know what Im saying.

Im going to dig out my microwave fan and look into this more.

When I try to imagine Tesla using the coils in motors as part or whole LC  circuits, I remember trying to get that lil motor to do some ringing, but didnt have much luck. So Im wondering if those shorted windings impede the ring I tried to get. Maybe I was doing it wrong.  :o ;D
I figure that those shorted windings must have something to do with causing a phase shift and or producing its own field as a function to get the rotor to spin. I think.

Oh well, Ill look at it here in a few days when I get the motor out of storage. Im working off and on on 3 projects, but always room for something fresh. ;]

I figure that it is an AC induction motor that can be easily had for all to experiment with, if they are interested in this topic.  If you can do it small and cheap, the big expensive will come. ;]   learn to understand the AC motors.

Then there are things to try. open the shorts to see what happens. Try different size wire and more turns. Connect them to each other! lol  I dunno, be creative. ;]  Bifi the input coil. Or connect a cap across the input coil as a stand alone lc then wind a few turns of thicker wire around the original winding and discharge caps into that. All Tesla stuff as ingredients.

Anything that MIGHT make it run better. Who knows. ;] It can be a beginning for this thread. A project.  If someone wants to try larger motors, just be careful. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: sparks on April 25, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
The motor your describing is an induction motor.  The heavy copper turn is shorted.  The current induced in this coil lags the line current.   This first shades the magnetism in that portion of the pole face and then due to its current lag makes the steel it surrounds more magnetized than the rest of the pole face. (all within a 1/2 cycle).   The rotor sees a magnetic pole shift from the unshaded towards the shaded portion of the stator.  The generated currents on the rotor cause magnetic poles in its steel that try to catch up to the apparent rotating magnetic field produced in the stator.  It's called a shaded pole induction motor.
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Farmhand on April 25, 2012, 05:30:03 AM
Hi Magluvin, I had a play with one of those with the idea of using one for a rotary spark gap motor. Interesting little motors, I think they are "shaded pole" motors.

Just a couple of notes I made without series driving caps big reactions occur back to the low voltage winding of the supply transformer.
If the frequency is raised to high for the winding the power input drops off and so does shaft power, I found at 200 Hz I could easily stop the shaft at that stage there is less 12 watts input, they are designed for 60 Hz the original windings are high impedance obviously. Good things I noticed was that if the frequency increase is small and instant the motor shaft speed increase is almost instantaneous (without slipping) providing the motor is not overloaded. And they are synchronous with the supply.

here's the video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPli7vKSwEY

Just thought I would share incase it helps.

Cheers
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on April 25, 2012, 06:05:32 AM
Hey Farmhand

Thanks.  Shaded pole.  I have heard it so many times and never thought about it. I just looked up wiki and it seems to make sense.  It said triac variable-speed controls would work for your motor.

I had a few record players when I was a kid. Never took interest in exactly how they worked or ac motors in general. Was a dc kid. ;]  But now I have interest.

Thanks for the thoughts and info.

Maybe if you rewound the coil with larger wire and less turns it might work at higher freq. 

Ill get the one I have and try some things. I wont break the shades.  8)



Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Farmhand on April 25, 2012, 07:44:58 AM
Sparks and I replied at almost the same time. :)  Yeah I was thinking about rewinding one and I cut the thin wire off it but then I got sidetracked. Again.
I've got a couple of old twin tub washing machines and I can see one of the small motors in one looks like a similar motor but more like a normal motor, it's all open though I'm hoping to get it out tomorrow. It looks interesting.

Cheers
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Magluvin on April 25, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Yes, I just had seen that Sparks posted too. Thanks Sparks,

Hey Farmhand

There may be other parts in the motors that are say Tuned for 60hz, but the first thing that I see easily is the input stator coil. Like a large inductor for a woofer in a home speaker cabinet. It doesnt let high freq get to the woofer. So I can see already that this coil would do the same. Im grabbing my motor tomorrow.
Found a bit more on the shaded pole stuff. The wiki is not definitive enough for me.

Makes me wonder how many shades there could be to make it better, or worse.

Mags
Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: blindsangamon on July 20, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
I think we're missing the bigger mystery - that of Tesla's time machine.  How else did he obtain 70L7 vacuum tubes - not invented until 1939 - for use in his car in 1931?

Title: Re: Tesla Car and his nephew
Post by: Tesluh on February 21, 2018, 06:34:46 AM
A vacuum tube and a vacuum capacitor (tesla's invention) look curiously similar to the casual observer.