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Title: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: supermuble on December 15, 2008, 05:17:16 AM
I've heard of solid state Bedini circuits. But does anyone have plans?
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: guruji on December 19, 2008, 08:48:40 PM
HI Supermuble yes there are schematics you have to browse in this forum.I had found one in the past.
Search more.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: Paul-R on December 20, 2008, 03:47:30 PM
I've heard of solid state Bedini circuits. But does anyone have plans?
Is this what they call the MEG, Motionless Electromagnetic Generator?
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf
Paul.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: Bob Smith on December 20, 2008, 04:51:45 PM
Supermumbule,
If you do stumble
Upon this thread humble: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4057.msg75477#msg75477
Just give it a tumble
And your problems may crumble. :)

I think it is based on Bedini-like principles. Groundloop would be the best person to comment on it.
It's a great RE charger.
Good luck!
Bobby Smith
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: SteveOll on January 22, 2009, 12:12:55 AM
I have just finished building the solid state device this evening. I have been sternly warned not to give out the schematic to anyone, but it is available in the Bedini-Bearden Free Energy Generation book.

I decided to test the output with the source 12V battery before attaching the destination battery. The circuit output terminals gives approx 205-211 Volts DC and the trifilar coilsgive a constant high pitched whine "Deeeeeeeeeeeeeee".

When I connect the destination battery (a small 12V 18Ah battery) to the circuit the 200 v reading disappears and the voltage started rising over the past half and hour from 10.40V to 13.16V (currently) on the destination battery. Also I checked and found that the circuit produces NO CURRENT when it is charging. Most noticeable is that the sound given off by the coils has changed to a "De-de-de-de-de-de-de" sound while still at the same pitch as before - maybe this is the voltage pulsing like the Stan Meyer circuit?

I will continue to monitor this...

-Steve
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: supermuble on January 22, 2009, 05:25:01 AM
Ok, I built a prototype.

I have found that if you are getting a high pitched loud whine coming from the coil, then you are using current. The louder the whine, the more current. You can take a 1 ohm resistor and place it across your leads. With a 1 ohm resistor on the charging output wire, you should see the voltage drop to a level that is less than 1 volt. This is per Bedini's recommendation. He might have changed his methods since this information was presented though.

My circuit puts out about 95% of the power that is inputted. I am only losing about 5% of the energy through heating the coil windings, the transistors get slightly warm, and there are other various losses. I am using black sand and expoxy for the core and a trifilar winding as well. The over unity comes from the batteries, at least that is what is supposed to happen, if you have good batteries. These chargers will boil a battery in about 5 or 10 minutes once it is fully charged and you hook it up. I have less about somewhere between 0.25 and 1.00 ohms resistance across the coil windings - they are hooked in paralell with 3 TIP3055 transistors. I'm only getting 150 volts regardless of the current input. But this charges about 100 times better than a tiny coil putting out 400 volts. Using thicker wire charges must faster, even with less voltage. With this charger, I also charged 4 AA batteries.



Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 22, 2009, 06:17:31 AM
Terrorists beware!~
 ;D


Now, what exactly is a Bedini machine anyway -I've hear these rumor's that the machine is a hoax.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: jas_bir77 on January 22, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
can you post the scamatics so that we can try this circuit.
what is your input vs. output in terms of cop.
who’s  circuit is it anyway.
thanks in advance.
Ok, I built a prototype.

I have found that if you are getting a high pitched loud whine coming from the coil, then you are using current. The louder the whine, the more current. You can take a 1 ohm resistor and place it across your leads. With a 1 ohm resistor on the charging output wire, you should see the voltage drop to a level that is less than 1 volt. This is per Bedini's recommendation. He might have changed his methods since this information was presented though.

My circuit puts out about 95% of the power that is inputted. I am only losing about 5% of the energy through heating the coil windings, the transistors get slightly warm, and there are other various losses. I am using black sand and expoxy for the core and a trifilar winding as well. The over unity comes from the batteries, at least that is what is supposed to happen, if you have good batteries. These chargers will boil a battery in about 5 or 10 minutes once it is fully charged and you hook it up. I have less about somewhere between 0.25 and 1.00 ohms resistance across the coil windings - they are hooked in paralell with 3 TIP3055 transistors. I'm only getting 150 volts regardless of the current input. But this charges about 100 times better than a tiny coil putting out 400 volts. Using thicker wire charges must faster, even with less voltage. With this charger, I also charged 4 AA batteries.




Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: SteveOll on January 23, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
Hmmm, not tried the 1 ohm resistor yet, but I had the setup 'charging' for 24 hrs and then I hooked up the 'charged' battery to a 300W inverter. Unfortunately it seems that there is only a surface charge applied to the battery as it would not power an 8W device and the inverter low battery alarm came on and checking the battery voltage it was 10.4 volts.

I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or do I need to keep trying to charge with the bedini, or do I need to try charging with a traditional charger inbetween using the bedini?

Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: supermuble on January 23, 2009, 08:41:07 PM
I call radiant chargers "Bedini" chargers, since John Bedini has studied this type of charging more than any other public figure that i know of.

Radiant charging, or Bedini charging, is simply high voltage, low current charging. The energy comes from the collapsing magnetic field in a given coil of wire. When a coil collapses, you get something called "flyback voltage" which is not the same as "back EMF" Back EMF carries current, which is in opposition to the applied current. Flyback voltage is very quick and reaches very high voltages.

Back EMF will occur when you gradually reduce the magnetic flux in a given coil of wire. Flyback voltage occurs when you "rapidly" switch off the magnetic field in a given inductor coil. Rapid switching can damage to sensitive components since rapid DC voltages in inductors causes high flyback voltages to be created in a given inductor (coil of wire). You can use flyback voltage to charge batteries. This is called "radiant charging." Radiant charging has very high voltage, but low current, so you cannot damage your batteries by overheating them, or overcharging them. High voltage tends to desulphate the battery, even when the battery is tested and found to be defective. Flyback voltage charges a battery, regardless of the internal resistance of the battery. If the battery is old and crusty, the flyback voltage doesn't care, it sends the same high voltage into the battery and forces it to charge.

I am NOT an expert on radiant charging and have very little experience. So as to why it works so good for charging batteries, I won't try to go into anymore detail. The schematic I used is shown at the link above in this post.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: supermuble on January 31, 2013, 01:59:50 AM
Hi guys, just a follow up. I noticed this article is still here, and it's been 4 years, that's the beauty of the web! Everything you type stays forever.


After countless tests I came up with a very powerful radiant charger called the HHO Pulse Charger V2.0, it uses off the shelf parts. Take a look at my youtube videos to see it in operation.


Search for HHO Pulse Charger V2.0


Or visit my webstore click here for instructions. http://ritalie.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=14 (http://ritalie.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=14)
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2013, 03:09:30 AM
Hey Super

One thing you can do to improve your 'sales' of PDFs is to give more details in your vid.

Theres probably one detail that was incorrect. The 10 diodes in parallel are really the opposite of the HV diode from the microwave. The microwave diode has diodes in series to increase the 'Peak Inverse Voltage', but the amp rating is about 1 amp, about equal to one UF4007 diode. Your 10 diodes in parallel have a bout a 10 amp rating as a whole at 1000v PIV. The microwave diode is in the range of 9KV PIV but still only at 1 amp. In the microwave transformer, the the diode is used on the secondary, the winding with the fine wire and many turns.

So the MW diode can be used in place of the single UF4007 and probably be a better choice as the secondary voltages of that transformer(if the input is 120v) can be near or even over 2KV. The UF4007 is only 1KV. Or you can use 2 or 3 in series to increase the PIV to 2k or 3k, just to be safe. ;)

Ok, back to the more details....

I see that you are not 'fully' describing the circuit(schematic, etc.), otherwise people wont need to buy your PDF for $20. 

But without some important details, like what is the input consumption of the device vs the quantity of gas produced.  These things wont hurt sales or give any secrets.

Also showing such a short run time is a bit discouraging. I dont think Ive ever seen a run time as short in vids of HHO.   ;)

Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: tarcius on February 22, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
here is some plans that i bought and willing to share with everybody.

In pdf u have plans for simple solid state bedini circuit.

(admin: Removed due to copyright issues)
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: baroutologos on February 23, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Radiant power! How lovely does it sound. Actually, almost any newphy in the OU quest starts with Bedini's contraptions and fancy terminology and with the correct dosage of conspiry theories tend to be mystified by simple facts that an experienced in the electric/electronic profession can hardly be amazed.


Bedini's radiant chargers are nothing more that pulse chargers that exhibit desulfating properties (they are many better desulfators or battery rejuvenators than Bedini's as the AC desulfator ) hence rejuvenate old batteries.


Sorry but cant help it. Every time that i see, radiant this and radiant that, a smell a book seller!!


Cheers,


Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: DomiChi on March 17, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Terrorists beware!~
 ;D


Now, what exactly is a Bedini machine anyway -I've hear these rumor's that the machine is a hoax.
Look at http://rpmgt.org/JoinBediniList.htm. If it was a hoax they certainly not propose help to get it working.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: TinselKoala on March 18, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Look at http://rpmgt.org/JoinBediniList.htm (http://rpmgt.org/JoinBediniList.htm). If it was a hoax they certainly not propose help to get it working.

Rather depends on your definitions, doesn't it? Certainly Bedini's various machines "work". And just as certainly... nobody, nowhere, including Bedini, has ever gotten any free energy or overunity performance from them, in spite of all the years, all the variations, all the "replications" and all the claims.

They are fun to play with though, and they can temporarily restore sulfated batteries, but I'll wager that they have killed more batteries than they have revived, all total.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: morfes2 on March 19, 2013, 01:20:22 AM
here is some plans that i bought and willing to share with everybody.

In pdf u have plans for simple solid state bedini circuit.

hi
 i want to thank you very much for your file. keep up

Mo
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: MileHigh on March 19, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Once you set up your solid state charger there is an easy way to measure its average output power.  Simply replace the charging battery with a large capacitor in parallel with a variable or fixed resistor.  Run the charger and measure the DC voltage across the capacitor after everything stabilizes.  So the average power P = Vsquared/R.  If you choose a large enough capacitor and the right resistor then you might see a stable voltage say above five volts and less than 100 volts.  If you change the resistor value the capacitor voltage will change and your power calculation will remain approximately the same.  You must be careful not to over-voltage a large electrolytic capacitor.

Once you have measured your average output power then you will know how much energy that you have put into the charging battery over a certain period of time because energy = average power x charging time.  Also, you can measure the pulsing frequency and then derive the energy per pulse going into the charging battery = average power x pulse period.

If you are a real keener then you can charge and discharge your batteries and measure your energy put into the battery and compare it with the energy that you can get out of the battery.

Suppose you take a guess that your average output power is 5 watts.  Let's assume that you have a 20000 uF 50-volt electrolytic capacitor.  If you use a 500-ohm resistor the V = sqrt(PxR).   So the voltage will be about 50 volts.  That's the borderline voltage for the capacitor, so let's change the resistor to 400 ohms.  Then the capacitor voltage stabilizes at about 44.7 volts.

If you are going to make a guess that the average output power is 5 watts then you need to make a 5-watt resistor.  You might have some 1-watt resistors hanging around to do that.  For example, five 2K-ohm resistors in parallel will give you a 400 ohm resistor.

The RC discharge time constant for the capacitor in parallel with the resistor is 400 x 20000E-6 = 8 seconds.  Therefore, if your pulse frequency is about 1 Hz, the 20000 uF capacitor in parallel with the 500 ohm resistor will act like a good smoothing filter and the voltage across the capacitor will be DC with a small noticeable ripple.  If your pulse frequency is 10 Hz or faster then the voltage across the capacitor will be very close to pure DC.
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: casstete on August 13, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
Once you set up your solid state charger there is an easy way to measure its average output power.  Simply replace the charging battery with a large capacitor
... blabla bla

bla bla bla bla .

You guys are jokers , you suppose to be Hero Members and you have no clue about what radiant chargers are doing and where they are drawing the power AND YOUR FIRST SENTENCE PROVES MY POINT !

If you think you can measure the accurate output or COP from a Bedini charger with a capacitor you have no idea how it all works .

But you have loads to say about radiant charger like the other "Hero Member"

The COP is in the Battery ... and it CAN NOT be replaced by anything except for

Living things , Water & maybe nano crystalline materials

a.p. Bedini nothing but Lead Batteries ! And without these Batteries you DON'T GET OVERUNITY !



Shouldn't be too hard for all you "specialist" .... "Hero Members" to actually TEST !

Don't look for the output from the Chargers ... look at backend .... how much can you draw from Batteries vs input .

Not Rocket science & you don';t need much electrical engineering skills just tools , time and a hand full of $
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: casstete on August 13, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
hi
 i want to thank you very much for your file. keep up

Mo

I know supermuble and he is a excellent guy that spend years on developing his device with countless parts burning up & needing to be replaced .

Tarcius is a dick & copy right infringing . File should be removed & user banned .

Punks will not download Torrents cause they scared by upload files by honest hard working simple guys ... trying to understand what you people never will cause you to ignorant and all the posts here prove it .

I mean you don't even understand that the overunity comes from the way the cells in the Batteries react and how they absorb energy from their environment .

AND BEDINI SAYS IT SO MANY TIMES .

NOOO you have Hero Member suggesting CAPACITORS .... MUAHAH ... come on guys you not serious or you work for GE trying to Bullshit the rest of us honest people !

CAUSE Supermuble is so honest he has been giving the 90 day moneyback guarantee to punks like Tarcius .

Funny thing is they still way to thick to build them however simple they are !
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: tarcius on January 23, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
So my book that i posted in my previous post got removed by admin.
That's ok because i discovered my own solid state bedini charger and i am giving it here for free.

I also don't have money and parts and burn them like others but i am not selfish bastard that charge for technology which in turn could prove benificial to mankind.
This forum should not protect people that asks money and sell books here. That is just wrong on FREE energy forum.
This forum should not be about that, but about finding way to convert one kind of readily available energy to another but with use of free tools (eg. information)

But enough about that i am not here to get in conflict with anyone if admins like this way then ok.

here is my very simple way to test and build solid state radiant charger with readily available parts.

I get around 135 V spikes from circuit.
Circuit itself consumes 1.4 W with no load connected
Transistor never gets hot no matter what you connect at output.
So far i run bright LEDs, charged big capacitors, charged some small batteries and even saw some tiny sparks.
What is interesting is that i never saw my neon light lit which is odd.
Now to my instructions:

I used this  shematic
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5676/cl8u.jpg

Used fans exactly like these ones:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8518/qtyu.jpg
One is 80mm other is 120 mm standard pc fan:

My setup looks like this right now and works.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2896/pi7k.jpg

I marked wires with numbers 1-4 and also added numbers to first fan core poles to show where wires are connected.
Number 1 wire goes to the potentiometer.
Number 2 wire goes to the colector
Number 3 wire goes to the (-) output and (+) input
Number 4 wire goes to the emiter

The resistor that i added goes between wire (1) and potentiometer and his value is 560 Ohm
You may not need this resistor as you may have different potentiometer range but this setup works without this resistor.

If setup do not start when connecting power supply try set potentiometer to min value.

when you hear faint whining from cores than it's operational.
if someone knows how this circuit operates and what are the relation with second fan core and why this works in solid state please comment.

If someone have additional questions feel free to ask.
And yes please be kind. this was build very quickly and i know it look's terrible design but hey it works feel free to improve and post results here.

Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: TinselKoala on January 23, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
Please start with two batteries that are the same kind, one depleted and one fully charged.

1. Measure the voltage open-circuit of each battery and record it, compute the average (V1 + V2)/2  and record that.

2. Then run the charger. When the charged battery is fully charged, disconnect and measure the voltages of both batteries as before, record the voltages and compute the average and record that.

3. Then swap the batteries and run the charger. Go to Step 2.

4. Continue looping this way for at least 10 iterations.

5. Plot the average voltages you have computed in Steps 2 against the "swap number".

6. Report your results here.


Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: mscoffman on January 23, 2014, 05:37:34 PM



One additional thing I think should be done is to apply a high current dummy resistive
load, such as an incandescent headlamp, sized for the battery, for one or two
seconds, then turn off, before measuring the open circuit voltage of a battery.
I  think this dummy load current would break through the *surface charge* voltage
and would represent more of a realistic battery voltage. This could easily be done
under control of a microcomputer. The microcontroller might want to attribute the
energy lost to the dummy load to the battery charge. The microcontroller might want to
limit the number of battery voltage readings per unit time and use voltage estimates
at other times. This dummy load measurement would need be taken into account
if one expects to see a low charge rate of overunity energy out of a circuit. What
I am saying is one may need to use a certain amount of sophisication in measuring
potential overunity energy deposited in acid/lead batteries.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Solid State Bedini Charger - Easy to Build
Post by: Farmhand on January 23, 2014, 09:50:02 PM
Also the batteries should be new or near new and both in the same condition. This was recommended in one of their battery charging test procedures. The reason I think that is important is that sulfated batteries will likely gain capacity as the process goes on, and that gain in battery capacity can mean more energy out of the battery after few runs, some potential can be "locked up" in sulfated batteries I think. If desulfating them makes them work better then it might look like extra energy when it isn't.

Cheers

P.S. It is important to note that John Bedini went to capacitor dump charging in preference to the direct diode method. My guess is for reasons of better charging.

..

The Bedini system using a capacitor or even a battery is basically "Boost converter" technology. A boost converter with a circuit to dump the cap to break up the DC to the battery into pulses.

Attachment 1 below is a Picaxe controlled solar battery conditioner schematic, it takes the 20 volts of the solar panels and uses that to charge a capacitor which it dumps to the battery at about 17 volts in full charge mode at whatever frequency is required to deal with the power.

Then when the solar input becomes less than 16 volts or so, the input is then switched through a coil "in the boost converter style" then dumped to the battery from about 22 to 26 volts depending on how it is adjusted.

The picaxe senses voltages and when the battery reaches full charge the system goes into float mode and trickles enough power to keep the battery at 13.8 volts, if the battery is then loaded it goes back to charging mode.

I had to teach myself enough Basic to program the picaxe to do what I wanted it to.

When the sun is faded or morning afternoon the battery is conditioned with 24 volt cap dumps at varying frequency depending on the input from the panels. This is a leave and forget system with no overcharging of batteries and free input.

I see no difference to the Bedini switching and dumping circuits. It's old tech with lashing of hype and innuendo.

With a small change the solar circuit becomes a boost converter proper and with max current and max voltage control. See attachement 2

Cheers