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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 119752 times)

Offline stivep

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #195 on: August 20, 2022, 04:41:22 PM »
West, the stronghold of democracy,this fact is not very worried. :)
// Buddha // said //to achieve complete happiness and harmony,
 one must desire nothing.
Yes, and Christ also did not care much about bodily and material comfort. ;)
Simplicity in Life - meditation,  simple life. "Simplicity in Life Increases Happiness"
-Eating, smearing, shitting, all around from the branch of the tree evolved into shitting on someone
  due to human animal  evolutionary expansion, but some monkeys are still on the trees, - join them.
-Buddhas,expansion lossed to Christ-ianity fighting with Mohammed-ines for domination, and yet
 unrecognized by physics God, didn't then even give them modern toilet yet , leaving open and unanswered physics question:
 If God is "three in one" (dogma) -  than how many penises does he have 3 or 1 - assuming that Christ didn't have vagina as 1/3 of a God .
 Is by that he a man? 1/3 of the man? or just a *****?

Yes, and Christ also did not care much about bodily and material comfort. ;) 
Smartphone wasn't yet invented, and miracles were at the technicality level ,- modern 10 years old boy would  laugh from,
while 18 years old would just go to near liquor store so the happy crowd can get "religiously" drunk as they preferred wine over water.

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Talking about overunity and systems:
-it was a system indeed. Will you know/Know you will- that something is over you
overviewing and possibly punishing based on his/it's own comfort-  like "our" King, Tzar, Emperor - the decider.
-the very core of overunity of Imperialism.

West, the stronghold of democracy,this fact is not very worried.
Yes, . Russia is outside of our system . - Feudal dictatorship Russia is dreaming about becoming Imperial again,
 but for us it is  just an ancient history.
Wesley

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #196 on: August 20, 2022, 04:50:18 PM »
AlienGrey: You may not understand what I wrote correctly, so don't get the wrong conclusions. My language is very complicated if I wish.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #197 on: August 20, 2022, 05:48:01 PM »
Wesley: // na wschodzie. Ta gangrena //ogłupiony naród nie tylko wódką //
 na zarzuty ruskich o faszyzm //nawet niemcy zgłupieli jaką formę przybrało to określenie.
Filozofia - matka nauk. nie  tyle okresla  bandyte, jak jego role w systemie.
Niech i tam zgni*a  ...za cierpienie mojego dziadka i za Katyn.
Wesley
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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #198 on: August 20, 2022, 06:17:16 PM »
Wesley and others keep asking where is the energy cumming from
you forget your exciting the electrons in a Tesla coil and accelerating them at the same time
Re Henry moray sea of energy doc.
Sil
Inventor may not know why it works when he  already knows that it works.
Revolution comes, not with me talking about energy extraction
but with the successful replications by others not associated with me.

Exciting the electrons, doesn't come for free, unless:
–Your Tesla coil acting as a receiver is able to receive something that is of value to us
(Electrical energy)  completely ignoring who or what is delivering it and why.

The source:
If it's a nature, (Schumann waveguide)we don't care
If it's flow of a River, the sun, we don't care
If it's windmill, oil,  gas, we do care.

The solution:
-go to the mountains, buy the land, use some stream or river, make electricity for free.
-go outside the village, buy the land, build the windmill, or put farm of solar panels make electricity for free.
-take $50 of electrical wire, 3 months of reading, my forums, extracting energy from Shuman waveguide
 and send me, with or without ugly words, to the place I do really belong according to you.,

Or just sit in your butt, playing  lotto, and hope that something would change.
:)
 Wesley.
 

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #199 on: August 20, 2022, 06:31:15 PM »
To głupi ludzie myślący, że używający młotka do wszystkiego zawsze osiągną cel. Oni nigdy i za nic nie przepraszali i myślisz, że coś to zmieni, a jeśli nawet to spodziewasz się, że zrozumieją? ale co ? przecież oni zawsze mają swoją racje. Nie robią tego z głupoty ale z nastawienia no, a potem z przyzwyczajenia już. To jak z piciem wódy do upadłego ale po co przestać skoro jeszcze się leje.

Mogą w każdej chwili przestać i się wycofać ale oni będą walić do upadłego. Gdyby nie ich straszaki to już dawno ...aina by wygrała i co więcej zrobiła by wpierdol tym .wysynom.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2022, 06:44:44 PM »
   Wesley:   We are already aware that you will not show us any actual proof of free energy devices yourself, nor of wireless transmission, even across the street. So, can you provide a link to someone that has harvested energy from the ambient, and that can do more than light a tiny led. I would like to see it, not just hear about it. As those are Tesla ideas, of which I can comprehend.   There are still many things that we don't understand, as yet. And many things still hidden from us, today, as well.   Help us to discover the useful and the needed part, in all of this. Free energy from the ambient...

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #201 on: August 20, 2022, 07:51:07 PM »
  So, can you provide a link to someone that has harvested energy from the ambient,
NickZ
If they agree than why not.
But it is not ambient.
It is specific and very much precise unless phenomena i question can be explained
differently.
Has not much to do with ambient by lacking-(not coming up with) property described by word "immediate"

Definition of "ambient":
 "relating to the immediate surroundings of something"
what-does-ambient-
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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #202 on: August 20, 2022, 08:50:47 PM »
  Wesley:
   Seams like words don't do justice to describe things like the Aether. Nor can we see it nor measure it, as yet.
   To me the "surrounding ambient", described by Tesla, as differing from man made or sent signals.
    Cosmic frequencies, found everywhere. Cosmic energies, you might say. Including our own Earth Resonant frequency, such as you have mentioned, as well.
   Perhaps we can't prove Free Energy at this time. But, we can learn how to harvest it, for our own use, for now,  without getting killed.

   NickZ

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #203 on: September 24, 2022, 09:47:33 AM »
   Wesley:   We are already aware that you will not show us any actual proof of free energy devices yourself, nor of wireless transmission, even across the street. So, can you provide a link to someone that has harvested energy from the ambient, and that can do more than light a tiny led. I would like to see it, not just hear about it. As those are Tesla ideas, of which I can comprehend.   There are still many things that we don't understand, as yet. And many things still hidden from us, today, as well.   Help us to discover the useful and the needed part, in all of this. Free energy from the ambient...

   NickZ


Define free energy. Free, as in we have to personally not connect any batteries or electrical plugs to power a device that puts out more energy than WE put in?


Easy one is solar cells, or even a wind or water powered generator.


If you are talking about harvesting known but different sources of energy, such as drawing electricity from the natural electric field of the earth?


Tesla's patents are available and on file, go build one. The principles are quite basic, but the necessary device would be quite huge for useful amounts. But then again, Tesla never was accused of thinking small.


If you are talking about converting a currently unknown energy source, then by definition it will be hit and miss until we understand what is being converted to a form usable to us for our purposes, since we don't yet understand it, just like electricity in the very early stages of exploration of the subject. It took humanity how long to figure out reliable ways of generating static electricity, even though we saw lightning regularly, knowing full well a force was there?


If you are expecting COP>1, well then quit looking, as it doesn't exist except as ignorance of both the experimenter and measurer. A modern common solar cell taken back in time to 1800 would have been considered witchcraft to the scientists of the day, because they did not understand that light could be converted directly into electricity. They would have measured COP>1 from such a device in complete wonder and amazement, as the photovoltaic effect had not even been discovered yet.


A measurement of COP>1 just demonstrates that something interesting is yet to be discovered and the device is providing a clue to its existence, not that physics is being somehow being attacked, changed, or violated.


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #204 on: September 24, 2022, 09:58:34 AM »
I never thought that my understanding and learning of wilderness survival would be comparable in any way to my knowledge and understanding of physics.


Go figure.


When I want to find something new in wilderness survival, I watch kids or aboriginal tribes, not supposed experts. Why?


They don't know what "can't be done" so they end up doing it anyway, often in very creative and inventive manners.


The same is true in physics on topics like this.


When I want to find something interesting or truly new, I watch those who don't know or don't believe "it can't be done."


The rest, in both topics, tend to be blinded by presumption and confirmation bias.


Just like with wilderness survival, you may have to wade through tons of failed attempts to find something new, but if you look long enough you will generally find new methods, approaches, or techniques to accomplishing a task.


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #205 on: September 25, 2022, 04:32:18 AM »

'Free electrons'
 
The mob have invested and high jacked the "generation" of electricity, even though Free electrons are already there for the picking

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #206 on: September 29, 2022, 05:39:53 PM »
  Wesley:
   Seams like words don't do justice to describe things like the Aether. Nor can we see it nor measure it, as yet.
   To me the "surrounding ambient", described by Tesla, as differing from man made or sent signals.
    Cosmic frequencies, found everywhere. Cosmic energies, you might say. Including our own Earth Resonant frequency, such as you have mentioned, as well.
   Perhaps we can't prove Free Energy at this time. But, we can learn how to harvest it, for our own use, for now,  without getting killed.

   NickZ


Amazing, isn't it?


People can call it spacetime or they can call it the Aether, or even invisible peanut butter for all I care, lol. The simple fact is that whatever the name, if fully encloses everything (not like a sheet denting), and is full of background noise, which we call energy. Everything from radio waves spanning the entire scale, to electric fields surrounding anything with a magnetic field, or vice-versa. As far as the harvesting, that is more probable than improbable, however it cannot be by definition easy or the sources in question would already be drained. Just as nature hates a vacuum, so does it hate energy imbalance. If the sources were easy to access, then natural processes would have shorted them out long ago. For instance, electrons are unruly little turkeys. They will, individually speaking, jump willy-nilly to any oppositely charged area at the earliest possible time, yet it requires force and planning to get them to obey and dutifully travel down a wire to do your will. Give them one opportunity, and they will take their own route instead. Onomatopoeia aside, their actions denote a singular mind in that they always follow the easiest route to ground, and if allowed to ground (IE equalize potential within an unbalanced system), they will.


There is no reason to assume any other energy source would not follow the same general pattern of behavior. Good for us, because it means natural imbalances can exist, but bad for us in the sense that we have to figure out how to make said energy go from point A to point B down a specified and desired path created by us for a purpose, and convert to a form that we can use.


I have already figured out that the phenomena that some call "reverse energy" or "back EMF" to quote a few titles is a different form of energy than electricity. If I am right, electrical flow is not unipolar, but is in fact a bipolar system, in that as electricity flows down the wire one direction, and opposite charge of a different type flows in the opposite direction. It would probably have it's own fields at 180 degrees out from the normal magnetic and electric, and would be completely camouflaged because we only expect and look for the electric effects. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, even in a situation such as a superconductor. Resistance to electron flow is not equal and opposite by any sense of the word, and for the topic under discussion, neither is inertia as applied to electron flow.


The flow of said energy may well be the cause of gravity for all we know, which could explain why the magnetic and gravitic fields are so similar. Gravity is only a dent in a sheet for someone who cannot think three dimensionally. Science doesn't get the luxury of playing flatland in a three dimensional construct. In three dimensions, gravity pulls equally from all directions in relation to the mass, not just in the galactic plane. If you apply the dented sheet analogy to every point on a sphere and then combine the effects, then the "dent" is neutralized. The supposed "dent" then becomes a homogenized sphere of spacetime around a spherical mass. The dented sheet notion is based upon giving one plane of reference preference over another with each iteration.


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #207 on: October 21, 2022, 07:52:48 PM »
Here's a definition. Although it may likely get deleted, still there is a backup copy (see, below).

I've been warned that my recent contribution to WikiBooks will be deleted since it is offensive to someone's sensibilities:
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"This is original research of the most egregious kind trying to pretend that the laws of physics are a fantasy. It doesn't belong here."

Backed up here.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #208 on: October 24, 2022, 12:03:49 PM »
Free Energy is that energy which comes at no cost to the system.


Overunity is a self-defeating fallacy. Here is why:
The moment something if defined as “OU”, we instantly look for the source.
Once the source is defined/discovered, the system falls outside of OU.


Two entirely different concepts.


You can have free energy, without overunity.
Example: two sympathetically interacting magnetic systems.
Neither is giving the other any “energy”.
The energy comes from Momenti interactions, independent of either system themselves.
Both systems increase their energy as a result.
We see this in space all the time, more difficult to produce here on earth buy can be done.


But this is not overunity, because we know where the energy comes from.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #209 on: November 25, 2022, 10:56:02 PM »

Sorry, thought I would jump in on this one. Overunity, by definition, is the Coefficient Of Power (COP)>1 within a closed system, which, within a closed system should not be possible. The equations should balance upon both sides.

They cannot balance if the real portion of input is reduced to a mere catalyst (nano or pico watts) and no exit is allowed so as to discourage (ie, prevent) the formation of the normal orientation of the flow of current. The model I wish to conjure up for you consists of an open transmission line in which one of its terminals is terminated by a closed, self-shorted transmission line (a closed loop). The open line sets the stage for the reversal of current which will manifest within the shorted transmission line. And if there is any energy available, nearby, for stealing, then this architecture will steal it. But, if there is no energy, nearby, then this architecture will manifest its own negative watts from its catalytic condition of starvation and constriction of movement.

The conventional view is that current will be in alignment with voltage, more or less, not greater than plus or minus 90 degrees of temporal angular displacement between the two. But my non-conventional view induces coils to become generators rather than consumers since current is *forced* to become inverted to voltage.

Under the weird conditions which I am proposing, current *must invert itself* to head for the only exit. This will be through the same portal through which it came in since no other portal (of inlet or exit) is provided by design. Please see ...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oscillations_of_Radiant_Energy_due_to_throwing_away_most_of_the_input..png

... which is very similar to ...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_wireless_power_theory_-_Electrical_Experimenter_Feb_1919.png

Hence, current is now displaced from voltage by 180 degrees of displacement causing it to amass a greater difference in voltage rather than depleting/equalizing differences in voltage. This is in conformity with the passive sign convention for the generation of power without ever suspecting that passive components, which are reactive (such as: coils and capacitors) can become active and generate power without having to first store that energy, especially: inductors, and without any significant prime mover providing the energy from outside of the electrical system. This is due to ... (see next comment)


It has to be a closed system, in that all inputs of energy HAVE TO BE KNOWN and accounted for. The purpose for shielding in electronics is to remove energy coming in from outside a circuit, for example. If the outside source is unknown on an unshielded circuit, then COP>1 seems to be broached, but in fact has not. In this case, the "system" under examination is too small in scope. 


Overunity does not and cannot exist in reality, and has no bearing upon how much energy is intended to flow in the system, but is determined by whatever energy can act upon a system, intentional and unintentional, known or unknown.

My version of electrical overunity is when electrical reactance is seen as a potentiality which, like a cookie cutter, makes clones of itself upon whatever energy passes through it.

Forget, for the moment, of reactance performing a service of merely storing energy on a temporary basis within the complex number field. This is true, except what happens whenever the input of real power is kept ridiculously low by intention and no exit is allowed for current to flow? Under these conditions, when it comes time to square a complex number, the real input continues to shrink and the imaginary portion becomes a negative value and accumulates serving as the causation for the growth of negative watts within passive coils (not being rotated; just sitting there). The complex portion continues to just "hang around" until it gets its chance to generate more negative watts while the real input continues to thermodynamically shrink (due to various resistances acting against that real input of power) and the complex portion continues to be retained in abeyance until the next cycle of oscillation does something with it.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Block_Diagram

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#A_Low_Input_Power

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Voltage_Drop


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