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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 112748 times)

Offline alan

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #180 on: August 14, 2022, 02:11:18 PM »
Humans aren't animals, most of us are reprobate sinners and therefore look like beasts to others. Thank God for the Cross, by his stripes we are healed from this sickness. 
'vanity, definitely someones favorite sin'

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #181 on: August 19, 2022, 02:58:27 AM »

Hello Wayne,

It has been a while since you last posted here.  I think the last time was when Mark E. passed...  What a sad and unexpected event that was for those of us who he was willing to try and assist.

Thank you for the lengthy and descriptive post.  It obviously took quite a bit of your time and effort!  I enjoyed reading it.  Even though I don't fully understand it.  But as you say, most will not, right?

I am still very interested to better understand your Energy systems.  I have tried several times and have always done so from the classical Engineering/Physics perspective that starts with the real world observation that ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED.

Unfortunately, if I do the math using the equations that define the universe based on that observation, I always get results that say what you would expect:  That energy cannot be created or destroyed. 

So it is kind of an infinite loop of logic!

Can you help me better to understand what you have learned?  Or perhaps show an actual experiment that displays the physical properties that I have yet to be able to grasp?

Thanks,

M.


Sorry, thought I would jump in on this one. Overunity, by definition, is the Coefficient Of Power (COP)>1 within a closed system, which, within a closed system should not be possible. The equations should balance upon both sides.


Everything is fine unless a system is demonstrated that seems to show COP>1 -- at this point a person assumes that the laws of physics are being violated, by training. The problem with this logic is that it is not the only possibility, therefore is an example of an Appeal to Probability, assuming that all conditions for the particular law of thermodynamics are met in order for the law to apply.  Also, the accuracy of the base assumptions must be questioned as well. What, you may ask?


It has to be a closed system, in that all inputs of energy HAVE TO BE KNOWN and accounted for. The purpose for shielding in electronics is to remove energy coming in from outside a circuit, for example. If the outside source is unknown on an unshielded circuit, then COP>1 seems to be broached, but in fact has not. In this case, the "system" under examination is too small in scope. 


Overunity does not and cannot exist in reality, and has no bearing upon how much energy is intended to flow in the system, but is determined by whatever energy can act upon a system, intentional and unintentional, known or unknown.


The problem with measurement comes in base assumptions. Heat, for instance, is a very poor standard to use to measure energy within a system. For instance, place 1 gram of water in a beaker over a bunsen burner and raise that water one degree Celsius and you have expended one calorie. Right? Wrong. Most of the heat applied by the flame from the burner is lost to the environment and absorbed by the glass container itself. The concept of the system is extremely lossy and inefficient so is not a good standard to use to measure. Even with different heat systems measuring energy use is inefficient due to the properties of heat itself (rises in a material preventing even heating over time, does not spread evenly, etc., etc., etc.)


This breaks down to a problem in that COP>1 can simply be due to an efficient system in comparison against an inherently inefficient measuring standard.


The knee jerk illogical response is to just assume whoever thinks they have achieved overunity is somehow a scammer or an idiot, another appeal to probability.


Assuming that all possible forms of energy are known is just modernistic egotism and has nothing to do with actual logic OR science. It breaks down to proof by assertion combined with an appeal to probability, fallacy of the single cause, all based upon an appeal to incredulity. If that fails, then the position changes to an appeal to the stone followed by an appeal to ignorance.


Unfortunately, that summates much of what passes for modern skepticism as well in most cases I have seen. There is no real logic or reason involved, the positions are mostly derived emotionally instead of evidentially driven. An evidentially driven conclusion is derived despite one's current understanding: specifically the data creates and modifies the conclusions instead of being viewed in a manner that fits any particular conclusion.


As far as energy neither being created nor destroyed? Someone better inform the proponents and adherents of the Big Bang theory about that.


Paul Andrulis








 

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #182 on: August 19, 2022, 02:25:55 PM »
Dear Paul Andrulis

You presented absolutely amazing language skills.
- great confidence in logic, or to say, art.

Thank you very much for your comment.
 Wesley

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #183 on: August 19, 2022, 05:20:00 PM »
In fact, we are looking for a fuel that costs nothing or very little.
Nobody wants to overthrow the laws of physics with superunity, although this law is only temporary.
Our universe is expanding so how does this affect energy?
Is it increasing too? or maybe it reduces? or maybe it's the same all the time?
I'm not interested in the universe because I don't know what's on the tip of my nose.
These are all just laws in which we find ourselves. If they are changed, we may not notice it because we are here.
The gravitational attraction is 0.9 and the other on Saturn so it's not a law but a dependence but you say it's also a law so why COP> 1 can't exist?

It depends what you think is COP> 1.

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« Reply #184 on: August 19, 2022, 06:21:30 PM »
we are looking for a fuel that costs
Nobody wants to overthrow the laws of physics with superunity, although this law is only temporary.
Our universe is expanding so how does this affect energy?
Universe DOES NOT gain more energy through its expansion.https://www.quora.com/Is-energy-increasing-with-the-expansion-of-the-universehttps://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-does-the-expanding-universe-affect-matter-energy.770884/

//laws we find ourselves. If they are changed, we may not notice it because we are here.
If you make an experiment that violates the laws of physics, you just caused a change in the laws of physics. You would know it and we will check it.
-We May
Make Changes you only originate them.


The gravitational attraction is 0.9 and the other on Saturn so it's not a law but a dependence but you say it's also a law so why COP> 1 can't exist?
It depends what you think is COP> 1.
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Even though Saturn has much more mass than Earth, second in the Solar System only to Jupiter, it also has the lowest density of all the planets in the Solar System. When you spread that mass across the entire volume of Saturn, the actual gravity pulling at any spot on the surface is only 91% of Earth’s gravity. In other words, if your bathroom scale said 100 kg on Earth, it would say 92 kg on the “surface” of Saturn.
https://www.universetoday.com/15323/gravity-on-saturn/

"In physics, the relationship between mass and energy in a rest frame of the system is the mass-energy equivalence, in which two values can only be different by the unit of measurement and a constant. Mass-energy equivalence implies that, even though the total mass of a system changes, the total energy and momentum remain constant"
https://www.vedantu.com/physics/mass-energy-equivalence

conclusion:

energy can turn to mass and reverse.
It's not that mass and energy "can change back and forth". They are literally equivalent ways of talking about the same thing (assuming the particle is not moving). If something has mass than it also has energy and vice-versa.
By that you can't get more energy from mass and reverse.
So overunity is just an absurd of few individuals in this forum too.
COP> 1. can only be seen as local phenomena:
e.g your boss paid you today..

where nobody knows that you had work  for it 1 week.
-however world of finances has so many exclusion from world of physics,
and can joke from it.
Wesley

Offline r2fpl

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #185 on: August 19, 2022, 06:34:45 PM »
If the universe is expanding, energy must change as well. Because something has to fill this space.
What I'm saying is that the universe is not closed and there is no 100% energy available.

I repeat: it does not matter what we call the electricity generation process, because it will always be only a conversion process. We get it.

So we are looking for free fuel, only or which is in abundance and we do not know how to use it. That's all.
The rest is competition in catching a fish in an aquarium.

If my air conditioner converts heat to cold and does it more efficiently than COP> 1 then it is only to calculate the energy loss for which I have to pay. Nothing more. No matter what it is called, it is important that it costs less for us. Unless you are a philosopher of the word :)

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #186 on: August 19, 2022, 07:06:54 PM »
The expansion of the universe is the increase in distance between any two given gravitationally unbound parts of the observable universe with time.
 The total amount of energy is still a conserved quantity, even in an expanding universe based on a positive and constant energy density, and even under the rapid exponential expansion during inflation, total amount of energy is conserved.

Phenomena of your air conditioner are just local phenomena, touched by me in my previous comment. Speed    is fundamentally a local phenomena.
Free Fall is fundamentally a local phenomena.
All our notions of energy are derived from an acquaintance with local phenomena,
So as long as you are paid by your father  your air conditioner  and your life is for free or even COP> 1
When condition of your  Free energy (energy for free)changes  you will see it not from the perspective of local observer but from the perspective of  an observer looking at it from outside of the system. 

Wesley

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #187 on: August 19, 2022, 08:28:33 PM »
Sometimes it's nice to talk about the clouds, where I see a dog and someone else a horse. Who is wrong?
:each of us and none of us.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #188 on: August 19, 2022, 08:37:58 PM »
So as long as you are paid by your father  your air conditioner  and your life is for free or even COP> 1
When condition of your  Free energy (energy for free)changes  you will see it not from the perspective of local observer but from the perspective of  an observer looking at it from outside of the system. 
Нам на лекциях по психологии и педагогике ещё в советские времена,говорили.
Уровень вашего комфорта(счастья)( достатка) зависит от уровня ваших притязаний.
Немного меньше запросов,и требований,и вы будете счастливы.
But  a Western person needs bodily comfort . Give them warm toilets.
They want to  they need to relieve themselves in a residential area.
And it is most goal of their life.
Phew, какая мерзость. :-\

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #189 on: August 19, 2022, 09:07:18 PM »
Нам на лекциях по психологии и педагогике ещё в советские времена,говорили.
Уровень вашего комфорта(счастья)( достатка) зависит от уровня ваших притязаний.
Немного меньше запросов,и требований,и вы будете счастливы.
But  a Western person needs bodily comfort . Give them warm toilets.
They want to  they need to relieve themselves in a residential area.
And it is most goal of their life.
Phew, какая мерзость. :-\

That's why you use a computer and not a goose pen.
It's just a matter of choice and availability.
Do you ride your horse for shopping?
They tell you that you have to live like this, but that's not true. Everyone has a choice if he has, and if he has no choice then he is a slave greater than the others. Of course, each of us is a slave to different things too.
Rich people / oligarchs use all the best things available but they tell you you don't need it like we do.

It all depends if you need it, but don't tell others you don't like it, that's your opinion.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #190 on: August 19, 2022, 11:08:57 PM »
That's why you use a computer and not a goose pen.
It's just a matter of choice and availability.
Do you ride your horse for shopping?
I do absolutely agree. Thank you for your comment.
Rich people / oligarchs use all the best things available but they tell you you don't need it like we do.
That reminds me  Jimboot accusation, that I am racist, and I don't like  Russians. - absolutely untrue , false and incorrect:
I have no time for your racist ramblings.
https://youtu.be/7Ldus3AQSpE?t=758
This video covers, systems and its rules. including physical systems.

_____________________________________________________________


Imagine that you woke up  in  absolutely horror like, sick reality where everything is awkward.
- terror is now unnoticed, ...like this ever present pain, you got used to it.
- You have rights, that in Russia are violated  with no punishment,  to punishers.
- protesting, not protesting, talking, not talking, naming war - war, and peace-peace or mentioning peace,
  instead of calling it "Special Operation" in Ukraine, or standing alone on the street. with empty piece of paper in your hands
  can cost you 15 years in prison, in solitary confinement, or forced labor camp.
  https://youtu.be/wHAD09-OvfY?t=59
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbzV1it1YPY 


- bribes, corruption, tortures, poisoning,  early morning the raids to your home, by special police, because they
  caught you on camera , 200meters from protest area, or you just look suspicious to snitches.
  Snitching On Everyone is a norm there   often with nonexistent reasons. Just for place in kindergarten for your kid.
  Arrested for wearing yellow shoes while in blue  T-shirt  or anything that is blue. ( colors of Ukrainian flag)
  All of that  is "normal", "typical" "common", for you, but not for your  oppressors, and oligarchs.
  placing the button  "I like it"( hand up) under someone comment in social media,may lead to a jail time up to 16 years.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHAD09-OvfY
 
https://youtu.be/51w94CVBTBE?t=2
Woman can be beaten and detain for holding flowers in "wrong color."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMuAZXwLgc0


And this is how your Russian prison life may look like.
  https://youtu.be/2OLvQ3m9sM0?t=198


  Average monthly income is lower than in  Papula New Guinea . ~<180/mo
  And yet, 81% of you the Russians supports  that  seek reality, and  war against Ukraine,
  condemning Western world and its values.
Phew, какая мерзость. :-\
  Tell us kolbacict  that this is not true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you? ??? ?
  https://www.joemygod.com/2022/04/russian-poll-says-81-of-russians-now-support-war/
    putin-s-approval-rises-to-81-among-russians-since-invasion-of-ukraine-
 


 21st-century paradox. Here and Now.
  The overunity  - where unit is you and they are over you.
  THE SYSTEM !!!!!
 
note: opinion expressed is my own according to US constitution.
Wesley
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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #191 on: August 20, 2022, 10:47:21 AM »
Do you ride your horse for shopping?
I usually use this transport.
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Imagine that you woke up  in  absolutely horror like, sick reality where everything is awkward.
Some of us wake up like this every morning.
But the West, the stronghold of democracy,this fact is not very worried. :)
And the Buddha also said that in order to achieve complete happiness and harmony,
 one must desire nothing.Yes, and Christ also did not care much about bodily and material comfort. ;)

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« Reply #192 on: August 20, 2022, 12:57:44 PM »
I usually use this transport.Some of us wake up like this every morning.
But the West, the stronghold of democracy,this fact is not very worried. :)
And the Buddha also said that in order to achieve complete happiness and harmony,
 one must desire nothing.Yes, and Christ also did not care much about bodily and material comfort. ;)

The bike is also for convenience :)

Man has two arms and two legs. Is the third hand comfort? no ! making life easier. Can't we do this? and where is the border?

In the past, such a bike was a dream not only of children but also of adults .... everyone. The richest man would then give a fortune for him.
Now such a bike for you is available for little money, but the latest car for a lot of money.
There are people who want everything now, and there are people who want nothing, and there are people who are not religious. They just don't do anything or they are poor in their country that is robbing them or threatening to kill them. This is not only happening in Africa anymore.
It's still your choice. People from Africa have fled and are in every country in the world and they live much better than they used to on earth without food and water.
I understand what you want to tell us, but I'm afraid there is another man behind these words telling you what to say.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #193 on: August 20, 2022, 01:14:40 PM »
Wesley: Ostatnio modne jest przekręcanie znaczeń słów szczególnie na wschodzie. Ta gangrena idzie nie tylko od nich ale rozlewa się wszędzie. Kolor czarny od białego nie różni się już niczym wg niektórych i oni nam wmawiają, że mają racje. Jak widać ogłupiony naród nie tylko wódką może być ale i słowem, a  to jest niepokojące znacznie bardziej.
To samo tyczy się oklepanego rasizmu który jak faszyzm zmienia się z czarnego na biały i odwrotnie.
Podobało mi się wystąpienie jakiegoś niemca który na zarzuty ruskich o faszyzm na ua powiedział: halo ale ty my jesteśmy specjalistami od nazizmu. To pokazuje dosadnie, że nawet niemcy zgłupieli jaką formę przybrało to określenie.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #194 on: August 20, 2022, 02:58:09 PM »
Lets all know what your saying, Re Quote
The same is true of cliche racism which, like fascism, turns from black to white and vice versa.
I liked the speech of a German who, on the Russian accusations of fascism, said: hello, but we are specialists on Nazism. This shows bluntly that even the Germans got confused about what form this term took.
Re un Quote

The problem with a cycle /bike is in any country what do you do with the bike when you get cut short and want a wee, take it in with you because when you get out No bike ! even worse if it's an electric bike  assuming you can afford such a thing, now there is a thought a Tesla bike running on the Free energy.

PS back to the thread have you ever thought the modules in Ruslans device might not be in the correct order, re his scope shots and sharks animations. Think about it.

Also wile i think about it Wesley and others keep asking where is the energy cumming from
you forget your exciting the electrons in a Tesla coil and excelorating them at the same time
Re Henry moray sea of energy doc.

Sil