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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 80384 times)

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #135 on: December 03, 2012, 03:43:09 AM »
bullshit! a bunch of bessler links do NOTHING to forward an agreeable definition of the word 'overunity'.

we get it that you are obsessed with bessler, we have seen you spamming those very same links wherever you can on this forum...  ::)

you are not on topic unless you are helping present an agreeable definition. and posting links to your favorite obsession does NOTHING to forward a definition. you do know what a dictionary is do you not? then you should understand what a definition is...  ::)

Hello it's not spamming,its self realisation towards real freeeergy Technology.I haven't uncovered the exact concept due to patent reasions,but have fully explained with proofs the analogy of my engine concepts.It took me years of work,many sleepless nights to achieve something workable.

Please don't insult such a selfish less effort and devotion towards spreading the truth to public.

What I am doing is spreading the awareness about real free energy and I am trying to take out all the non-sense thinking from the society about free energy.

Also my experience has proved that free energy suppression is a real thing.

"Free energy is energy available in Nature,which does not cost a single peny except for the device investment."

If you have Commonsense you will tell that nothing can move by itself unless external force is applied.
The society needs to be filtered out from nonsense thoughts like overunity or perpetual Motioin machines.

"Overunity means additional output in a quantity without any equivalent input energy in a conservation equation which leaves the equation unbalanced."A overunity enegine cannot exist in real world.

Please read the technical parts of my blog articles like gravity powered trains,interloped path system in which net gravitational energy is varied continuously as well as my analogy concept.
I support free energy realisation,but in a workable manner.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #136 on: December 03, 2012, 03:58:33 AM »
Hello it's not spamming,its self realisation towards real freeeergy Technology.I haven't uncovered the exact concept due to patent reasions,but have fully explained with proofs the analogy of my engine concepts.It took me years of work,many sleepless nights to achieve something workable.

Please don't insult such a selfish less effort and devotion towards spreading the truth to public.

What I am doing is spreading the awareness about real free energy and I am trying to take out all the non-sense thinking from the society about free energy.

Also my experience has proved that free energy suppression is a real thing.

"Free energy is energy available in Nature,which does not cost a single peny except for the device investment."

If you have Commonsense you will tell that nothing can move by itself unless external force is applied.
The society needs to be filtered out from nonsense thoughts like overunity or perpetual Motioin machines.

Please read the technical parts of my blog articles like gravity powered trains,interloped path system in which net gravitational energy is varied continuously as well as my analogy concept.
I support free energy realisation,but in a workable manner.
blah, blah, blah... do you think i was born yesterday?

do you have an actual, physically working bessler wheel?  yes? or no?

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #137 on: December 03, 2012, 04:03:41 AM »
Well,what I am doing is not a necessary a bessler wheel.Its simply a gravity powered engine.In my home succesful experiments have been done to verify the concepts.Actually such a verification was not needed since the concept follows well known and continuously used laws of physics.

Why no technical question to my technical articles on my blogs?

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #138 on: December 03, 2012, 04:14:39 AM »
Well,what I am doing is not a necessary a bessler wheel.Its simply a gravity powered engine.In my home succesful experiments have been done to verify the concepts.Actually such a verification was not needed since the concept follows well known and continuously used laws of physics.

Why no technical question to my technical articles on my blogs?
so that's a no then on any actual, physical working device

thank you.

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #139 on: December 03, 2012, 07:05:14 AM »
You can't be serious about the concept shown in http://www.flickr.com/photos/59145126@N07/7850519666/

The amount of energy that could be recovered on the downward run will always be less than amount of energy required to raise the train to the starting position.  As a gravity powered train it would work fine as long as it continues to travel downhill...

I challenge you to produce a coherent explanation otherwise, (or failing that show verifiable experimental evidence that is is so)

Such a system would be in violation of the first laws of thermodynamics and I'm amazed that someone who pupports to be an engineering student could say otherwise.

The amount of energy needed to travel 100 metres downward is more than amount of energy needed to travel 25 or 30 metres upward.
Dont you have a simple observation that the upward distance used here is less than downward distance purposefully.

Your explanation is correct only when amount of distance covered upward = amount of distance covered downward.
The only need is minimising losses and also the downward distance should be atleast 6 times more than upward distance.

Simple logic is Work done = force * displacement.

It's obvious that when commutator supplies energy upwards,displacement is very much lesser than when commutator reverses direction.

Offcoarse,the concept needs a ball type train compartment so that the forces act at a proper centre of mass.One problem I noticed here is this system is only suitable for one compartment.

The reasion why you need 6 times more displacement downwards is because its obvious that you have to regain energy supplied against both the components of gravity as well as account for large losses encurred as well as convert more gravitational energy into usable form of electrical energy.

The actual construction is more complex than simply varrying displacement slope paths.

My real concept is about the Analogy(Analogy is done generally to explain a similar phenomeneon by different example,so that full secret is still maintained untill patent is granted).
The gravity powered train is just a case study suggestion.

I also suggest that let the slopes be curvy.The curvy slopes will allow for more larger displacements in less space with more overall efficiency.

Just make a note that the compartment travels through Varrying potential energy gradients.
Potential energy will remain constant only between two points along a straight height.So many different heights produce a gradient along so long displacement.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 08:38:30 AM by Aman Shah »

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Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #140 on: December 03, 2012, 07:46:24 AM »

In real life the amount of energy that can be recovered is less, as there are always losses due to friction (ultimately lost as  heat)
Neither I denied this in my Article on Blog.This is just a case study.The real concept is for the other analogy,discussed in other article of the same Blog.Future generators/motors will be technologically highly efficient(atleast 80 percent efficient.)
I am well versed with basic concepts of Entropy.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 09:11:39 AM by Aman Shah »

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #141 on: December 03, 2012, 09:08:56 AM »

As the train descends the longer inclined path the resultant force acting in the direction of motion is less than the force of gravity acting in the vertical direction.  Integrate that lesser force over the longer distance and 'not so magically' you get the same result as if the train had descended vertically.

Sorry,that is not satisfactory explanation.we are putting more gravitational energy input,which is required for downward motion as well as energy recovery.Its the gravitational force that's causing motion as well as presence of fictional lost energy.
Gravitational energy downward has two components which make up resultant.One helps in movement of compartment along height.Other helps in movement of compartment in conjunction with height,along the Horrizontal.Here,Sign convention is not according to regular Cartesian graph.But both gravitational components should be negative.Cartesian sign convention is only for plotting graphs with EASE.
Graphs may not be always analogous to forces.Resultant =( -H )+ (-V) = -(H + V).
Quantitively,its only (H+ V).Negative sign indicates that gravity acts downwards.

If gravity acts only along vertical,how any thing will move horrizontally???
Hence gravity(loops of Gravitons I should say or loops of earth's magneic field I should say) also acts horrizontally.

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Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #142 on: December 03, 2012, 10:14:27 AM »
Actually, your ludicrous ideas demonstrate that you absolutely clueless about even the most basic concepts of mechanics and thermodynamics.

What do you meant by that Nonsense comment.Aren't you aware that Gravitational field is a Earth's magnetic field.and each magnetic field is a loop starting from one point and ending at other.
Only because of loop of North and South Pole,we have gravity with two components on the slope.

If gravitational field was not a loop,then nothing would have fallen through a slope.Then any object on a slope path would have been there without falling down,because there is a resistance vertically to oppose its falling down.

Take a look at this:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magearth.html


See the pic there and you will come to know that gravity is not only unidirectional  (straight).
Better you go back to school and understand that earth's gravity is not only Vertical but its also converging to Horrizontal direction since the nature of earth's magnetic field is looped

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #143 on: December 03, 2012, 10:28:56 AM »
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Offline Aman Shah

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« Reply #144 on: December 03, 2012, 10:44:55 AM »
Yes,physicst are finding tough job to understand magnetism.But we cannot apply different types of machenics individually as per needed.Science is one and not many.And hence Quantum physicst are aiming towards "The theory of Everything" A single theory that explains everything in universe combining all the relations between all forces of nature.
But it's a Commonsense that when somebody is being pulled in one direction,he cannot move in other direction unless and Untill other external force acts on it.

I think that the concept of earth's magnetic field as loops is correct,but still mysterious.Even particles called "graviton" are mysterious.

I think the concept if Parallel universes is just Rubbish.Its also mysterious.
Have you heard about "parallel Universes" in Quantum Physics.
Quantum physics says there are 11 dimensions and not only 3 plus time.Whats your take on this?

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« Reply #145 on: December 03, 2012, 10:55:38 AM »
Lets assume that your theory of horizontal gravity is correct. Would you care to explain why objects on a horizontal surface don't just start moving? I'm rather curious.

interesting.Very good question.
I am not sure but possibly there's some kind of equilibrium between Vertical gravitational force component as well as Horrizontal force component when any object is on a Sraight plane.
I will investigate this in detail.
Also it takes larger time for gravity to bend and reach objects on a table when object is hold straight parrallel to table.

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« Reply #146 on: December 03, 2012, 11:06:28 AM »
There are some mysterious places in world,if you have heard of them ,where gravity is unbalanced and where people can walk on walls because of unusual distorted gravitational field.

If you want to know how strange gravity can be,see this:

http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=3&contentid=2012010620120106024723983cc44d8e6

There are few more places in the world where strange effects of gravity are experienced and where researches have came to study.

http://paranormal.about.com/od/earthmysteries/ig/Mystery-Spots-and-Gravity-Hills/

http://www.weirdus.com/states/pennsylvania/roadside_oddities/gravity_hill/index.php

According to scientists,our earth's magnetic field is been disturbed and not 100 percent perfect.Nad hence at few places,we find some mysterious gravity effects.

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/tzLmqWlnBgg

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« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2012, 11:24:35 AM »
How about this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIpJse-L7I&list=LP7jC9Dyta9go&index=9&feature=plcp

the effect is much stronger...

You're not an engineering student are you...

Yes,final year Mechanical Enginiering student.
I don't disagree that some people may always cheat,by showing strange gravity effects which are just tricks.But there are some places where some thing unusual is happening.

My own Mama(Uncle) has visited a place in USA where he was able to walk on wall of a house.
This strange effects will not occur everywhere.
I wouldn't have believed on these websites,but since few of our own relatives have shared their own experiences at such places,its little bit doubtful to me that there's something wrong in orientation of earth's magnetic field in some places.

It is not necessary that if out of 100 websites,99 websites are misguiding,everyone is misguiding.
That 100th website may be true.We should not be blind by overestimating ourselves.We should investigate everything.

Real thing should not become secret forever just because of thousands of false stories on which you will never like to believe.

Same applies to free energy.Real free energy concepts are been taken as fun and joke only due to the mess or nonsense talks of Perpetual Motion Machines which is killing Persion's ability to think the reality.

Infact I have mainly seen only two types of people at such threads where on one side Someone believes on Perpetual Motion/overunity and on other side,some one is totally against any type of free energy except solar energy or wind energy or tidal energy or nuclear energy.

I have rearely saw a persion like me who talks about real efficient possible free energy technologies.Due to this,such forums are not more than nonsense discussions.

You people are not so skeptical about parallel universe proposed by so many well reputed crazy quantum Physicist,then why you are so skeptical about free to pocket energy technologies.Then I should say that you are also skeptical about wind or solar energy!!!!!which are also free energy technologies.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #148 on: December 03, 2012, 11:57:50 AM »
I think you didn't read few lines in my articles.

Like.....
"It obeys the principle:
Mostly real Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward. "

Like....
"The most problematic thing with many people is they do not think how more amount of gravity can be inputted to gravity powered engine ,than that needed to take ball up. 

If you substract total Gravitational energy input from the energy needed to lift heavy balls up in a gravity wheel,you get some net gravitational energy which is the net energy input to the system(input after subtraction) which can be converted to electrical energy.This is the scientific basis for any real Gravity engine.And hence real Gravity engines are not perpetual and do not violate Laws of energy conservation. 

And I am surprised to know that most people at bessler wheels forum who are trying to make Gravity wheel do not consider this.If you do not consider this,you will never be able to make a gravity wheel. "

Like......
"The criteria for resistance system in my engine is:

1) first of all it should be overcommable.
2) it should be present only downwards and not upward.
3) The resistance system should be highly/reasonably efficient(output by input)
4) Amount of overcommable resistance should be reasonably large enough.

If the resistance cannot satisfy these conditions,then it cannot be used in my engine.

The splashing of water resistance (overcomming of water resistance)is quiet similar to the Overcomming of cantilever beam resistance by the central weight loading.The machenism of failure of two column supported beam(Simply supported beam) works similarly.Let weight W be loaded at centre.The overcomeability of a good beam should be less at initial stage.Initially there will be allmost an equal and opposite reaction from the beam for the weight loading,with little energy spent for deformation.Slowly ATOMIC Dislocation takes place(slippage of atomic planes/slippage of grain boundaries)and a point reaches where stress become unbearable(stress is resistance to deformation).As the stress become unbearable,there will be minimum equal and opposite reaction for the weight loading and then the most amount of continuous gravitational energy will be used to overcome this beam resistance/stress and finally the beam breaks.This is analogous to what happens in my engine with the exception of the speed at which all this happens.This is what I learnt in Material Science subject.No good material science Professor in machenical engineering would deny this. 
The speed of this similar process is actually relatively fast,occurs in extended nanoseconds time in my engine whereas in beams it is very low speed [It occurs in beams due to mainly Creep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creep_(deformation)  ] 
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Like........
"For example,If there is a 1 kg of solid powder to be lifted upwards,I need X amount of work done upwards.If I have to push 2 Kg of solid powder downwards,I need to consume X plus X (2X)amount of Gravitational energy. 

Net energy consumed = 2 X -X =X
Which is then converted to Net electrical energy Output.This is what one of the way of satisfacting the Principle, 

Mostly real Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward.

Now notice that this cannot be achieved when such a overcommable resistance gradient occurs only with respect to time vertically.In other words,you need your system to be in a cyclic circular path OR in other words the gradient should occur in a circular cyclic path.
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Like......
"So,what my engine does is tap the energy required to go against the resistance by the gravity.

Balance energy equation for my concept:

Energy supplied to lift Red ball through commutator controlled motor mode at pivot + gravitational energy required to push the resistance away + frictional losses + other entropy losses = supplied energy recovered though generator mode by commutator control at pivot(red coloured in sketch) + electricity converted from overcoming of resistance+ frictional losses + Back EMF losses + other entropy losses.


It's also right if said theoratically that "energy supplying and recovery process "is just like a or analogous to a catalyst,which is used to let the resistance overcomming process through gravity take place without actually any net change of electrical energy form/format from one form to another form of energy.The energy used to overcome resistance is then converted to electrical energy by a suitable energy conversion system. "

A perpetual Motion machine do not have any balanced Conservation eergy-mass equation.Whereas,my free energy concepts have such balanced equations.

 :) That is why I say"Unlearn The Familiar"

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #149 on: December 03, 2012, 12:11:39 PM »
Your description of  being able to generate more energy by descending an inclined path than is required to lift the object vertically is in direct violation of the law of conservation of energy and the first law of thermodynamics. By implication such a machine would be a 'perpetual motion device'

Are you really that stupid that you cannot see that?

If you are a final year mechanical engineering student as you claim I would have to seriously question the validity of the institution at which you study.

I never said,I generated or created any energy.Only idiots say this. :)
A real free energy device only converts Energy from nature(example :gravitational energy) into electrical energy.

Most real gravity powered engines should have something analogous to a Catalytic reaction wherein chemicals will be introduced inside a chemical reaction to accelerate chemical reaction and these chemicals are recovered back.You cannot call such a reaction to be perpetual.
Similarly,in gravity engines,electrical energy is given and recover so that more gravity can be used to move any object in a completely differernt manner to convert more gravitational energy into electrical energy.

Illustration:
Is this possible???
:" Gravitational energy form=Electrical energy form + losses"

Technically its correct since according to the well accepted law of conservation of energy :
                       "Energy can neither be created nor it is destroyed, however energy can be                                            converted from one form energy to any other form of energy"

Now the question is how we make this possible.

So here is my answer.

"Little External energy source (similar to catalyst) + gravitational energy + losses quantity 1= recovered electrical energy converted from extra gravitational energy acted on heavy ball(similar to a catalyst) + converted Electrical energy + losses quantity 2"
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 02:04:09 PM by Aman Shah »

 

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