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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 80382 times)

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2012, 07:58:49 AM »
over-unity does exist, a nuclear explosion releases 30,000 times more energy  than what it took to make it happen. but this happens at the nuclear level to make it happen. it is a proof that it can happen.

Dear friend,its not overunity.
Nuclear energy is a form of highly compressed solar energy.Photons from sun continuously compresses atomic particles which are like strings of energy.This compression as well as accelerated photons are stored in atoms as nuclear energy in massive quantity and this is what keeps electrons rotating around the nucleus.
The motion of electrons in atoms is neither perpetual either.
Nuclear explosion is a type of Spontanious chemical reaction.

It's just like explosion of fossil gas when mixes with air when excited with spark of electrons emerging from spark plug.You should study nuclear physics in detail to understand this.

It takes comparatively very little energy (spark from spark plug) to unlock the hidden nuclear form of solar energy and that's how you can run an IC engine.

Well the study of nuclear energy teaches to mankind that there's abundant amount of solar energy on earth which is absorbed by the materials but we have not yet developed a single highly efficient way to exploit this energy for peaceful applications.

Humans have succeded in exploiting ample amounts of nuclear or solar energy for destruction only but its very sad that humans have not yet found safe and ecofriendly way yet to exploit nuclear energy for peaceful applications without generating extremly  harmful nuclear waste products generated from nuclear fission plants.

The "solar energy to electricity" conversion efficiency of today's most efficient solar cells is not even 30 percent .And as of now,generally most efficient solar cells of the world are only made in labs.Commercial grade solar cells have not even 20 percent "solar energy to electricity" conversion efficiency.

The conclusion is we have abundant freely available energy in this world but we don't know how to use it efficiently.

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2012, 08:44:32 AM »
Dear friend,its not overunity.

Yes, it is over-unity and I am not your friend.

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Nuclear energy is a form of highly compressed solar energy.

to be more precise matter is entangled Gamma-Rays and some Neutrinos.

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Photons from sun continuously compresses atomic particles which are like strings of energy.

only high energy photons(1.4MeV) or higher can be entangled but it requires more than just high energy photons to do so it also requires electron Neutrino's to entangle the reaction.

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This compression as well as accelerated photons are stored in atoms as nuclear energy in massive quantity and this is what keeps electrons rotating around the nucleus.

it is not compression, it is entanglement.  electrons entangled to an atom do not move unless extra energy is added to the system, you adhere to much to classical mechanics and not enough about quantum QED.

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The motion of electrons in atoms is neither perpetual either.

so far this is the only thing I agree with you on.

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Nuclear explosion is a type of Spontanious chemical reaction.

it is not a chemical reaction,  it is a nuclear reaction of spontaneous fission by bombardment of Neutrons which can also allow for fusion reaction via nuclear compression.

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It's just like explosion of fossil gas when mixes with air when excited with spark plug.You should study nuclear physics in detail to understand this.

who ever told you this needs to be slapped, you may need to slap yourself perhaps?

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It takes comparatively very little energy to unlock the hidden nuclear form of solar energy and that's how you can run an IC engine.

it doesn't work that way.

I have did some work with radio-isotopes and radiation that is also included on this forum. read some, I am not a newbie here like you are now.

Nuclear and radioisotopes is one of my favorite hobbies.

have a good day!!!
Jerry 8)

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2012, 08:49:25 AM »
Good comments but you might have heard of string theory wherein every single atomic particle is a vibrating string of energy under compression.

Have a good day.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2012, 08:49:25 AM »
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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2012, 08:52:15 AM »
Good comments but you might have heard of string theory wherein every single atomic particle is a vibrating string of energy under compression.

not compression, it is entanglement that binds the string.

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #109 on: December 01, 2012, 08:57:51 AM »
Ok then what's the machenism which creates overunity in nuclear reaction.
I am pursuing final year Machenical Enginiering and as you know here syllabus is highly limited in nuclear physics (unlike pure physics courses),unless you take any "nuclear enginiering" elective subject as a option,even though I have interest.So I may not understand in detail atleast as of now.I am reading more books to understand concepts better.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2012, 09:26:25 AM »
over-unity does exist, a nuclear explosion releases 30,000 times more energy  than what it took to make it happen. but this happens at the nuclear level to make it happen. it is a proof that it can happen.
a nuclear explosion isn't overunity...  ::) don't be asinine.

there is, of course, a tremendous amount of energy stored in an atom, but there is nothing 'overunity' about it.  similarly, there is a tremendous amount of energy at niagara falls, far more than it took to harness, yet the falls are obviously not 'overunity'... 

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2012, 11:50:36 AM »
a nuclear explosion isn't overunity...

Correct.

A nuclear explosion is actually massive Coefficient of Performance releasing large amounts of energy previously stored by the environment in heavy elements created during a Supernova. This energy is released by a compression shockwave from the trigger explosion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

http://www.universetoday.com/70646/astronomy-without-a-telescope-alchemy-by-supernova/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_nucleosynthesis

The LFV is designed along the same principle with processing from liquid water to hydrogen and oxygen gas, when triggered thermolysis and fluid flow shaping of the resultant shockwave kick up the energy to a plasma state. The processing cost + the trigger cost are the input energy, the resultant force from the plasma expansion and the shockwave drives the output energy process.

If it produces more energy out, than in, is it overunity or is it COP > 1 ? or is it a combination of both ?

That should get you thinking...


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2012, 07:43:43 PM »
If it produces more energy out, than in, is it overunity or is it COP > 1 ? or is it a combination of both ?
it would be COP > 1...

with regards to 'overunity'. this is a made up compound word. what 'unity' means or 'is', was never defined by the originator of the term 'overunity'. if unity is taken to mean what it traditionally means, there can be no such thing as 'overunity'...   similarly, one cannot be 'overdead'...   ;)

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2012, 07:57:21 PM »
it would be COP > 1...

with regards to 'overunity'. this is a made up compound word. what 'unity' means or 'is', was never defined by the originator of the term 'overunity'. if unity is taken to mean what it traditionally means, there can be no such thing as 'overunity'...   similarly, one cannot be 'overdead'...   ;)

I personally prefer the term "electrically efficient" instead of COP.  If you can show the electrical input in watts vs. the electrical output in watts, you may be able to show an excess output, if the device has the ability to utilize a free energy source other than the input alone, to combine together in the output measurement.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2012, 07:57:21 PM »
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Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2012, 08:38:38 PM »
If we cannot create or destroy energy the only option we have is to learn to displace it with the smallest input with the greatest effect and collect as much of the return to equilibrium as efficiently as possible.

Much like the ocean we can use the displacement of waves to generate power through an oscillating buoy yet no water is created or destroyed in the process. Replace ocean with the vast sea of energy around us, our devices have to leverage the natural waves without destroying the displacement that make them work. Finding out how to decouple one from the other but use it's displacement synergistically is the challenge.

LOL. Such an oxymoron, device has to be synergistically decoupled. Like Ying and Yang always apart yet always in harmony. :)

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2012, 08:47:05 PM »
If we cannot create or destroy energy the only option we have is to learn to displace it with the smallest input with the greatest effect and collect as much of the return to equilibrium as efficiently as possible.

Much like the ocean we can use the displacement of waves to generate power through an oscillating buoy yet no water is created or destroyed in the process. Replace ocean with the vast sea of energy around us, our devices have to leverage the natural waves without destroying the displacement that make them work. Finding out how to decouple one from the other but use it's displacement synergistically is the challenge.

LOL. Such an oxymoron, device has to be synergistically decoupled. Like Ying and Yang always apart yet always in harmony. :)

Exactly right.But energy such as gravitational energy which costs nothing to pocket is already in large Quantities,which means free to pocket and eco-friendly energy is possible.
Be assured that real Gravity powered Devices are not perpetual Motion Machines.
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http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=151

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=152

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=153

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=155

Thanks!

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2012, 08:47:05 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #116 on: December 02, 2012, 09:07:29 PM »
guys...   could we PLEASE stay on topic here?

as the title of this thread so astutely observes, we need a definition... not a dissertation on ying/yang or a bunch of bessler links.

from ol' webster...
Definition of UNITY
1 a : the quality or state of not being multiple : oneness
   b (1) : a definite amount taken as one or for which 1 is made to stand in calculation <in a table of natural sines the radius of the circle is regarded as unity> (2) : identity element

2 a : a condition of harmony : accord
   b : continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action)

3 a : the quality or state of being made one : unification
   b : a combination or ordering of parts in a literary or artistic production that constitutes a whole or promotes an undivided total effect; also : the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character

4: a totality of related parts : an entity that is a complex or systematic whole

5: any of three principles of dramatic structure derived by French classicists from Aristotle's Poetics and requiring a play to have a single action represented as occurring in one place and within one day

6 capitalized : a 20th century American religious movement that emphasizes spiritual sources of health and prosperity


now, i think it is clear from webster's definition that the use of the word 'unity' in over-unity really makes no sense whatsoever.

i think the fundamental question here is, are we going to come to a consensus about the definition or would a new term (either an already existing term or one freshly coined) be better suited?

Offline Aman Shah

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2012, 09:30:53 PM »
guys...   could we PLEASE stay on topic here?

Free energy cannot be defined with conjunction with Mysterious overunity human mind generated extra energy.The links to bessler wheels website is one of the real key to unlock some secrets of real free energy devices like Gravity engines.
Unless you read them in detail,you will not recognise the importance of the links I posted.

Free energy does not means its created simply.Free energy is energy from nature,free to pocket.Solar energy is one such example.

It explains how this can be used practically to make a valid free energy device,A gravity engine:

"There are 95 percent chances that working Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward."

We guys are on the topic,not Off Topic!!!!!

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2012, 09:43:29 PM »
Free energy cannot be defined with conjunction with Mysterious overunity human mind generated extra energy.The links to bessler wheels website is one of the real key to unlock some secrets of real free energy devices like Gravity engines.
Unless you read them in detail,you will not recognise the importance of the links I posted.

Free energy does not means its created simply.Free energy is energy from nature,free to pocket.Solar energy is one such example.

It explains how this can be used practically to make a valid free energy device,A gravity engine:

"There are 95 percent chances that working Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward."

We guys are on the topic,not Off Topic!!!!!
bullshit! a bunch of bessler links do NOTHING to forward an agreeable definition of the word 'overunity'.

we get it that you are obsessed with bessler, we have seen you spamming those very same links wherever you can on this forum...  ::)

you are not on topic unless you are helping present an agreeable definition. and posting links to your favorite obsession does NOTHING to forward a definition. you do know what a dictionary is do you not? then you should understand what a definition is...  ::)

Offline Liberty

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2012, 10:08:47 PM »
I have always understood the term "overunity" to mean:  over=above and unity=one or a whole, 100%.  The main problem today with any device called overunity in my opinion, is that the term has been demonized by those who wish to put the idea down, to the point that it has become a detrimental term to be associated with.  That's why most avoid the term overunity with their devices.

 

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