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Offline 4REAL

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coil size
« on: December 08, 2008, 07:05:05 PM »
I have some questions about making a coil for My Newman Motor #3.

Currently I have 1,600 feet of awg 20 magnet wire wound on a 4" inch thin walled PVC drain pipe. It has been suggested that I would need AT LEAST TEN TIMES that much if I expect to get any over unity. Is this correct?

I am planning on buying 20,000 feet of awg 26-magnet wire. I would imagine that to get optimum performance the dimensions of the coil would be important. CORRECT?

I am thinking that the gauge and length of the wire available could give some indication of about what size of coil I would want to turn. So if my budget limited me to buy 20,000 feet of AWG 26 is there a rule of thumb I could follow as to what dimensions I would want my coil to be?

I need some idea because the sizes of magnets that are available are limited. And the magnets should turn as close as possible to the inside of the coil, CORRECT?

 
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Re: coil size
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 05:11:13 PM »
I have some questions about making a coil for My Newman Motor #3.

Currently I have 1,600 feet of awg 20 magnet wire wound on a 4" inch thin walled PVC drain pipe. It has been suggested that I would need AT LEAST TEN TIMES that much if I expect to get any over unity. Is this correct?

A 4" pipe is not wide enough to house enough magnets. And you will a need longer wire, especially if it is 20AWG.

I am planning on buying 20,000 feet of awg 26-magnet wire. I would imagine that to get optimum performance the dimensions of the coil would be important. CORRECT?

Absoutely. Not only do the turns have to be wide, you need strong magnets too. This is where you can hurt yourself, so watch out.

I am thinking that the gauge and length of the wire available could give some indication of about what size of coil I would want to turn. So if my budget limited me to buy 20,000 feet of AWG 26 is there a rule of thumb I could follow as to what dimensions I would want my coil to be?

The magnets that will fit in nice should weigh about the same as the coil that you are using. So you must adjust the turns accordingly. This will strongly affect your budget.

I need some idea because the sizes of magnets that are available are limited. And the magnets should turn as close as possible to the inside of the coil, CORRECT?

Yes.

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Re: coil size
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2008, 03:17:23 AM »
Thanks for your  Guidance Kmarinas86 :)

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Offline JustAnElectrician

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Re: coil size
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 05:20:00 AM »
 ;D
4real, I think you posted a similar Q on T.E.E.P. and I said switching speed is as important as coil length, and I figured what it would be for 20,000 feet of a small gauge you listed there... that still holds, and what Kmarinas86 says is also true, but you can go shorter with FASTER SWITCHING! Mosfets are fast and likely the answer. Read Newman's book here:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
scroll down to Newman Part 1: "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman" and start downloading!
it has 5 parts, and you can learn in Joe's own words... very clear, and it agrees with all classical EM theory as far as I know, and I was trained classical. I am a Union Electrician, graduated #1 in my class quite easily, I shoulda went to MIT but I was Bart Simpson "underachiever" so I did the electrical gig.
Not bragging, I say all that to validate that I have at least some skillz... Newman rings true as far as I can ascertain.

-Rob
moderator @ http://imhotepslabs.freeforums.org/

Offline 4REAL

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Re: coil size
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 09:56:43 PM »
Hi Ya!  justanelectrician

Yep that was me. Since then I am still laid off from work my computer has crashed and I have lost all the videos I was going to post on you tube.  I did construct a crude commutator that pulsed my coil 24 times per rotation and of course reversed the polarity every 180 degrees. It ran the motor well but with the short coil length nothing note worthy happened. Now I need to tighten my fiscal belt and hunker down for the rest of the winter and hope some one will want there house painted this spring.

I will leave all of this interesting and magnificent research to you people with the tools and brains for such things. I will be watching with great interest though..

Peace every body!

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Offline JustAnElectrician

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Re: coil size
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 02:37:07 AM »
Nice looking commutator!
Stick around 4real, your experience could be helpful.

I was looking at coil wire, and it seems to be cheaper now that copper is down. I hope to buy some before it goes sky high again.











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Re: coil size
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 11:56:16 PM »
I agree with you, lenght is far more important in this system, I was thinking if current travel @ speed of light then with a very lenght conductor (20 - 30 miles) is possible short the input and this explain the very low consumption but high torque and excess output. For example:

Speed of Light = c = 186400 Miles per second aprox.

and traveling a distance of 30 Miles.

Then Speed of Light is slower here:

30 Miles / (186400 Miles/sec )  =  1.60e-4

THIS IS EQUAL TO 160 MICROSECONDS....

If you look on transistor datasheets actually MOSFTES or Bipolar transistor goes further.... including a good mechanical switching.

But if you put a coil with only 0.30 Miles for example :

0.30 / (186400 Miles/seconds) = 1.6 microseconds

is more adjusted harder short the travel.

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Offline u2btchr

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Re: coil size
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2009, 01:07:59 AM »
It has been my experience that electrons flow on the outside of the coil of wire and not through it, thus it does not come close to the speed of light but much closer to the speed of sound. . . and this is in the 1200 ft / sec range. Thus there are many successful options to choose from in switching.

Correct me if my prior knowledge fails me as I am getting old .... :0   [nearly 40 years in education]

tchr


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Re: coil size
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2009, 04:35:35 PM »
u2tchr

If you read Bearden he suggest electron travel very slowly:

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm


But if you read the Newman theory's is fundamental to replicate a Newman machine then need use them in this thread in the page 51 picture says:
"Current moves at speed of light , but coil 16H2 is extremely long"

Then, speed of current is not same that seed of electrons.

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Re: coil size
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2009, 07:04:32 PM »
u2tchr

If you read Bearden he suggest electron travel very slowly:

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm


But if you read the Newman theory's is fundamental to replicate a Newman machine then need use them in this thread in the page 51 picture says:
"Current moves at speed of light , but coil 16H2 is extremely long"

Then, speed of current is not same that seed of electrons.

The speed of a train may be 30 mph, but the propagation of force in a train is much faster than that.

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Re: coil size
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 01:49:57 AM »
Also working in our favor, an inductor has a current lag as well.

ELI the ICE man


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