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Author Topic: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma  (Read 291182 times)

PaulLowrance

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #105 on: December 22, 2009, 05:14:13 PM »
Yes, would someone who has the means ***PLEASE*** build an N-machine. For like 2 decades I've been waiting for someone. What's his name, Dr. Tewari has replicated them and claims it works, but they say he was forced to stop researching it.

It's so simple, but you have to have some $. Two NdFeB disc magnets. A metal disc. About 4 carbon brushes. And a DC motor. It would also have to be balanced to high rpm's relative to it's size to get a lot of g forces on the outer rim. I would go for at least 3000 g's. Bruce's large N-machine had 9000 g's.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #106 on: December 22, 2009, 05:45:50 PM »
I also met Bruce DePalma couple of times at his home in Santa Barbara. He had made a lab in his garage with a number of experiments, not only the unipolar generator. Wonder what happened to that beautifully manufactured generator, one of two paid by that religious cult from Colorado? The downside was that mercury from the brushes which affected Bruce's health. Also, I wonder what happened to prof. Kincheloe who showed me Lentz's law violation results from his studies on that generator, in his office at Stanford U. Soon after he retired (he was a professor of electrical engineering at Stanford U.) and moved to Oregon only to lose any connection with him until today. He was very interested in studying Bruce's homopolar generator further but didn't have the $60,000 Bruce was asking to allow experiments w/ the machine. Prof. Kincheloe told me he and a friend of his were planning to build their own but I lost track of him and don't know what happened with that project. Couple of times I called Stanford U. and got in touch with his friend, prominent professor Sturrock who tried to help me find him. All in vain. That, whether or not Bruce's OU claims are valid, remains one of the unresolved problems of my life. These two machines must be somewhere. DePalma had two helpers who might know where they are.  What happened to professor Kincheloe? These are questions on par with what happened to Water Torbay? Was his a really working pmm? Now we have Steorn on the line. etc. etc.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #107 on: December 22, 2009, 05:56:23 PM »
Bruce had some amazing, stunning experiments. The ones that showed a change in inertia from spinning objects. Bruce said there was a skeptic who kept telling him his spinning disc inertia experiments were flawed, so this skeptic built one that worked inside a vacuum. Bruce said the skeptic never told him of the results, lol.

Anyhow, not that long ago someone emailed me who knows where Bruce's N-machines are. I'll see if I can dig up his info.

Also there's Andrew, the guy that lived with Bruce. I've contacted him every now and then, but trying to get info out of him is like pulling teeth.

I'll let you know when I find the info of the guy who knows where Bruce's N-machines are.

Hey, what about Dr. Tewari? Has anyone contacted him to find out the truth about his story?

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #108 on: December 22, 2009, 06:04:51 PM »
I found the guy who sent me an email who was working with Bruce DePalma up to the point where Bruce died, and who knows it *all*.

If you want, contact me by email and I'll forward it to him. Maybe we can have a 3 way email conversation.

My contact page:
http://globalfreeenergy.info/contact-me/

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2009, 06:17:59 PM »
I just sent the guy an email. Hopefully he's still alive & well & interested in the N-machine. If anyone's interested, lets try to get something going and once & for all verify the N-machine! I don't have $ to spend on this at all, but I'm good at testing, so could offer help there.

This N-machine has been on the back of my mind for over 2 decades! Lets get something going. It doesn't have to be expensive. Is anyone interested in doing the numbers for cost for a shoestring project? The goal here is not to power some house or car, but to just verify the cop>1 effect.


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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #110 on: December 22, 2009, 06:25:27 PM »
Take a look at this NdFeB magnet for only $29. It's small compared to Bruce's machine, at only 3" diameter, but definetely good enough to show a significant effect. Lets remember that Bruce was dealing with hundreds of killowatts!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Earth-Neodymium-Magnet-3-ODx1-IDx1-2-NdFeB-Ring_W0QQitemZ120505885462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0eb5e316

We would need 2 of them, which comes to $58 + S&H.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #111 on: December 22, 2009, 06:37:47 PM »
Here are a few DC motors, and I'm sure there are much better ones. Perhaps someone knows of a company that has great deals on powerful high rpm DC motors.

Here's a GE 1 HP DC High RPM (up to 9000 rpms) Treadmill Motor for $60,

http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-1-HP-DC-High-RPM-Treadmill-Motor_W0QQitemZ290382155559QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c200f27


As for the metal disc, that could be found at a metal warehouse. Out here there's M&K metal. They always have scrap metal around for practically nothing. They would definitely have a disc at least 3" diameter that would cost almost nothing. Also the metal rod that would go through the magnet and disc would cost practically nothing.

Motor brushes also cost practically nothing.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #112 on: December 22, 2009, 06:54:21 PM »
What's that come to,

NdFeB magnets 3"OD x 2 = $30 * 2 = $60
DC Motor: say $100
Aluminum disc ~ 3"OD x 1: $3 for scrap. If we need copper, then it will be more
Aluminum rod x 1: ~~ $10
Motor Brushes x 6: $3 * 6 = $18
Balancing: Free. I've seen people here offer such work for free. Hopefully we can find someone.
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Total: $191 + S&H

The part I have no clue about is balancing, but I am certain someone here could offer to do that for free. Wow, for ~ $200 we could for once and for all verify the N-machine. Is anyone interested in doing this?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2009, 09:18:01 PM by PaulLowrance »

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #113 on: December 22, 2009, 07:06:01 PM »
The following is a snippet of an email I just send:

Yes, good instruments is always nice. :-) But even a cheap DMM is good enough since it will be *relative* measurements. That is, so long as the DMM is linear, lol. If the DMM is say 2% off, then both the input & output will be off by 2%, so the cop calculations will be correct. Ahh there's nothing like DC measurements. :-) So that's my only tiny requirement for my involvement is to keep it all 100% DC.

The measurements may seem involved, but they're really not if you take some precautions. The important part is to keep the entire motor completely symmetrical; i.e., brushes on both sides of the motor. This will prevent changes in torquing between the control (no DC current / not-loaded) & main (DC current / loaded) measurements, which will allow us to accurately obtain the total losses for a given rpm. And that will allow us to find the cop.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #114 on: December 22, 2009, 11:08:02 PM »
A metal disc. About 4 carbon brushes. And a DC motor. It would also have to be balanced to high rpm's relative to it's size to get a lot of g forces on the outer rim. I would go for at least 3000 g's. Bruce's large N-machine had 9000 g's.

I'm just curious about why you keep saying to obtain a lot of g forces on the outer rim.  Yes, speed does increase the voltage....but the g's on the outer rim doesn't have anything to do with it. 

I'm under the impression you believe the electrons always flows from the axis to the rim.  This is not always the case.  Electrons can also flow from the rim to the axis depending on the direction of rotation and what magnetic pole the disc is rotating through.  Here is an excellent video by lumen showing how the polarity of the current can flow in the opposite direction in the HPG just by changing the direction of rotation, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWwrvT_c8w

The voltage is the same regardless if the current is moving from the axis to the rim or from the rim to the axis.  It makes no difference and centrifugal force does not play a role in the HPG or the N-Machine.


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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #115 on: December 22, 2009, 11:49:13 PM »
I'm just curious about why you keep saying to obtain a lot of g forces on the outer rim.  Yes, speed does increase the voltage....but the g's on the outer rim doesn't have anything to do with it.

You can't say there's no unknown effect related to the g forces due to the centrifugal force.



I'm under the impression you believe the electrons always flows from the axis to the rim.

Your impression was wrong and insulting. I know a little more about physics than you might imagine.


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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #116 on: December 23, 2009, 12:29:58 AM »
Here is a diagram that might help from the following site.


http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #117 on: December 23, 2009, 01:39:19 AM »
For me, it's not a question of money.  I don't have the time.

Will small things work?   I have the magnets above.   I have the heavy copper .  I have the drive mechanism.  I have the machinery to make the parts.

I just need the time to put it all together.

I'll get there, slowly

Turtle, slow

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #118 on: December 23, 2009, 03:13:03 PM »
You can't say there's no unknown effect related to the g forces due to the centrifugal force.

Your impression was wrong and insulting. I know a little more about physics than you might imagine.

Maybe around 100,000 RPM you may see some observable affects due to the g forces, but everything will be flying apart before this happens.  I will say the g's have an almost negligible affect in the HPG at currently achievable RPM's.

I apologize for you being insulted so easily just by bringing something to your attention that I thought was important.  I was only trying to be helpful.  I now realize my opinion and my view will cause you grief.  If we all had this mindset then it would defeat the purpose of sharing ideas, thoughts, opinions, beliefs, and information here.

Take care,

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #119 on: December 23, 2009, 03:37:36 PM »
Maybe around 100,000 RPM you may see some observable affects due to the g forces, but everything will be flying apart before this happens.  I will say the g's have an almost negligible affect in the HPG at currently achievable RPM's.

You could take a look a Bruce's spinning disc experiments. He's done numerous experiments. A group of people also replicated one where they took a metal disc (not a magnet), spun it a reasonable rpm (less than 10000 rpm), dropped it. They observed the effect noted in Bruces experiments, which appears to be a change in inertia.

One commonality in all of Bruce's experiments, including the N-machine, is high g-forces. So yes, I think it's important for an N-machine replication to have high g-forces.