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Author Topic: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma  (Read 244901 times)

Offline kentoot

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2007, 07:05:12 AM »
Thanks for the comment Gearhead.

Well, actually the spiral winding idea is not entirely mine, I got a hint from Tesla's note here :

http://www.andrijar.com/teslahom/index.html

He did suggest to subdivide the disc into "spiral" form sections, and also mentioned the importance of the spiral direction.
 

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2007, 09:55:05 AM »
Thanks for the comment Gearhead.

Well, actually the spiral winding idea is not entirely mine, I got a hint from Tesla's note here :

http://www.andrijar.com/teslahom/index.html

He did suggest to subdivide the disc into "spiral" form sections, and also mentioned the importance of the spiral direction.
 


Hi Ken,

Here?s some more pages that you might find interesting


Tesla's Fuelless Generator,

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/Fuelless.pdf

from this page which has some good articles,

http://tesla.nichelson.googlepages.com/home

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2007, 05:01:39 PM »
in my opinion and parden my spelling it has always sucked anyhow if you want more voltage turn it faster or add more brushes or add severl togather and you will get higher voltages and current hear is a pic of my redesigned n machine it is a simple pic
now i will use 2 of thease to get 12dc at a given rpm just my thoughts

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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2007, 05:01:39 PM »
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2007, 06:21:46 AM »
Hey guys, this is good stuff- If the postings here are correct an the efficiency of these machines is (say) 90 percent, how about using an "N" machine (or whatever you call it) as the generator attached to a super-efficient motor as might be seen in other forum threads? The coupling of the two would then produce a very, very good output to input ratio . . . . . ;)

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2007, 06:32:54 PM »
My english is not the best: I was reading all the links given in this topic but I'm not clear at one point:

Taking a Bruce de Palma N-Machine, running it and connecting a load: is there or is there not a power increase needed in the motor which drives the machine?

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2007, 06:32:54 PM »
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2007, 12:24:57 AM »
See http://youtube.com/watch?v=aiuZQVrTCy4 william lyne describeshow the wwhmeter is a tesla homopolar generator, if some one can prove it...congratulations!!!   it have to much similarities , aluminum disk, cooper coils and magnetshttp://www.redrok.com/images/whrmeter.gif

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2007, 03:15:23 PM »
it think you all will find that the homopolar generator will have no backtorque when assembled in the proper configuration magnets opsosing the problems lies with the extraction of power  ;)

murcury was used as a wetted contact but now

no need for murcury there many syintethic materials avable witch can replace murcury use superconductive liquid metal on the edge of the disc and the brushes

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2007, 05:29:48 AM »
If i am understanding this principle correctly, you could essentially save yourself all the trouble, and take an existing permanent magnet transformer coil (or induce a field in a paramagnetic one) and spin it around??

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 08:25:06 PM »
A homopolar generator consists of a conductor which rotates in front of or with a magnetic pole.  There is an electric potential generated between the center and the od of the conductor.  This configuration has not proven to be OU.  These generators can be used for huge current flows at low voltage such as needed for rail guns and magnetic containment on partical accelerators.

The broken tether of an experiment done with the space shuttle glowed bright enough with induced electricity from traveling in the magnetic field of the earth to be seen clearly from 100 miles away by those on the space shuttle.  Perhaps it was good that it broke or it may have fried the electronics on the shuttle.

I have thought of using a coil spinning with the generator to increase the voltage and decrease the amperage.  This might make it easier to pick the current off of it.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2007, 09:18:46 PM »
that that is actually discussed earlier in this thread, what i am suggesting is, that using a manifactured coil, that is easy to obtain from junk devices, you wouldnt have to worry about winding one yourself, and could easily pull the tech specs on the particular coil for reference when calculating your results.

then just tie the inner lead to a pick-up on or near the shaft and another to an outer ring or possible a secondary (insulated) shaft ring. turning it so the coils are alligned with the direction of rotation, and placing a ring/circular magnet over one of both ends then rotating this all together should achieve the desired higher voltage/medium current that we are attempting to obtain.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2007, 09:21:24 PM »
an afterthought:.....


if the coil has a ferromagnetic inner core, you want to put a magnet on top AND bottom so the entire core is under influence, that way the rotating magnetic field will be "stationary". (no back EMF) which is a primary requirement of these devices.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2008, 02:00:48 AM »
Hi I am new to this forum but I couldn't resist the topic as homopolar generators have been an interest from way back. I have never understood how they came to be associated with over unity energy. The university of Texas http://www.utexas.edu/research/cem/homopolar%20generators.html has done lots of research on these devices in the field of pulsed power and none of their papers to my knowledge have mentioned any anomalous energy output not to say that there couldn't be any. I will try to explain what a homopolar machine is for people who dont know. Basically it relies on the magnetic thoery that when magnetic flux penetrates a conductor moving perpendicular to the lines of flux a voltage proportional to the length of the conductor and perpendicular to the direction of travel appears. This does not have to be a disk, the disk is just a mechanical contrivance to recycle the conductor or save on magnets. MHD devices use exactly the same principle except that they are linear motion using an expendable conductor. Rail guns are very similar as well.

One of the previous posts showed a spiral conductor as a possible means of increasing the voltage output, AFAIK this wont work, the conductor length perpendicular to the direction of travel (wheel outer brush contact radius - wheel inner brush radius) is the same with either a spiral or a disk so there is no increase in voltage. Before flaming me, remember vectors and the point "conductor length perpendicular to the direction or travel" This also invalidates the other proposed methods of increasing the voltage with long wires and the like I wish it were otherwise. Check out the Kollmorgan servodisc motors for an ingenious way around this, though they are not over unity by any stretch of the imagination.

The common methods of increasing a homopolar machines output voltage are increasing the rotor radius, increasing the field strength and increasing the rotor speed. Using these methods I designed a unit which would output 1Kv not a practical generator just a pulse power machine with a pulse duration of < 1 sec.

Anybody who thinks that a homopolar is a low torque machine is mistaken, with a 4T field one of the UNI's discharged a 140lb rotor running at 27000 rpm in around 1ms The torque reaction that a homopolar machine can exert is considerable, that is why many homoploar machines are built with 2 contra rotating rotors so all the torque reaction is cancelled in the unit body. Unlike an inductive generator the magnet does not see any torque reaction the reaction is between the rotor and the return conductor which happens to be the other rotor in a contra rotating setup.

The main technical issues with homopolar machines is that they are low voltage high current machines, the current pickup speeds are very high and the magetic circuit has a large air gap resulting in very large excitation power with non superconducting field coils.

Liquid metal pickup is one way to achieve current pickup, MHD forces and the mess factor are problems with this.

Permanent magnets are viable for small machines but eddy current losses with solid discs can be appreciable is the excition field if not uniform .

Hope this answers a few questions about these machines

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2008, 04:55:11 AM »
Maybe this point hasn't been made here in this thread yet - but

If you attach the magnets to the shaft so they spin WITH the disk,
there IS NO BACK EMF.

theres nothing to push against, the magnetic source is spinning with the disk.

but the field, being circular, remains stationary.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2008, 07:36:52 AM »
What is so unusual about the homo polar generator is that it defies logic that it takes torque even with the magnet spinning with the conducting disk .  Intuitively it seems impossible that the magnet can resist rotation when it is just spinning in space with the disk.  Faraday was unable to prove if the magnetic field rotated with the magnet or not although it appears that it does not.

 

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