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Author Topic: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma  (Read 230255 times)

Offline dtaker

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Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« on: December 01, 2005, 08:55:54 AM »
Hi Guys, I'm new here  ;) and would like to suggest a new category for 'free energy' generators a quick (rather long read) of it's nature http://www.rexresearch.com/kinchelo/kinche~1.htm
simple experiment:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/farhom.htm

Homopolar (Faraday) Generators has been known for 150 years and is very simple, see links, and is capable of 200 to 300% overunity.  Most of the time, it generates low voltages 1 to 30 volts but with very high current.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 10:31:24 AM »
N-machines do not work over 100 % efficiency.
This was all well worked out during the 80s and 90s.
I have visited Bruce de Palma in 1987 and had good cobntact with PSITRONICS,
who had tried all things and put 200.000 DM into machines and never got
over around 100 % with an error rate of +-5 %.

The Kinchelo report seems to be flawed. Also only incremental efficiencies are compared.
The brushes have a nonlinear resistance, that is why these reports are flawed or wrong conclusions
are drawn from it.

The N-machines are a "dead horse".

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2006, 12:00:16 AM »
Hello,

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N-machines do not work over 100 % efficiency.

That's true, but they can deliver high current! Maybe useful for electrolysis!

Greetings

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2006, 04:28:58 PM »
N-machines do not work over 100 % efficiency.
This was all well worked out during the 80s and 90s.
I have visited Bruce de Palma in 1987 and had good cobntact with PSITRONICS,
who had tried all things and put 200.000 DM into machines and never got
over around 100 % with an error rate of +-5 %.

The Kinchelo report seems to be flawed. Also only incremental efficiencies are compared.
The brushes have a nonlinear resistance, that is why these reports are flawed or wrong conclusions
are drawn from it.

The N-machines are a "dead horse".

Regards, Stefan.

The N-machine might be a 'dead horse', but I believe that the Faraday disk generator (homopolar generator) holds the best solution and opportunity to produce electricity of any method now available.  It induces current constantly, as opposed to a standard alternator that only produces pulses of power.  I am working on designing a method to possibly greatly enhance the ability of the Faraday disk generator.  It appears to be feasible, so far, but is only in the design stage.  I will release more if I end up building and testing it.  But that is all I can say about it for now.

Liberty

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 01:35:58 PM »
Very good Liberty!. This topic has needing a revival.
The Faraday Disk (the primitive version of generator homopolar) was the first electric generador being replaced by the alternating current system we use today invented by Nikola Tesla. Paradoxally also Nikola Tesla was the first to say that back-torque may be artfully reduced to much less than a classically-figured level on a Faraday Disk machine. Here the document written by Tesla: http://www.stardrivedevice.com/Tesla_notes.html
It is interesting that still today the physics are looking for a satisfactory explanation, as this very good paper from the University of Maryland that strongly suggests the real explanation may lie within the purview of Special Relativity: http://www.physics.umd.edu/lecdem/outreach/QOTW/arch11/q218unipolar.pdf

What think you about this experiment?
 
One resistive load connected to disk and rotating together.
Note that no brushes are required and no relative movement between electric parts.
The temperature of the resistance might be measured by Thermography. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography)

I can't find a similar experiment on Internet.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2006, 03:59:15 PM »
The US Navy is using them in its
new class of warship:
http://www.ga.com/atg/homo.php

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 05:22:01 PM »
Very good Liberty!. This topic has needing a revival.
The Faraday Disk (the primitive version of generator homopolar) was the first electric generador being replaced by the alternating current system we use today invented by Nikola Tesla. Paradoxally also Nikola Tesla was the first to say that back-torque may be artfully reduced to much less than a classically-figured level on a Faraday Disk machine. Here the document written by Tesla: http://www.stardrivedevice.com/Tesla_notes.html
It is interesting that still today the physics are looking for a satisfactory explanation, as this very good paper from the University of Maryland that strongly suggests the real explanation may lie within the purview of Special Relativity: http://www.physics.umd.edu/lecdem/outreach/QOTW/arch11/q218unipolar.pdf

What think you about this experiment?
 
One resistive load connected to disk and rotating together.
Note that no brushes are required and no relative movement between electric parts.
The temperature of the resistance might be measured by Thermography. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography)

I can't find a similar experiment on Internet.

Hi Penguin Hood,

By the way, the penguin picture is very original, I like it. 

To answer your question, I think that relative motion from the point of power draw to the magnetic field is necessary in order to cause electron flow from a Faraday disk (homopolar generator).  My guess is that no power would flow to the resistive load spinning with the generator.

I am working on designing a way to make a homopolar generator produce a much higher voltage output (making it much more useable) while maintaining high current from one device.  It is untested, but I think that it will work, (at least it works in my head at this point).   ;)

Liberty

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2006, 01:43:16 PM »
Thanks Liberty for give your viewpoint.
Unlike all other dynamos, the homopolar generador cannot be analysed using Faraday's own law of electromagnetic induction because the magnetic field is stacionary. Moreover, the circuit in the Faraday disc is parallel to the magnetic flux vector and therefore encloses no magnetic flux.
Instead, the Lorentz force law is used to explain the machine's behaviour. This law states that the force on an electron is proportional to the cross product of its velocity and the magnetic flux vector. Which prompts the question, "velocity relative to what?". Seems that the correct interpretation of the velocity of the electron is that it is relative to the static parts of the machine, which are the sliding contacts and the circuit to which they are connected... as you said before.

Penguin Hood... another Tesla fan  ;)

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 02:12:58 AM »
I would say to an enterprising man....Read the works of Edward Leedskalnin...then go and read that Tesla article on Faraday discs....
There is no such thing as electricity.....it is magnets.
I tell you the truth....there is a whole new theory in the above mentioned works....and it has nothing to do with electrons.
To make magnetic currents from a single wire, the wire must be placed so that the magnets are going from the center to the outside or ends of the wire...and both north and south pole individual magnets....they are so small...they can pass through anything.
When they run side by side in the same direction, they are not attracted to each other.
The magnets can only run against each other!!!!  Contradiction....i think not.
When a large solid mass is put in an induction furnace, it is easier to melt than many small iron flakes....When the iron flakes are in the furnace then they throw out magnetism at their edges and it is wasted, so they melt at the bottom and can easily form a crust on top of the furnace. If a crust is formed then the center will begin to superheat. At this point the crust must be fractured to vent the gasses formed underneath.....so you see that our Earth is the same...or the Earth is subject to the same forces as an electric induction furnace.....that's why we need volcanoe's....
Since the Earth has many types of matter, it has a large crust....but it still needs venting....
In the southern hemisphere the N pole magnets are going up, and the S pole magnets are going down...In the northern hemisphere it is the opposite......
The magnets are the base of everything.
Lenz's law is incomplete in its descriptons.
The works first mentioned will refine it.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 03:22:14 AM »
I would say to an enterprising man....Read the works of Edward Leedskalnin...then go and read that Tesla article on Faraday discs....
There is no such thing as electricity.....it is magnets.
I tell you the truth....there is a whole new theory in the above mentioned works....and it has nothing to do with electrons.
To make magnetic currents from a single wire, the wire must be placed so that the magnets are going from the center to the outside or ends of the wire...and both north and south pole individual magnets....they are so small...they can pass through anything.
When they run side by side in the same direction, they are not attracted to each other.
The magnets can only run against each other!!!!  Contradiction....i think not.
When a large solid mass is put in an induction furnace, it is easier to melt than many small iron flakes....When the iron flakes are in the furnace then they throw out magnetism at their edges and it is wasted, so they melt at the bottom and can easily form a crust on top of the furnace. If a crust is formed then the center will begin to superheat. At this point the crust must be fractured to vent the gasses formed underneath.....so you see that our Earth is the same...or the Earth is subject to the same forces as an electric induction furnace.....that's why we need volcanoe's....
Since the Earth has many types of matter, it has a large crust....but it still needs venting....
In the southern hemisphere the N pole magnets are going up, and the S pole magnets are going down...In the northern hemisphere it is the opposite......
The magnets are the base of everything.
Lenz's law is incomplete in its descriptons.
The works first mentioned will refine it.


scotty1, could you please elaborate on your description above regarding the magnets and the wire? Is there a simple experiment one can do to see what it is you are saying? Sounds very interesting, and I would like to understand it completely.

Regards,
z_p_e

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2006, 06:34:24 AM »
What Scotty is saying is true both he and I have done simple experiments with magnets and proved this concept.

That is why I am able to make some headway with magnetic power.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2006, 07:25:52 AM »
All the wire testing is from Ed Leedskalnin's notes.....
Ed Leedskalnin said that his best machine uses the winding, or rotation to increase the strength of the permanent magnets......
I have a coil with an iron core and the coil is put in a N/S position. I make the N end of the core a N polarity by running current in the wire.....Now i place a steel tube around the coil and notice that the N end of the tube is a South polarity.
Each polarity is made by the way the currents are running in the wire. The currents are running in a right hand twist and the wire becomes a magnet itself.
Whenever the currents stop then there is no pressure in the wire and magnets from the air jump onto the wire....As they do they become elongated and run in the wire when the pressure is raised again.....though others jump out of the wire due to centrifugal force and crowding......
Light is the product of putting something in the magnets way....and pushing many through it.....It is not the fastest thing.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2006, 03:18:02 PM »
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Each polarity is made by the way the currents are running in the wire. The currents are running in a right hand twist and the wire becomes a magnet itself.

Are you saying the wire that you refer to (mentioned twice above) is the steel tube around the coil?

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2006, 02:15:14 AM »
Ok..i'll use my PMH to demonstrate.....
(http://)
I have marked the poles of the cores and tubes (actual steel pipes)
All the poles are caused by the way the currents run in the copper coil wire.
If 1 end of the tube be joined to the core, then you have a stronger electromagnet still.
Interesting to note, my pmh can sustain its own weight even with the steel pipes on it......indefinately!
The keeper is a laminated transformer core.

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Re: Homopolar Generators (N-Machine) by Bruce de Palma
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2006, 08:35:55 AM »
I don't remember where I got these pics from, but it looks a lot like the item in your last post. As I recall, the description of its capability to store the energization indefinately, also sounds very familiar.

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