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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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The free energy in CAPACITOR
« on: December 06, 2008, 12:50:54 PM »
Nikola Tesla pointed out that capacitor is the source for free energy.
Tom Bearden also saying that capacitor makes free energy.

Now!!!
Can this capacitor really power our house?

Any idea?



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The free energy in CAPACITOR
« on: December 06, 2008, 12:50:54 PM »

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 03:31:01 PM »
Where did Bearden ever say a cap is free energy?
I've exchanged email with Tom Bearden and what we
discussed was never so laughably simple as just a capacitor,
it always concerned using some trick like in Bedinis
motors to, as Bearden likes to put it "transduce energy from
the vacuum" in the form of a "negative energy spike",
which temporarily attracts electrons in a capacitor...
But there the cap is only used as coupling between the
"negative energy" and the positive energy in the circuit,
and you really need to shock "the vacuum" using
a high potential discharge to get the effect...

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 03:42:56 PM »
This concept is complex, many peoples thinks when read Bearden trying to power a house with a capacitor or coil, that isn't the point here.

The point here is build a device at least COP 1.0, this menas no consumes energy, because firs, is a device highly efficiente, second, gives energy to store to battery or capacitor and three takes energy fron the enviroment (vacuum) to equilibrate looses, friction gravity etc.

Bearden refers to capacitor because free energy born from the Vaccum (radiant?), if you build a device (ej: Bedini SG) and test with your tester the energy that your devices gives is only a fraction that consumes, but if you put this energy in a capacitor, you can obtain near to COP 1.0 or if you have success you can obtain COP > 1.0. This energy is obtanainble too on Lead Acid Batteries, you device run from source batt and recharge another batt, after you in theory can switch the batts, and this device can works for long time without external source.

Bearden explain us about some devices OVERUNITY COP>1, some of them is the ELETRET, is like capacitor, recharge himself with a permanent magnet between his plates, Bearden refers too about charge a capacitor and load a charge in open loop on the load, this capacitor is not a convencional capacitor electrolitic, is a capacitor with super rigid plates, this plaates no moves when capacitor charge or discharge, The cost of this capacitor is extremely high, about 300 dollars to some thousands dollars, this capacitor charge when you connect on the battery and battery no drawing current.

Free energy is possible, but for power a house I recommend begin with solar panel and wind generator, because for example a refrigerator, if the compressor motor is like a Adams Motor, or Rotor Verter, can consume about 80 watts, then you can power your house with a generator like Bedini's, but all in  your house use tech that destroys the DIPOLE. For this reason get free energy for the house is hard,

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 04:32:30 PM »
Sure, whatever. Can't really say there is much solid info in your post,
seems to be mostly enthousiasm and little realism.
I have exchanged email with Tom Bearden for a while on the subject
of his "asymmetrical regauging" of the "vacuum" (=space-time),
and on the use of capacitors to collect "negative energy" spikes
and transduce them into 'normal' electrical charge output.
I do not recall any setup suggested by Bearden to extract "free energy"
from the "vacuum" purely and solely by using a capacitor.
I do very clearly recall his interpretation of Bedini and others' devices
and his attempts to substantiate his "energy from the vacuum"
4-dimensional "dirac sea holes" asymmetrical regauging theory
as explanations for apparent OU in those devices.

Oddly enough, Bedini had a fairly nice underlying theory that did not
involve 4-dimensional "dirac sea hole"/"negative energy" pulses per se,
but in the older versions simply seems to take efficient back EMF
collection and shock charging of the main battery as the "OU"
mechanism, pointing out that shocking the batteries that way can
re"condition" the batteries and effectively give more output than
the circuit and battery would normally do.
When Bearden got himself involved with Bedini, he clearly worked
on applying his vacuum asymmetry theory on Bedinis setup.
Just like he did with the VacuumTriodeAmplifier.
And he seems to want to see every potential OU setup as an implementation
of his theory.

Which is understandable up to a point, after all, the theory seems quite
good.

But if his theory really does explain everything, then how come the MEG
he worked on with others for years and which they even applied for a patent to,
which was supposed to be based completely on the AB-effect and the
asymmetrical "vacuum" regauging as described extensively by Bearden,
still is not on the market?
Years ago they were claiming they had it working, it was definately OU,
but they were still working on closing the loop.
Yet in the mean time there has been silence, no new developments on the MEG
seem to have occurred, and there are zero versions available, neither closed-loop
nor unlooped. Nothing.
Seems a bit odd...

Anyway, Bearden to my knowledge never said that simply putting a capacitor
in a vacuum will give you output or anything like that.
First of all the term "vacuum" is meant in the sense of "space-time" and "empty space",
and has more to do with the fact that space-time is multidimensional and time must
be taken as one of the dimensions of the continuum, than that it has to do with
a region of 3D space with no matter in it.
Second, the capacitor can be used to transduce "negative energy" from the "vacuum"
(read: the 4D-equivalent of electron "deficiencies" or "holes" in the 4D Dirac sea that is ZPE),
into "positive energy" inside our slice of the space-time continuum (read: 3D electron
concentrations in our 3D space at a point in time, which is a "slice" of the 4D continuum),
according to Beardens theory, but only under specific circumstances. One of these
is what happens in the Bedini "motor"s, which is a very quick burst of very high voltage
through the primary coils. Such a very "sharp spike" of electrical charge, according to B.,
sort of knocks the local region of the space-time continuum off balance, creating an
"asymmetrical" situation, and in reaction to this the multidimensional space-time "kicks"
back a sharp "negative energy" spike, which is seen in the coils as a very brief but high
potential positive charge burst. But since it's not "normal" positive charge in 3D,
but rather 4D that briefly "leaks" into our 3D, this charge disappears or "evaporates"
again. During the brief moment that it has not yet "evaporated", it does act like positive
3D charge and does electrostatically attract 3D electrons in the capacitor.
Or so goes Beardens theory.

So you'd need an efficient circuit in which very high voltage pulses can be initiated,
and a method to capture the back emf from that spike, and then you might be able
to route the alleged negative energy to the capacitor and transduce it into positive
energy, if you do it right and your circuit is designed well.
Back emf capture, pulses, sounds very much like Bedini pulse charger "motor" setups.

I have asked him for a simple example that does not use a Bedini motor, but
that does use the same negative energy spike and capacitor transduction scheme,
but he wasn't able to give one. Or he was just way too busy. Either way, never got
an example clearer than his extensive model as described in his EftV and FEG books.

If you know something new that is not from his books, or if you have a design for
a capacitor-based OU circuit that accords to Beardens theoretical model,
please describe it? Thanks. :)

Regards,
Koen

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 09:26:40 PM »
Koen good answer...

I think who open this thread is a beginner, really, capacitor is a little key to extract energy from the vacuum, so, take your SG, and put a big capacitor 1 Farads or more, and measure the time.

My system is completly COP 1.0 measuring efficiency in this way. I've measured this test many times with differents voltage on power supply, charging the cap to 12 volts or 18 volts. All, All calculations give me COP 1.0, only you need modify the SG to get it better, coil impendances, sweet spot etc.

With batteries get the COP 1.0 is harder. I have no success with this, because I've test it with SLI batts, and no works, possibly to get high COP, with batts is better build ones cells.

I've no used a Vaccum Triode Amplifier, my results are compatible with Bearden explanations on DVD's, SG is only for beginners, is easily improved and modding to get high efficient, normally many replications on the web seems a switched conventional motor like the Adams, AND NEVER a Oscillator to produce eftv.


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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
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Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 03:57:05 AM »
@ Koen

 Sir, I would like to appologize about what i had post, i think i mis understood what mr. beardens is showing, i really thougth its the capacitor doing the free energy
 and i would like to thank you sir for clarification, i'm very interested about this method of mr. tom bearden, i included a figure where i was mis understood. thank you very much sir.

@ Patmac

  Yes sir i'm a beginner and i kept on researching on mr. bearden's method, now my question is,
  if we use the figure below are we really not make the battery drain?


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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2008, 04:14:43 AM »
having difficulties uploading my figure, allowed size is 250 sorry,
i have to edit my file first but i will try later. what i want to upload is the figure of mr bearden's charging the caps and then discharge it separately to the load.

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2008, 07:31:36 AM »
success!!!

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2008, 02:43:25 PM »
@ Koen

 Sir, I would like to appologize about what i had post, i think i mis understood what mr. beardens is showing, i really thougth its the capacitor doing the free energy
 and i would like to thank you sir for clarification, i'm very interested about this method of mr. tom bearden, i included a figure where i was mis understood. thank you very much sir.

You are most welcome and no apologies are necessary at all. :)
It is clear that you are trying to find a viable OU setup as are we all here,
and that is a commendable goal. It is also not at all surprising that you
did not entirely grasp Beardens stoy yet, as the man has produced tons of
text and to get a good picture of what exactly he is saying one would
need to read most of what he wrote and then ponder that quite a bit.
I did not nor do I now intend to discourage you from your OU studies,
and I hope my post has helped to give you a bit of a clearer picture
of Beardens story. :)

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@ Patmac

  Yes sir i'm a beginner and i kept on researching on mr. bearden's method, now my question is,
  if we use the figure below are we really not make the battery drain?

Sorry, I know this was meant @Patmac, but in regard to the pics you posted here,
I thought I'd throw in a few thoughts. ;)

Those pictures of the concept of the degenerate conductor switching circuit are
slightly different from the "transducing energy from the vacuum" principle as
used in the Bedini and VTA setups.
In this concept, Bearden basically says that potential and current, though
linked, are not indivisibly the same thing; The idea here being that current aka a flow
of electrons through a conductor does not start untill the potential difference is
"communicated" through the conductor. To put it simply, when we hook up a battery
(electron source) to a wire, immediately the potential of the battery terminals is applied
to the ends of the wire. Now the "information" that there is a potential on either end
is "communicated" through the electrons in the conductor, that "tell eachother" there
is a potential on their side. When the "information" of both the positive and the negative
terminal potential is "communicated", only then does the entire batch of electrons
"realise" they have a place to flow to and a reason to flow, and only after that they will
start to flow trough the conductor. When they're flowing, they can flow "out of" the conductor
at the batteries positive terminal and "into" the conductor at the batteries negative
terminal, replentishing the electron "content" of the conductor, and maintaining the flow.
The time it takes between the point of connection to the terminals and the point where
the electrons "realise" they can flow is called the "relaxation time" of the conductor.
Ok, now what Bearden basically says in this concept is that we can use a conductor
with a relatively long "relaxation time", and if we are fast enough at disconnecting the
battery terminals and at the same time connecting a load circuit, the electrons will
"realise" they can flow and begin to move at the exact point where the load is connected,
thus causing electron flow in the load circuit instead of the battery.
According to this idea, the electrons will flow a bit, then "realise" there no longer is a
potential difference from the battery terminals, and then stop moving again.
At this point we should switch the connections back, so that the electrons in the wire
"see" the potential again and "communicate" this to eachother again, and once again
when they finally start moving, we quickly switch the connections.
This way we would be sort of "tricking" the electrons into moving by making them "think"
there's a battery as current source, but then when they're all "convinced" that they
want to move we quickly force them through the circuit and give them no chance to
actually flow to and from the battery. Before they realise they no longer have a battery
to flow to and from, they've already moved through the circuit a little bit.
That's roughly the idea here. Hope this explanation is usefull. ;)

I must say I haven't seen one single working version of this concept yet,
but it is an interesting idea. I'm not sure if it will actually work though... ;)

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2008, 04:00:09 PM »
Tito...

For me that pic, is like a algorithm of a working devices, show some elements to develop a high efficient devices, Beardens explains only theory, obviously there are looses when you build a devices in real life. Some important elements on the pic is: Source, Collector, Load and first all THE SWTCHING SYSTEM, if you analyse that algorithm, you'll see a open loop source never is connected to load.... Now you can compare that system with Bedini SG, is 90% identical, on SG, you have Source Battery, Coil (Collector), and Load (Battery Charging), and the rotor give you timing, a little mechanical power. But on Bedini SG, only separate the (+) of the Battery source in respect to Load or Battery charging, but, Battery charing no loose negative side. SG produces the named radiant spike, and this radiant spike can supercharge a lead acid battery in proper conditions. This is not conventional energy, if you connect a bulb no light, but if connect a big capacitor is anormally charged fast with respect to watts IN. This is possible with lead acid battery in PROPER CONDITIONS BIG DEEP CYCLE BATTERIES, anothers batteries is very hard see the effect, but is possible see the supercharging effect. For example, my 5aH motorcycle battery was 12.56 volts brand new, after some cycles discharging and charging was charged with a conventional charger (SG no charge correctly SLI batts), and now show 12.72 volts when is fully charged.

To power a load with the SG you need a capacitor or lead acid batt, and power the load with another switching system on open loop. My test were with a audio car 1.5 farads capacitor electrolitic, this electrolitic capacitors flows many currents because electrolyte is for increase his capacitance, Bearden explains in his page for use a capacitor like a free energy source, you'll need a RIGID PLATES CAPACITORS, this capacitor no move his plates when is charged and discharged.


Koen

If that theory is incorrect, explains this:

Go to power station grid of you city, and go to ask, how much thousand volts is transmitting the energy, and think about the answer maybe 100.000 volts at least, look the relatively low AWG WIRE, how that THIN WIRE CAN POWER A HOLE CITY?


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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 08:21:08 AM »
@ KOEN AND PATMAC

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU SIR :)

I AM NOW MORE UNDERSTAND THE STORY SIR, THANK YOU.
NOTHING MORE I CAN SAY EVERTHING IS ANSWERED.

I JUST WANT TO GREET YOU BOTH

MERRY CHRISTMASS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! ;)



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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 12:14:17 PM »
Koen

If that theory is incorrect, explains this:
Whoa there, what theory exactly?
The theory that we can trick a circuit into thinking there is real DC current from a source,
if we can switch a degenerate conductor with relatively long relaxation time from
battery connection to circuit connection just before the relaxation time is reached?


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Go to power station grid of you city, and go to ask, how much thousand volts is transmitting the energy, and think about the answer maybe 100.000 volts at least, look the relatively low AWG WIRE, how that THIN WIRE CAN POWER A HOLE CITY?
Well first of all the wires from our power plants are quite thick, but obviously
a lot less thick then they would need to be if we were pumping DC through them. They can be that thin because we use AC. Surely you know this? AC at higher voltages
can be sent through relatively much thinner cables and over a relatively much greater distance than DC of the same voltage. Classical AC stuff, and exactly the stuff
Tesla was so excited about when he came up with AC. No longer did they need to use cables as thick as a man's arm, but they could now use very thin cables.

As far as I know that has nothing whatsoever to do with the idea of dis- and re-connecting the DC feed
to a degenerate conductor wire of aluminium-doped iron as suggested by Bearden and simultaneously
re- and dis-connecting the actual load circuit, so that the load circuit is never directly connected to the
battery and the battery never actually feeds electrons into that wire.

After all, if that were the case, we would not need to burn coal, oil, gas, whatever to produce the power in those big power plants;
if they would be using that trick Bearden suggests, they would only need to charge a battery to a very high voltage and then
apply this fast-switching trick, and they would not need to burn all that fuel, because they wouldn't need to actually produce
all the current the load circuit (in this case the power grid) would be using.

But I suspect I may not have understood what you meant entirely correctly?
If so, please indicate where I missed your point?
Or pehaps you did not follow what I meant to say entirely?
I'm not sure, but it does seem like we're talking about two different things... ;)

Kind regards,
Koen

P.S. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL :D

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 01:58:05 PM »
Hi all...Here is what Tesla said about the capacitor...

"I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower. In Colorado, I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time. You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave. The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt, an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more. That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.

I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum. For instance, if the engine is of 200 horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower. That is how these wonderful effects are produced. The condenser is the most wonderful instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive."
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art07.html

I wondered if a few people could expand on what Tesla says.

Also here.

"Counsel
I understood a little while ago when you made the statement of using several thousand horsepower put into a condenser, you could take out of the condenser a million horsepower. I wondered if you got the same condition with this machine.
Tesla
Yes; I charged the condenser with 40,000 volts. When it was charged full, I discharged it suddenly, through a short circuit which gave me a very rapid rate of oscillation. Let us suppose that I had stored in the condenser 10 watts. Then, for such a wave there is a flux of energy of (4 x 104)2, and this is multiplied by the frequency of 100,000. You see, it may go into thousands or millions of horsepower.

I also liked this part.

"You see, the apparatus which I have devised was an apparatus enabling one to produce tremendous differences of potential and currents in an antenna circuit.  These requirements must be fulfilled, whether you transmit by currents of conduction, or whether you transmit by electromagnetic waves.  You want high potential currents, you want a great amount of vibratory energy; but you can graduate this vibratory energy.  By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth.  That is what I am doing.  Or you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current. . . . The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method.  I am not producing radiation with my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. . . .In my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that the energy is radiated.  It is not radiated; it is conserved. . . ."

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 03:06:45 PM »
So he took a 200 HP motor and extracted 5,000 to 6,000 HP from it's momentum.
Charged a capacitor with it and then got millions of HP out of it.
Sounds like a 200 HP Badini motor to me.

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Re: The free energy in CAPACITOR
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 02:57:38 AM »
is it efficient if we discharge a little the caps in a coil?

and is it possible if we do it in a sequence of multiple caps?



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