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Offline gyulasun

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2008, 11:26:03 PM »
Hi Paul,

There was a thread here in 2005 active for 2-3 months dealing with trying to utilize the Johnson noise in diodes and among the contributors to that thread there were some members with diode manufacturing backgrounds so it would seem worthwhile to look for them.

The title of the thread is Diode Array, many small parallel diodes to aggregate rectified Johnson Noise   and here is the link: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=26.0

The topic is two pages long only and has not received any contribution since 2005, wonder what happened to Charles Brown's idea since then.

rgds,  Gyula



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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2008, 12:04:04 AM »
If you like diode use 100 led in series use the clear casing one red light work good , white light don't know.you will have 120 volt if you put it in the sun light.A single of those gives 1.2 to 1.5 volts,this is good but 6 micro volts is still not much.Cheap solar cell but difficult making sure getting the most light in but maybe using flat ones and glue to mirror . There are uv led and also infrared so test could be made for different light spectrum .If i put my led in series it raises the amps but getting decent current will make it much more costly and regular solar panel cheaper.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2008, 12:31:31 AM »
I occasionally talk to Charles. He's more of a thinker. Thinking is fun, but in the end someone has to do something.  8)

PL

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2008, 12:31:31 AM »
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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2008, 01:16:26 AM »
Hi All

Thanks for opening the thread PaulLowrance interesting subject.

I've been following this thread and noticed that Tom Schum did some work on the Jhonson noise effect while surfing the web, seeing he hadn't been mentioned I thought maybe some people would like to see his work and results from last year.

Array: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/array_mounted_e.jpg
Schematics:  http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/sms7621_array_sch.pdf
Test results: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/7630_data.pdf

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2008, 02:32:50 AM »
Hi,

I have Tom Schum's diode array in my lab. I still have not tested it, yet. One thing I don't like about his diode array is that it's not 100% in-series. As far as my understanding of the semiconductor mathematics, paralleling diodes increases the junction capacitance. So in Tom's case, he has 32 diodes per row in-parallel, which equals 0.5pF * 32 = 16pF. The total Johnson noise is equal to the kTC noise, which equals sqrt(k*T/C). So the kTC noise is sqrt(16) = 4 times less than a single 1N34A diode, which means the DC voltage (due to rectification) is 4^2 = 16 times less-- diode square law.

My recommendations are -->

* If one is going to test for voltage, then place all of the diodes in-series.

* If one is going to test for current, then place *groups* in-parallel. Each group should consist of at least 5 diodes in-series. The reason for not placing diodes in direct parallel connection is because it increases the junction capacitance.


If anyone's interested in the mathematics, you can find it at my website -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/physics/dirtydetails/

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2008, 02:04:32 PM »
"Smoking Gun - finally!"

Hmm, 0,2mV / 850kOhm?  ???

I suggest you change your thread title..
Sorry.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2008, 03:38:44 PM »
What's everyone's definition of "smoking gun."

PL

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Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:51 PM »
For me the "smoking gun" is what proves the concept. The first air plane, made by the Wright Brothers, had a top speed of 30 mph. It's unknown how far it would even fly, probably not very far at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer

The first patented gas powered car produced 0.7HP. The first gas powered motor probably produced hardly no power and was lucky to even run.

The first electrically telegraphed message produced practically no power to speak of. Now we have megawatt stations, and even satellites.

I think there's a first for everything. The first air plane does not compare to a Jet or Airliner. The first car does not compare to a modern car. The first telegraphed message does not compare to a megawatt station.

One would think that people would be excited of t he first *proven* "free energy' machine, which is exactly what this is. According to the mathematics, it's possible to make diode array chips that produce Kilowatts.

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2008, 04:27:50 PM »
the "smoking gun" is when you can have a diode-array power a small motor continuously.

what would it take? a shoebox full of diodes?
perhaps a coleman cooler?

an entire Garage???

3-4 million diodes might get you above the cut-off voltage of most LEDS,  but it could take a trillion more to achieve enough current to produce light.

suppose we were to start producing diodes on rolls of silicone foil,  trillions of tiny diodes per cm^3
what then? something the size of a volvo might power a computer?
and thats assuming that the EMF created by such a large array doesnt cancel out the effect.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2008, 04:31:52 PM »
Can you show where I can find that definition? I don't share your definition.

As far as trillions of diodes, like I said, modern semiconductor chip fabrication process deposits *all* of the material per layer at once. There's about 4 layers to make a simple diode. So the machines don't create each diode at a time. As far as the fabrication is concerned, it doesn't matter if there's a 1 diode on the chip or 10 trillion. All of the diodes would be made simultaneously.

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2008, 04:45:32 PM »
The definition of "Smoking Gun" -->

Wikipedia
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"The term "smoking gun" was originally, and is still primarily, a reference to an object or fact that serves as conclusive evidence of a crime or similar act. In addition to this, its meaning has evolved to uses completely unrelated criminal activity: for example, scientific evidence that is highly suggestive in favour of a particular *hypothesis* is sometimes called smoking gun evidence."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_gun

PL

Edit: added -->
So I think the first proven air plane was the smoking gun. The first proven gas motor was the smoking gun. The first proven electrically telegraphed message was the was the smoking gun. And I believe the diode array would qualify as the smoking gun.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2008, 05:57:50 PM »
Hi PaulLowrance,

 I have been thinking about what you are talking about since you first posted about it and I know have a couple of questions that I would like to ask you.

 Does anyone make micro diodes as small as what would be needed?

 If so, how much would a trillion of them cost?

 If no one makes them, how much would it cost to make?

 The other thing that concerns me is the power you are getting as to where it is actually from. The small levels you have recorded are far less then the energy your own body is amitting. So who is to say that you are actually creating a new energy source?

 Don't think I am trying to be a smart ass, I am seriously concerned about those questions.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2008, 06:12:13 PM »
There are two types of diode arrays -->

A. Made with large diodes that you solder. The *only* purpose of this diode array is to prove that passive diodes produce a DC power that can be aggregated.

B. A diode array *chip.*  This is not made with individual diodes. Again, the entire chip is made all at once!  People need to get this idea out of their head that each diode is purchased and made a once. The entire chip is made *simultaneously.*

I already built diode type A. To produce usable amounts of power someone needs to build diode type B. So again, it does not matter if there's one diode or 10 trillion diodes on the entire chip because all of the diodes are made simultaneously. You could think of like developing a photo. It doesn't make sense to say, "There are too many dots in the photo, so it's going to be too expensive."


Your other concerns have been addressed for nearly a year. I am 100% certain the energy is not coming from *any* external source. I used two layers of metal shielding and up to three layers. The old diode arrays were large, so they picked up external RF signals in the city. So I took my second diode array out to a lot of different locations far out in rural areas with *three* layers of metal shielding. My last two diode arrays are compact arrays. They are so small that while in the city of Los Angeles I can remove the lids of both metal shields and there's no change in DC voltage. I can place my hand right next to the diode array with no change in DC voltage.

BTW, the last two diode arrays are placed in a common oil bath to eliminate any measurable thermoelectric effects.

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2008, 06:30:09 PM »
A lot of questions are answered at -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=9.0

I just created two threads on how to replicate my diode array -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=15.0



Don't think I am trying to be a smart ass, I am seriously concerned about those questions.
You're fine! Given a few posts, it's easy to tell a legitimately interested person and a debunker.



PL
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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2008, 04:31:42 PM »
Just to give an idea how large the energies I am working with compared to other areas of physics -->

Photon counters count individual photons. A red 750nm photon has 3e-19 joules of energy.

I am working with a 4.7uF Mylar charging capacitor. The 156 in-series SMS7630 diode array has produced 204uV DC, which comes to 1e-13 joules.


As far as power, the Keithley 6517B electrometer can handle loads has high has 100T, and can measure down to 10uV, which comes to  10e-6^2/100e+12 = 1e-24 watts.

My diode array comes to 204e-6^2/850e+3 = 5e-14 watts.


PL

 

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