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Offline Paul-R

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 03:55:57 PM »
I wander if all those outdated IC chips going to landfill sites could be utilized for something like this.
Anyone tried measuring various leads on various IC chips to see if there is any voltage output from them?
Paul's system is based on diodes connected in series. I can't imagine why chip makers
would design such.
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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2008, 04:01:35 PM »
The SMS7630 diode has 0.14pF Cjo.  So it's a microwave diode. Most diodes have at least 20 times more capacitance, and typically over a hundred times. According to the mathematics, the DC voltage increases with a decrease in capacitance in a linear fashion. So you want diodes with low capacitance.

Next, you want a diode with low Ro (zero bias resistance) since you want to place a lot of diodes in-series to bring up the voltage so you measure it. If Ro is 20Mohms, then that's 20Gohms with 1000 diodes in-series. The great thing about the SMS7630 is that it's referred to as a ZBD (zero bias Diode), with 5400 ohms. So if the electrometer is 100Mohms impedance then it's no problem for the diode array to be 54Mohms, which comes to 54M / 5400 = 10000 diodes in-series. I believe such a diode array could produce over 20mV DC.

On the other hand, if you don't have a good electrometer, which would cost you about $20 in parts to buy and make yourself, then you could use some high capacitance Mylar capacitors. Lets say the Mylar cap has 5Gohms parallel resistance. That's close to 1 million diodes in-series, which is expected to produce at least 2 volts DC. What you would do is leave the Mylar capacitor across the diode array inside the shields for a while, nothing else. The diode array will charge the capacitors. Then remove the shield lids and place your ordinary voltage meter across the capacitors and measure the DC voltage.

As far as other diodes, I've never tested them, but according to the mathematics a 1N914 with 4pF of capacitance would produce about 28 times less DC voltage as the SMS7630. So it's best to use low capacitance and low resistance diodes.

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2008, 04:24:07 PM »
Mitch made a good post at -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=17.0

Any replies  ;)  ;)

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2008, 04:34:19 PM »
What is the Amp/Watt of the 156 mini array?

0.2mV is 0.0002 V?

18000 watts for a meters square is around 1300 x 156 diodes array, 18k / 1300 = 13.8 Watts. I dont think your small array produce 14 watts?

Anyway nice experiment, I just want to learn more about it.

0.0002V / 850,000 OHMs = 2.35 x10 ^-10 Amps. (.000000000235A = 235 nanoamps)
give or take

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008, 04:40:44 PM »
I think making chip sized arrays is something that won't happen very soon. When this happens it means a great shift in mentality has taken place for a chip factory to start working on so called free energy devices. The best thing we can do now is try and build as big arrays as possible. This can be done true patience and through collaborative work by sending arrays to each other to get  bigger result.

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Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008, 05:01:42 PM »
I think you're right about companies making diode arrays. I put in a request to have a very simple diode array built by mosis.com.  I waited two weeks without any reply, and finally contacted them. They didn't want to do it, and gave no reason, but he was kind enough to give me a phone number to call him.

IMO companies are a bit uneasy about building something that appears very odd. I don't know how so many companies know about diode arrays, but I sent Virginia Diodes Inc. an email while mentioning Charles M Brown's name. He replied back saying he'll have nothing to do with it! Apparently I'm now on their email band list.  :(

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2008, 05:47:26 PM »
Hello pix,


Quote
Electrons thermally vibrate.In a conductor a net voltage result is zero,sice process is chaotic.
But,if we find a way to implement to this chaotic movement something that will give a gradient-  a net preffered direction..... Smiley
Plus a gate.
I was thinking about this from some time already.I must find a solution.

you should read the following Aspden-Paper on the Nerst-Effect :

http://www.aspden.org/reports/Es3/

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2008, 07:34:51 PM »
Hi Paul,
good to see, that you have nailed it down now with these
diodes types and you measurements.

But for practical applications to at least light up a white LED
it would be needed really an IC chip.

So anybody got any contacts in the IC industry so a real
chip can be made to try this out ?

We really need trilions of diodes in series to get a real useful
output voltage...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2008, 07:39:48 PM »
For some time I've been working on a process to build my own diode array chips that would produce usable amounts of power. It's not a quick project. May take a year or two to fine tune. Please let me know what you think -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.0

Paul

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 07:51:57 PM »
Hi Stefan,

I agree, totally! The good news is, as I've recently learned, the modern chip fabrication deposits the *entire* elements (e.g., Silicon) all at once. So if we use 30nm technology with a total spacing of 60nm and the wafer is 10cm x 10cm then there's 2.8 trillion diodes!  That's far more than enough diodes.

See my previous post for a real proposed *home project* that could fabricate diode array chips. We can't achieve 30nm diodes, but IMO 200nm is possible with a lot of fine tuning and learning. Although initially even 1um diode technology (old technology) would provide enough to power a house. A home project could easily achieve 1um diodes.

If people interested in this could help out with advice for improving the above proposed home project then perhaps we could get the project procedure down.

For me, nothing sounds better than allowing people to make their own "free energy" machine, especially a machine that could make one entire chip per day.  :)

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 08:34:37 PM »
Hello pix,


you should read the following Aspden-Paper on the Nerst-Effect :

http://www.aspden.org/reports/Es3/

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Kator01

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_effect
"Semiconductors exhibit the Nernst effect. This has been studied in the 1950s by Krylova, Mochan and many others. In metals however, it is almost non-existent. "

Aspden: "... in steel as much as 16.6 volts could be set up by a temperature gradient of one degree C per cm if the magnetic field strength was 10,000 gauss."

One of the two above does not hold water.
Place your bets, pls.  ;)

Cheers,
Tinu

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2008, 10:18:52 PM »
They didn't want to do it, and gave no reason,

Maybe they are concerned about the yield. For example, in a PowerMOSFET, you have everything in parallel and a few broken ones don't matter that much (this can be a trap if many FETs are broken and it appears to be OK if tested without full load). Since everything is in series, there must be an efficient way to test and short out broken diodes.

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2008, 11:16:19 PM »
I don't know. They wouldn't tell me via email.

In-parallel has an equal problem of short. If one of the diodes in-parallel is shorted then the whole thing is useless. If one is shorted in-series then it's no big deal.

I would like a few hundred first in-series, and then place groups of those in parallel.

PL

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2008, 06:11:16 PM »
I think this is a great idea. One difficulty that normal semiconductor guys will have with it
is that one is going to have to optimize the semiconductor structure in a way *opposite* for
normal semiconductor process. There may be fears of setting up a conflict of knowledge.

The other thing I think, one should do is build in energy self limiting circuit structures inside, to prevent
things from burning up when accidental exposed to large amount of power in a beam. Like X-ray or
Cell-phones. Possibly by having an external energy dump resistor. That way one would not
have to build a physical isolation chamber to keep the device within spec in event of
an accidental exposure. Those power specs are everything that is important...it is not
absolute device power that is important to making the device a commercial success.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: "Smoking Gun" - finally!
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2008, 09:15:48 PM »
You should definitely invite Z-monkey in here as he has a lot of work experience in semi conductors and might have some useful connections.

 

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