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Offline Bennyboy

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #525 on: February 11, 2009, 06:12:07 AM »
@sparks

Thanks for your input to this forum firstly, I get a lot from reading your posts.  You have a LOT of knowledge and also some credible theories.  I'm interested to know if you're a builder as well, or if not, how can you resist trying to put your ideas into practice?

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« Reply #526 on: February 11, 2009, 06:50:30 AM »
@gotoluc and all

Don't worry about threads. They are always here, ready to re-open anytime it is needed. No one signed a contract to release as per a set schedule so cut yourselves some slack guys. You have done some great work here and have prepared a base for others. Around here, we really can't ask for more. So thanks. Let's see what happens with @Groundloops circuit.

I myself am working on the FTPU right now, resonance and all. Just learning about the possibilities of how to drive it thanks to all the learning about resonance techniques is part and parcel. lol

But guys, here is an angle on pulsing your coils to resonance. Try to take the audio output of your computer sound card, put it through a small mixer or amp and connect it to your coils as left, right and common. I use a small mixer and take the headphones output via the available jack. Then use a frequency generator like the one I put here......

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Learning%20Electronics/software/
click on the following file to download it FrequencyGenerator.zip
It is only one file so you can just put it on your desktop, or anywhere else.
Lot's of fun. Crazy scope shots and you will understand about phasing and using two frequencies. You can open more then one windows and have more frequencies if you need it. .

Keep on keeping on.

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« Reply #527 on: February 11, 2009, 04:14:13 PM »
@ Gotoluc

This thread was good for teaching us the basic of resonance and how to experiment with it , It is like taking your circuit sim into reality and seeing the effects for yourself . This thread had its moments , but now it is time to take what you learned and apply it to SOMETHING THAT CAN WORK

Like other people said , maybe try building some of tesla's work ? A tesla coil perhaps ? You can purchase a step-by-step guide on how to make this .




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« Reply #528 on: February 11, 2009, 07:27:45 PM »
@gotoluc and all

Don't worry about threads. They are always here, ready to re-open anytime it is needed. No one signed a contract to release as per a set schedule so cut yourselves some slack guys. You have done some great work here and have prepared a base for others. Around here, we really can't ask for more. So thanks. Let's see what happens with @Groundloops circuit.

I myself am working on the FTPU right now, resonance and all. Just learning about the possibilities of how to drive it thanks to all the learning about resonance techniques is part and parcel. lol

But guys, here is an angle on pulsing your coils to resonance. Try to take the audio output of your computer sound card, put it through a small mixer or amp and connect it to your coils as left, right and common. I use a small mixer and take the headphones output via the available jack. Then use a frequency generator like the one I put here......

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Learning%20Electronics/software/
click on the following file to download it FrequencyGenerator.zip
It is only one file so you can just put it on your desktop, or anywhere else.
Lot's of fun. Crazy scope shots and you will understand about phasing and using two frequencies. You can open more then one windows and have more frequencies if you need it. .

Keep on keeping on.

Thanks for your great post wattsup :) and also for the software Generator.

If only someone made a multi channel output USB card that could go to the Mhz range at a reasonable price, that would be Icing on the cake.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc


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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #529 on: February 11, 2009, 09:13:44 PM »
Hi everyone, (as Luc would say  ;D)

this is my first post in the overunity forum, since I'm still a newbie in the ou world
I accidentally became aware of the possibility of free energy about 3 or 4
months ago. I'm just in a learning curve all around this topic, still looking for a
project matching with my abilitys (knowledge, available time ...)

@Gotoluc and all you kind people

Luc, I was mostly impressed from your first and the second video with the
avramenko plug. I've some ideas to further test this circuit, but don't know
if you already made these modifications? Perhabs these questions are already answered in
this long thread, but I haven't found time yet, to read entirely trough it
(only about the half). If

1) Why have you left the avramenko plug from your first two videos and use
only secondary windings now?
2) Have you already tried to load the capacitor that you charged via the
avramenko plug with your 5 or 10 ohm resistor (as you made with the caps in
your later videos)? If so, what voltage could you messure under such
heavy load?
3) What happens if you plug not only one but two or more avramenko plugs
between Coil and Capacitor of the resonance circuit. Does it effect the
oscillation or the input amp draw. Do two avramenko-plugs charge their caps
as good as one, or only half as good?
4) If you use secondary windings, to extract some energy, what would one
or more additional avramenko plugs do to the circuit?

I also want to replicate your findings and answer all these questions by myself
but I've actually very few time left for experimenting :-\ (should read through
this entire thread first). Perhabs you have all the stuff ready in place to do
some of these tests and answer my questions. Or perhabs you had they
already done and know the (possibly bad) answer...


Regards
Michael

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« Reply #530 on: February 12, 2009, 06:13:13 AM »
Hi Michael,

welcome to the forum, this topic and the world of over unity seekers.

For being new to OU... I would say you have been doing your homework.

You are asking good questions and most I don't have answers for since I didn't try it yet.

I think the reason I didn't continue testing with the Avramenko plug is that the secondary was showing better results as far as handling a load (10 Ohms resistor) then the Avramenko plug was. So I just continued testing with that. This does not mean that the Avramenko plug is not worth researching, it is just the direction I took at that time.

There are so many combination to try that it sometimes overwhelms me :P  You will see once you get to start testing.

I cannot change the direction taken at this time but I will keep it in mind if I go back that route ;)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and all the best in your research.

Luc




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« Reply #531 on: February 12, 2009, 08:06:56 AM »

I think the reason I didn't continue testing with the Avramenko plug is that the secondary was showing better results as far as handling a load (10 Ohms resistor) then the Avramenko plug was. So I just continued testing with that. This does not mean that the Avramenko plug is not worth researching, it is just the direction I took at that time.


Hi Luc, thanks for the fast reply.

If you found out that the secondary was performing better with the 10 Ohm load, can you remember how it was with the avramenko plug. Could you still measure any reasonable voltage across an avramenko plug with the load connected?

Anyway, I wish you all the best progress in your research. I will keep up reading and learning about this stuff and I hope some day to find time to follow up your work (perhabs being able to contribute something)

Cheers
Michael

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #532 on: February 12, 2009, 01:44:57 PM »
Luc,

I am just taking some time to think about some of what has been discussed and I have been reading more about inductors.

What is taking place in an Inductors is not simple.

Below are some excerpts from one of the documents I have been reading.
http://www.g3ynh.info/zdocs/magnetics/part_1.html


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Simple coils of wire are dispersive.
Dispersive in an electrical context, where a dispersion region is a frequency range over which permeability or permittivity is changing.

The term 'refractive index' is not much used in electrical engineering; but many will be familiar with 'velocity factor', which is its reciprocal.

This begs the question; "what has velocity got to do with inductance?" to which the answer is; "rather a lot". The traditional understanding of coils depends on the idea that they are effectively electromagnets, and that they have reactance because energy is stored in the surrounding magnetic field.

This picture is mostly wrong, even though it suffices at low frequencies. If we may take the liberty of using the word 'light' to mean electromagnetic radiation of any frequency; what a coil really does is to modify the refractive index of space in its vicinity in such a way as to bend light and force it to follow the electrical conductor.

All electrical circuits do that of course, but in inductors, the path is deliberately made long. Hence a coil is a waveguide or transmission line, which stores energy by trapping and detaining 'light' which would otherwise have made a much shorter journey.

The inclusion of self-capacitance into the lumped-component model gives rise to the prediction that a coil will still exhibit parallel resonance in the absence of an external circuit. This is indeed correct; except that, unless the coil is extremely long and thin, the actual self-resonance frequency (SRF) is considerably greater than predicted. This failure of the lumped component theory is mainly due to the onset of another dispersion-related effect; this time in which the apparent inductance declines (presuming that we adopt the view that the self-capacitance is constant) in such a manner that the SRF is pulled to the frequency at which the wire in the coil is very nearly one half-wavelength long.

     This time, there is no reprieve for the lumped element theory. The SRF occurs at the electrical half-wavelength point because that is the frequency at which a wave, trapped in the coil by reflection from the impedance discontinuities which occur at the terminals, arrives back at its starting point in phase with itself.

The pulling effect can be understood by considering the overall field pattern as the superposition (combination) of two waves, one traveling along the coil axis and the other following the helix.

At low frequencies, the axial wave dominates and the helical wave is forced to keep up. This causes the phase velocity (i.e., the apparent velocity) of the helical wave to be several times the speed of light.

As the frequency increases, the helical velocity falls steadily as propagation along the helix becomes increasingly important, but the change is smooth and corresponds to an impedance characteristic consistent with the lumped component model.

As the SRF is approached however, the scattering cross-section of the coil suddenly increases and the axial wave is overwhelmed. Hence the impedance characteristic deviates as the coil 'locks-on' to the half-wave resonance.

It seems to me that for anything unusual to happen in an inductor that it should occur at a low frequency where the helical wave was several time the speed of light.


-Duff

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Low frequency meaning frequencies below the SRF of the inductor.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2009, 02:19:58 PM by duff »

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« Reply #533 on: February 12, 2009, 02:28:30 PM »
@Duff

Thanks for that read, giving a very good technical explanation of what we are seeing in coils. Makes sense and puts a good visualization of the event.

But low frequency should have to be DC pulsing since with DC you will find many resonance points far below the single resonance point you will find with AC sine or square wave pulsing coming from a FG.

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« Reply #534 on: February 12, 2009, 05:01:07 PM »
    This is a great site for explaining some of Tesla's work and theory.  It is all about inertial waves in an electrical circuit.  Suppose a wave induced in the outer periphery of the cone resonator.  As the wavefront progresses through the conductor media it encounters a smaller and smaller radius which translates to a higher and higher rotational velocity of the wavefront.  As this wavefront reflects at the inner core of the helice it then constructively interferes with inputted waves until the coil reaches resonance.  Now view the wavefield distribution as a velocity distribution.  Upon attaching the base of this resonator into a large electric field.  One can see that the inertial flow distribuition will expand into this field.  With the wave front  going slower and slower at increasing radi but always returning to the high velocity inner core where it is reflected again.  The resonation then becoming magnified.

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm

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« Reply #535 on: February 12, 2009, 05:42:25 PM »
Very good post and information Duff.

If we look at the resonating bridge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs what causes this huge energy buildup to the point of mass destruction?

Is it the 43 miles per hour wind that can destroy this mass?... is it the steel cables suspending the bridge that are being vibrated at fixed speed (frequency) by the wind to which are resonating the bridges 8 feet high steel girders?

I think this is one of the greatest filmed over unity demonstration of huge energy potential caused by a combination of events.

Let us think about how much mechanical energy would we need to put into this to tare that bridge apart like it did?

Imagine if they had cables attached to the bridge and used the oscillations to pull a mega watt generator back and forth how much energy they could of made :o and possibly kept the bridge together if the load on the generator was enough to keep oscillations below the point of self destruction :P ... nothing else around was braking apart by the 43 mph wind ???

Why don't they build wind generators on this principle?

What we need to do is think of the combination of events we need to get a circuit to output huge power like this.

Please share your thoughts and ideas.

Luc


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« Reply #536 on: February 12, 2009, 06:21:06 PM »
    As seen by this resonant structure.  Pressure and inertia when in concert stores or converts energy into mass.  Now imagine slightly off tuning so that the nodes seem to travel through the mass.  Then a car perched at the crest of a wave would experience an acceleration across the bridge without damping the oscillations.

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« Reply #537 on: February 12, 2009, 07:19:02 PM »
@gotoluc

On the bridge, the wind is probably coming from more then one direction and it is the coupled effect. If one is in resonance to the bridge structure and another is slightly off.

This is one reason why I suggested you try the audio scheme. You can see it on the scope by using only one frequency to reach resonance, then use the second frequency at the first frequency less 1 hz and put the phase off by at least 6.84 degrees, then watch your scope. This would also provide you a secondary method of pulsing to "learn even more" under the same coil conditions which you use the regular FG.

You can even use the two audio signals to run two mosfets and use the phasing and frequency to pulse dc in soooooo many ways. lol

The way I see it like with one frequency you take up space in mass and with the second frequency you create movement inside the mass depending on how they compliment each other..

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« Reply #538 on: February 12, 2009, 07:48:13 PM »
@gotoluc

On the bridge, the wind is probably coming from more then one direction and it is the coupled effect. If one is in resonance to the bridge structure and another is slightly off.

This is one reason why I suggested you try the audio scheme. You can see it on the scope by using only one frequency to reach resonance, then use the second frequency at the first frequency less 1 hz and put the phase off by at least 6.84 degrees, then watch your scope. This would also provide you a secondary method of pulsing to "learn even more" under the same coil conditions which you use the regular FG.

You can even use the two audio signals to run two mosfets and use the phasing and frequency to pulse dc in soooooo many ways. lol

The way I see it like with one frequency you take up space in mass and with the second frequency you create movement inside the mass depending on how they compliment each other..

Great and simple to understand post wattsup  ;)

I guess it's about the same as sparks posted above but you wrote it in a way my simple brain can understand it ;D

I'll start playing around with this and post if or when I get results.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

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« Reply #539 on: February 14, 2009, 08:25:55 PM »
Hi wattsup and everyone,

I tested your suggestion and noticed much swings on the coils output using the scope.

I then used a coil that has triple identical winding and used outer winding for left pulse, center winding for collection and inner winding for right pulse. I found that even though the peaks go higher during the swing up period they also drop so if you have a fixed load on the collection coil this will give you less sustained energy than if you have both frequencies equal. However I noticed that keeping the frequencies equal and adjusting the phase to 40 degrees on the left channel this gave the highest sustained output. However that could be just the characteristics of the sound card I'm using.

I played around with this setup for more than one day but have not really found an advantages if the collection coil is under load. However we need to understand that my coils were not at resonance as they have not been made to resonate at such a low frequency as 20Khz or less, so all I was testing is only the effects of frequency and phase shifts in a coil.

I welcome your input or anyone else who may think I'm missing something about this technique.

Luc

 

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