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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #345 on: January 05, 2009, 05:20:36 AM »
Sparks pays attention when briefed.  ;D  Kudos and all due respect to you sir!

LMD wave is in the dielectric of the coax, condcutor is a guide.

Answers to questions - may all "trolls" break out a fresh pen for the log book.

1. Why did Tesla use the pancake coil arrangement?
Tesla found that a compression field was produced inside a circular conductor, rarefaction field (decompression is produced outside a circular coil).  This compression field is transformed by the secondary, resulting in a very high potential.  Depending on the variables the highest potential may NOT be at LC resonance, hence he tuned for effect.  The compression only occurs during the rise of the pulse, with decompression occurring at the fall of the pulse.  Like I have said over and over - compress - compress - compress - no decompression or you lose it.  Back many years ago this was loosely referred to as "field pumping" by some basement experimenters - 1000:1 gain.  As far as I know they are all gone as I can locate none of them.

What am I talkin' about?  CAVITATION OF THE MEDIUM ITSELF!

2. Why is the primary outside the secondary?  Why MUST it be this way?
The compression field will always be inside a circular conductor, to be outiside would force it to expand which is not the way it works.

3. What is the nature of the field produced in the space outside the "extra coil" and top terminal?
The "current" produced in this space is a mass-free polarization current.  No ions. No electrons.  It literally runs with gain and can achieve astronomical levels - literally.

4. Why is it a dielectric effect and not a reactive power one?
Different direction.   Reactive power is a state of storage not a current.

5. Regarding Tesla's short strap, what was occurring along its length?
If we refer to the same thing, then the short strap is a primary and not a coil of high self-induction which would have the loads connected to it.

Cold electricity is like a pressurized energy state - it seeks to balance - to relieve the pressure - like everything else.

Something else of note, when Tesla referred to "currents of conduction" - in what medium was he referring to?  Not a conductor, but a dielectric medium!



I also dont want to get into a pissing contest, so I will not reply to any of the statements you have made, (im not saying you are wrong!) But I do want to point out that you have pointed out more effects without pointing out how they should be used. If it is energy we are after, how do these observations lead us in that direction?

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #345 on: January 05, 2009, 05:20:36 AM »

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« Reply #346 on: January 05, 2009, 06:02:21 AM »
I really appreciate everyone's comments ;D... this is good but I would like to also remind you that myself and I'm sure many other who maybe in the background reading this topic would like to see some kind of working or even semi working device demonstrating what is being shared here.

How about we start this New Year with this new frame of mind!... We build and demonstrate what we share ;)... and if we don't have the ability to build, then we submit a detailed proposal of what is needed to see if someone is ready or capable to take on the task.

If we really want change, then we will have to get involve in some kind of physical testing of all this great information being shared here.

Lets work at re-inventing our World :)

Thanks for sharing and your understanding

Luc

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« Reply #347 on: January 05, 2009, 03:54:37 PM »
I also dont want to get into a pissing contest, so I will not reply to any of the statements you have made, (im not saying you are wrong!) But I do want to point out that you have pointed out more effects without pointing out how they should be used. If it is energy we are after, how do these observations lead us in that direction?

See the answer to number 3.

It all started when Tesla noted the forces of compression and rarefaction when the switch wa thrown - compression it's not really "stronger" - just focused - whereas rarefaction is going out in all directions - which is why it is cold - just like releasing air from a tank.  Notice that cold electricity moves along the conductor to dipoles such as capacitors (top terminal of a magnifier and plate in the ground), batteries (Bedini is actually correct), and planet earth (from the sun).

Remember Dollard's video with the two Tesla Transformers when he lit some bulbs and the copper rod was attracted to them?  The cold current, as it is called, resides between the transformers.  So, they are transformers in the sense that they increase voltage withing their windings, and they are coverters.  Look at Tesla's famous images of the various means to convert by discharge (keep in mind that all use a coil of high self-induction which is not depicted very well by a short line).

Remember the tale of Tesla's discovery of magnification?  When he placed a coil within his thick opper strapped and applied impulses to it?  That was not LC resonance, not with some arbitrary coil place within a copper loop.

Does everyone remember the Sun/earth/TPU image posted by Sauron a long time ago?  and his references to tuning forks?

Sorry for mucking up the "resonance" thread.  I'll let you all get back to that.

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« Reply #348 on: January 05, 2009, 04:41:18 PM »
Gotoluc,  Thanks for leading me to the osilliscope that you are using I will be buying one.  With your redo of Armadn03 resonances with a coil, and two light bulbs, one within the LC and the other before the LC to show current draw.

I understood this before UNTIL you showed that different cap values actually increased or decreased the amount of current draw from the FG.  I just thought that when you put a different value cap in, and readjust the FG to the new resonant frequency of the coil, that was it.  Can someone explain why the dirrent value caps, even though they were all tuned to resonance, gave different current draw from the FG.


Second, Ive been on the side lines following and listening and wanted to congratulate all on the progress of this thread. 

I got really confused when this circuit came into play that everyone is getting the boards made for. 

I have Armagdn03 Pulsed DC circuit driver, will that function the same, and I assume a FG will also work well but a lower power level.  Hopefully I could get this explained also so I can get up to speed.  Hopefully this will help others also.  Thanks again Fern
Thanks guys

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #349 on: January 05, 2009, 06:55:58 PM »
Tesla hid some very intersting clues in patents not nearly exciting as his magnifying transmitter, some of these patents include therapeutic devices whereby two wires could be connected anywhere on a short strap and a differing potential would develop across the two wires, the potential developed across the wires was based on how close the wires fell to maximum and minimum potentials of a wave form or changing tensions on the wire ----

That sounds familiar...

Video by Karl Palsness on the Energetic Forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWF50fUoYY

maybe not the same patant, but sounds like a similar principle...

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« Reply #350 on: January 05, 2009, 09:07:48 PM »
Gotoluc,  Thanks for leading me to the osilliscope that you are using I will be buying one.  With your redo of Armadn03 resonances with a coil, and two light bulbs, one within the LC and the other before the LC to show current draw.

Hi clone477,

I'm glad my tests and time I take to share is helping others. The usb scope is great when using only the 10 volts RMS or output of the FG but anything higher than that like if you used Groundloop' s H-Bridge switching 40vdc, the RF from the resonating coil is so much that it jams up the scope interface without even the probe connected to the coil. It would probably do that to any electronic devices as I found that my capacitance meter does not even give correct reading if a coil is resonating using only the feed the FG ;D  If you looked at Tutorial 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQvqTpBdiQ you will see that with the probe connected directly on the resonating side of the coil the voltage gets very high and that was using only 7 volts RMS from the FG. So imagine what it is at 40 volts RMS :o

I understood this before UNTIL you showed that different cap values actually increased or decreased the amount of current draw from the FG.  I just thought that when you put a different value cap in, and readjust the FG to the new resonant frequency of the coil, that was it.  Can someone explain why the dirrent value caps, even though they were all tuned to resonance, gave different current draw from the FG.

Sorry I can't explain that one. I found this through much experimenting ;D


Second, Ive been on the side lines following and listening and wanted to congratulate all on the progress of this thread. 

I got really confused when this circuit came into play that everyone is getting the boards made for. 

I have Armagdn03 Pulsed DC circuit driver, will that function the same, and I assume a FG will also work well but a lower power level.  Hopefully I could get this explained also so I can get up to speed.  Hopefully this will help others also.  Thanks again Fern
Thanks guys

What I have found is a single transistor can create an on off square wave (aka chopped DC) but it is not a true polarity reversal like the square wave coming from you FG. The H-Bridge will do a true polarity flip flop of the DC input and at the frequency you send from your FG just like a stand alone FG output does. I have had no luck in resonating coils using chopped DC and a Capacitor in series or in parallel but as soon as I use square wave from the SG or the H-Bridge then I get the coil resonating if I use a series LC however it does not work with square wave in a parallel LC. If you find anything different then what I just shared please do let me know so I can test it once again.

Luc

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« Reply #351 on: January 05, 2009, 09:20:01 PM »
That sounds familiar...

Video by Karl Palsness on the Energetic Forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWF50fUoYY

maybe not the same patant, but sounds like a similar principle...

Hi Sephiroth,

this is an interesting effect;)... I have posted this before at page 26: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6225.msg146308#msg146308

I know Karl Palsness and even went to his lab with Thane Heins last year. Great guy ;)  and very knowledgeable.

He is a member at the Energetic Forum and here is the topic to which was also posted on page 27: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3467-teslas-stout-copper-bars-hairpin-circuit.html

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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« Reply #352 on: January 05, 2009, 09:24:55 PM »
Hello,

The reason the caps change the resonant point, is because resonance is a product of two seeming opposite conditions, in this case inductance and capacitance, change one and you change the resonant point.

I would also suggest to read up on impedance of inductors, capacitors, and LC networks. Impedance is a resistance to flow and is measured in ohms, though it is not associated with traditional resistance. For example, a coil may have an ohmic resistance of 5 ohms, but an impedance of 100 when AC power is applied.

As for which circuit to use, you have your choice of methods, and tinkering with them all will teach you a lot. With the signal generator, I was using a square AC wave which is what the circuit that is being thrown about is duplicating. I also have a video of a similar effect with simply pulsed DC, but to get a feel of which is right for your application you may need to try both. When I get down and dirty pulsing resonant components, and want to use pulsed DC, Teslas Inductive collapse trick as shown in the Apparatus for the Production of Ozone is fantastic. Not only can the high self inductance coil be made to do work with its magnetic field for no extra power draw (huge ass hint, Bedini "stole" this idea from Tesla by the way) but it raises the potential corresponding to the dI/dt Faraday law formula, meaning switching times can up your voltage.

In order to get a good value HSI, I would recommend using the time constant forumlas of an inductor in order to find how much amp draw you are getting for your switching time, and to make sure you are not going over the saturation point (roughly just over 5 time constants). At saturation  the magnetic component no longer grows in the inductor, and conduction takes place. Any such conduction without field growth is loss and causes inefficiency.

There are many paths to the same goal.

Get familiar with the basics. Once you have them down, its easy to start putting pieces together and see where advances can be made. Think about it, who did the pioneers ask when they had a question! If you don't know the answer to something, try to think of an experiment you can do to give you the answer you want. Almost everything I know and have found has been through meticulous study of the different EM properties and relations, along with a finely tuned bull shit sensor

But by all means, don't hesitate to ask questions about those really tough ones!

Gotoluc,  Thanks for leading me to the osilliscope that you are using I will be buying one.  With your redo of Armadn03 resonances with a coil, and two light bulbs, one within the LC and the other before the LC to show current draw.

I understood this before UNTIL you showed that different cap values actually increased or decreased the amount of current draw from the FG.  I just thought that when you put a different value cap in, and readjust the FG to the new resonant frequency of the coil, that was it.  Can someone explain why the dirrent value caps, even though they were all tuned to resonance, gave different current draw from the FG.


Second, Ive been on the side lines following and listening and wanted to congratulate all on the progress of this thread. 

I got really confused when this circuit came into play that everyone is getting the boards made for. 

I have Armagdn03 Pulsed DC circuit driver, will that function the same, and I assume a FG will also work well but a lower power level.  Hopefully I could get this explained also so I can get up to speed.  Hopefully this will help others also.  Thanks again Fern
Thanks guys
« Last Edit: January 05, 2009, 11:42:17 PM by armagdn03 »

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #353 on: January 06, 2009, 01:11:48 AM »
@armagdn03

You mentioned you were driving the ozone patent with an AC square wave. So since you needed to create a short, were you using a pnp mosfet (or npn connected backwards) or something similar connected to the FG. I have tried it already with an IRF840 but have found that one wrong move and the mosfet toasts probably because the current reversals are just to severe.

@all

I have an unrelated question regarding charging of a capacitor. I have a capacitor that is 88uf 1200vdc which is very very big. I use it as my standard cap tank with a diode and load it up from all my experimental outputs. Without getting into the circuit itself which is not important here, the circuit outputs in 1-2 volt increments and within about 90 seconds (voltmeter on the capacitor), I can get the capacitor charged to about 400 volts. What I am wondering is how come the capacitor is getting charged so high with only 1-2 volts.

If I use an analogy that the capacitor is a pressurized water tank and I am pumping water through a check valve and get the pressure up to 100 psi, for me to bring the pressure up to 105 psi, my pump has to able to develop that pressure level. Even if I didn't use a pressurized tank but a water tower, as the water rises, I would still have to counter the increasing back pressure.

So I am wondering why I can do it with a capacitor with only 1-2 volts rises, or is it because all I can see is the 1-2 volts but behind this simple rise are spikes that are going as high as 400 something volts.

To charge a 12 vdc battery, I need at least 14 volts so how come the capacitor is different or why does the capacitor not create a back pressure on the diode to inhibit any more voltage rise. Or have I lost my rocker and going into regression. (Don't answer the last question - lol)

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« Reply #354 on: January 06, 2009, 01:22:18 AM »
Wattsup:
   On your cap charge up, the 1 to 2 volts you see is most likely on a meter.
That is how fast the meter can respond to the input spikes. Yes, if you look
at the input with a scope, you may well see spikes clear off the scale. That
is a normal for the bedini motor. Measured is around 3 to 4 but I can easily
go up to 450 on the cap if left to run. Putting a regular house lamp across it
will blow the lamp out as well.

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« Reply #355 on: January 06, 2009, 02:58:22 AM »
@armagdn03

You mentioned you were driving the ozone patent with an AC square wave. 

Hi wattsup,

below is what armagdn03 wrote!... pulsed DC is used in the Tesla ozone Patent.  Luc


Part of armagdn03 post:

When I get down and dirty pulsing resonant components, and want to use pulsed DC, Teslas Inductive collapse trick as shown in the Apparatus for the Production of Ozone is fantastic. Not only can the high self inductance coil be made to do work with its magnetic field for no extra power draw (huge ass hint, Bedini "stole" this idea from Tesla by the way) but it raises the potential corresponding to the dI/dt Faraday law formula, meaning switching times can up your voltage.

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« Reply #356 on: January 06, 2009, 03:11:32 AM »

Luc, is it possible to adjust the pulse rate on Tesla's Apparatus for the Production of Ozone ?

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« Reply #357 on: January 06, 2009, 03:39:25 AM »
Luc, is it possible to adjust the pulse rate on Tesla's Apparatus for the Production of Ozone ?

Regards...

I don't know since I never built a real working model. Obviously armagdn03 has a working model!...maybe allcanadian can answer your question also since I'm quite sure he has a working model ;D and started a topic a while back: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.0 called "The Tesla Project"  which is mostly on Tesla's Apparatus for the Production of Ozone.

Luc

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« Reply #358 on: January 06, 2009, 07:00:02 AM »
@gotoluc

Thanks. I did read his post but my question was what was he using for pulsing. The question is always what where you using for pulsing. I have done it with manual micro contact, motorized indented rotating wheel and micro contact, self oscillating relay with capacitor bank speed control and mosfets with FG, audio frequency control.

In the Project thread you will learn something very important about current reversals.

@armagdn03

I forget to say thanks for the huge ass hint. You can have one coil of high inductance, or, 6 smaller coils of high inductance wound around electro-magnet cores turning one side of a dual sided magnetic rotor with generator coils on the other side feeding power back to source and you are still left with the working circuit output. Yeh. That's a good loop.

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« Reply #359 on: January 06, 2009, 04:18:31 PM »
      If we go back to gotoluc picking up the nodes to the wave distributed along his pulsed coil of high self-inductance he used a flurescent bulb.   I would hope that someone noticed it is attached to nothing.  It was responding to the electric field anomaly at this point on the coil.   There was a pole and a current of some sort to light up that bulb.  Folks will say there is no real power there you can lightup flurescent bulbs with just voltage.   You can charge up capacitors with just voltage also and discharge them to get some amps latter on.  The electric field will FLOW from what is perceived as positive to negative. 

 

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