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minde4000 · « **Reply #330 on:** January 04, 2009, 05:52:18 PM »

Ya. Measurements with charge/discharge battery bank would be great. I have wasted all my funds tryingto build fuellessengine dot com. But this coil stuff sounds much cheaper and shows somepotential if measurements are valid. I would love to build one along I dont understand electrics as well as you do. Replicating is not and issue tuning is. Keep it up fellas

Grumpy · « **Reply #331 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:44:40 PM »

Quote from: armagdn03 on January 04, 2009, 05:07:22 AM

Here is a great article which shows a good model on which to base helical resonators. This is important in understanding 1/4 1/2 full wave, etc resonators.

http://www.ttr.com/corum/index.htm

As far as I have been able to tell, the Corum's work has never explained how Tesla could easily pull 100 amps of current from his extra coil (third coil in the magnifier). They talk of standing waves and how they magnify voltage, but not how the energy in the magnifier is magnified. Also, as far as I can tell, they never produced the non-ionic charging effect around the elevated terminal of the magnifier. Richard Hull, who I believe still holds the record for longest discharges, stated that "nothing in the magnifier resonates". This is contrary to just about every explanation of the magnifier, but it's hard to deny Hull's results. Dollard did resonate his magnifer, but it was a directly coupled arrangement, where as most are loosely coupled.

In light of all the theories on the magnifier, I sort of developed my own ideas based on some interesting things that Tesla, Hull and Dollard all stated and it has nothing to do with resonance or even electromagnetic waves. It has everything to do with compression of the medium and the longitudinal waves that result from this.

Groundloop · « **Reply #332 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:58:46 PM »

@wattsup,

I have done the modifications of the najman100 PCB so that the circuit is like the new one
posted one page back. I have tested the circuit today and can give the circuit a true
green light. The switch itself uses very little current when running no load. I measures less
than 0,3 mA. I also ran the circuit with a 12VDC input and a 25 Watt (12V) light bulb as a
load. The circuit did run fine and lighted the bulb.

I have grounded all the three unused ports on the IC. I do not understand what you mean by pin 15?
I also have used the NPN version for both the high and low side of the switch. This is working OK for
me.

@najman100,

Please go back one page and download the newest posted version.

@Gotoluc,

I have finished the unit and will ship it to you tomorrow. Attached is a couple of images.
The red and black connector on the back side is for the logic voltage input. Use 15 Volt.
The red (plus) and black (minus) is the input for the low logic voltage input. The input
is secured for wrong polarity so if you mix the connectors the wrong way, nothing bad will happen.
(Do not forget to mount your 7812 regulator before testing the unit.)

The front has one female BNC for the signal generator input. The signal should be 12 volt.
The red (plus) and black (minus) is the input for the high voltage to the switch. The input
is secured for wrong polarity so if you mix the connectors the wrong way, nothing bad will happen.
The two blue connectors is the switch output.

(Edit) Attached latest version of the non mcu h-bridge.

Groundloop.

gotoluc · « **Reply #333 on:** January 04, 2009, 07:57:21 PM »

Quote from: Groundloop on January 04, 2009, 06:58:46 PM

@wattsup,

I have done the modifications of the najman100 PCB so that the circuit is like the new one
posted one page back. I have tested the circuit today and can give the circuit a true
green light. The switch itself uses very little current when running no load. I measures less
than 0,3 mA. I also ran the circuit with a 12VDC input and a 25 Watt (12V) light bulb as a
load. The circuit did run fine and lighted the bulb.

I have grounded all the three unused ports on the IC. I do not understand what you mean by pin 15?
I also have used the NPN version for both the high and low side of the switch. This is working OK for
me.

@najman100,

Please go back one page and download the newest posted version.

@Gotoluc,

I have finished the unit and will ship it to you tomorrow. Attached is a couple of images.
The red and black connector on the back side is for the logic voltage input. Use 15 Volt.
The red (plus) and black (minus) is the input for the low logic voltage input. The input
is secured for wrong polarity so if you mix the connectors the wrong way, nothing bad will happen.
(Do not forget to mount your 7812 regulator before testing the unit.)

The front has one female BNC for the signal generator input. The signal should be 12 volt.
The red (plus) and black (minus) is the input for the high voltage to the switch. The input
is secured for wrong polarity so if you mix the connectors the wrong way, nothing bad will happen.
The two blue connectors is the switch output.

Groundloop.

A million thank you Groundloop

She is a real beauty

... God Bless you for helping so much.

Your endless selfless sacrifice and service you have done to date is a rare quality to find in man in this day and age. May you receive the reward 1,000 times for your dedicated services.

Also a big THANK YOU goes to Najman100 who has jumped in and immediately volunteered his time and resources to make many PC boards for experimenters.

Peace and Love to All

Luc

armagdn03 · « **Reply #334 on:** January 04, 2009, 09:51:15 PM »

Quote from: Grumpy on January 04, 2009, 06:44:40 PM

As far as I have been able to tell, the Corum's work has never explained how Tesla could easily pull 100 amps of current from his extra coil (third coil in the magnifier). They talk of standing waves and how they magnify voltage, but not how the energy in the magnifier is magnified. Also, as far as I can tell, they never produced the non-ionic charging effect around the elevated terminal of the magnifier. Richard Hull, who I believe still holds the record for longest discharges, stated that "nothing in the magnifier resonates". This is contrary to just about every explanation of the magnifier, but it's hard to deny Hull's results. Dollard did resonate his magnifer, but it was a directly coupled arrangement, where as most are loosely coupled.

In light of all the theories on the magnifier, I sort of developed my own ideas based on some interesting things that Tesla, Hull and Dollard all stated and it has nothing to do with resonance or even electromagnetic waves. It has everything to do with compression of the medium and the longitudinal waves that result from this.

Trust me when I say, the The Corum Bros have it figured out...........Maybe you should look for their latest work.......

tak22 · « **Reply #335 on:** January 04, 2009, 10:30:35 PM »

Thanks armagdn03, I looked up the work of the Corums and found this tantalizing tech called resonant ring power multiplier (RPM), where the stated goal is energy storage, but includes this OU teaser:

Quote

At present the RPM provides a 10dB gain. This means that for every 1 unit of power input into the ring; the ring is then "pumped up" to store 10 units of power. This stored energy can then be dispatched instantaneously and continuously as clean real AC power with the current and voltage in phase. With advances in materials science, the RPM will be able to:
Achieve enhanced ring gains, providing stored power of a magnitude of up to 100 to 1000 times (20dB-30dB gains) that of the input power at room temperature.

http://www.powermultiplier.com/newinvention.php

Am I interpreting this correctly?

tak

allcanadian · « **Reply #336 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:58:30 PM »

@All
Wow, I just found this thread and it seems there is a lot of creative thinking going on here

@Grumpy

Quote

Richard Hull, who I believe still holds the record for longest discharges, stated that "nothing in the magnifier resonates".

I think anyone who states "nothing in the magnifier resonates" is the first clue that he has no idea what is going on, LOL. Everything resonates with everything else to a greater or lesser extent, the relationships between them determines the form and effects produced.
My take on this is a little different, what is seldom if ever considered is the fact that Tesla's special coil may have been copper, copper is diamagnetic having a low magnetic suseptability of -1.0, it has a resonant frequency and harmonics, it has fields influencenced by form, potential, wave period and frequency. Tesla hid some very intersting clues in patents not nearly exciting as his magnifying transmitter, some of these patents include therapeutic devices whereby two wires could be connected anywhere on a short strap and a differing potential would develop across the two wires, the potential developed across the wires was based on how close the wires fell to maximum and minimum potentials of a wave form or changing tensions on the wire ---- in this case we are speaking of relatively short wave periods. If this short strap was extended to a longer helical form then the intersection of maximum and minimal tensions could fall across parrallel conductors in this helical form, these tensions could then be considered constructive or deconstructive, they could lead or lag one another in well know phase relationships. If the wave period were minimized further we are then dealing with alternating potentials as a surface effect as shown below---eddy currents, these surface effects if expanding or radiating to the space surrounding a conductor and cutting other conductors would then constitute an induced current as induction as a general term includes both electric and what we consider to be magnetic fields. Remember induction requires change and this change must be considered in an absolute sense where all components and all forces are considered. I may not know much but I know you will not solve this riddle with generalized textbook equations, this is something very different from what I would consider standard practice. Tesla's machines utilized resonance but with what? and on what level? When you figure this out I believe you are going to be very surprised at your answer.

@armagdn03
That is a nice link, the Corums definately have something.
Best Regards
AC

sparks · « **Reply #337 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:26:45 AM »

Quote from: tak22 on January 04, 2009, 10:30:35 PM

Thanks armagdn03, I looked up the work of the Corums and found this tantalizing tech called resonant ring power multiplier (RPM), where the stated goal is energy storage, but includes this OU teaser:

http://www.powermultiplier.com/newinvention.php

Am I interpreting this correctly?

tak

I am looking for Tesla's "transformer" that 1/2 way through the patent turns into a static alternator. That's right a static alternator. The annular ring is polarized by input from an "exciter" which is just a dcgenerator that uses slip rings instead of a commutator. This creates a magnetic wave that circumnavigates the annular ring just like a mechanical rotor induces magnetic field changes inside the stator windings (which are facing the wrong way to gain anything from magnetic waves circulating AROUND the stator stack.) The rotating magnetic field is really rotating and not an apparent rotating magnetic field as produced in an ac motor. There is no lenz drag in this "transformer"/ generator because the magnetic wave is moving through the core not a mechanical rotor dragging magnets to different points of alignment with the core to mechanically induce flux density changes within the core of the stator output windings. Tesla was pure genious at work. I use to do this arrangement in testing electric motor laminations for defects that would produce eddy currents in the stack. Tesla was using the pulsed field to initiate a magnetic wave that would be amplified in the output windings just like a spinning rotor's changing magnetic field is amplified. NO WONDER THIS MAN WAS ATTACKED SO VISCIOUSLY BY THE POWER MONGERS OF THE DAY!!! The magnetic domains of the annular ring flip over adjacent magnetic domains because that's what they like to do best. The energy is from the atoms of the iron which are "cooled" off a bit while they roll into new magnetic dipole alignment.

Faraday amongst others discovered em induction but Tesla perfected it. Tesla McFarland Cook, and others including Steven Marks and GK Spherics Leedskalin are all aware of the power of a magnetic wave. When are the power companies gonna give up the game and tell the oil men we don't need your dead trees no more.

Grumpy · « **Reply #338 on:** January 05, 2009, 12:44:59 AM »

Quote from: armagdn03 on January 04, 2009, 09:51:15 PM

Trust me when I say, the The Corum Bros have it figured out...........Maybe you should look for their latest work.......

Seen Corums' work. They don't have it. Barrett neither.

Grumpy · « **Reply #339 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:07:34 AM »

Quote from: allcanadian on January 04, 2009, 11:58:30 PM

@Grumpy
I think anyone who states "nothing in the magnifier resonates" is the first clue that he has no idea what is going on, LOL. Everything resonates with everything else to a greater or lesser extent, the relationships between them determines the form and effects produced.
My take on this is a little different, what is seldom if ever considered is the fact that Tesla's special coil may have been copper, copper is diamagnetic having a low magnetic suseptability of -1.0, it has a resonant frequency and harmonics, it has fields influencenced by form, potential, wave period and frequency. Tesla hid some very intersting clues in patents not nearly exciting as his magnifying transmitter, some of these patents include therapeutic devices whereby two wires could be connected anywhere on a short strap and a differing potential would develop across the two wires, the potential developed across the wires was based on how close the wires fell to maximum and minimum potentials of a wave form or changing tensions on the wire ---- in this case we are speaking of relatively short wave periods. If this short strap was extended to a longer helical form then the intersection of maximum and minimal tensions could fall across parrallel conductors in this helical form, these tensions could then be considered constructive or deconstructive, they could lead or lag one another in well know phase relationships. If the wave period were minimized further we are then dealing with alternating potentials as a surface effect as shown below---eddy currents, these surface effects if expanding or radiating to the space surrounding a conductor and cutting other conductors would then constitute an induced current as induction as a general term includes both electric and what we consider to be magnetic fields. Remember induction requires change and this change must be considered in an absolute sense where all components and all forces are considered. I may not know much but I know you will not solve this riddle with generalized textbook equations, this is something very different from what I would consider standard practice. Tesla's machines utilized resonance but with what? and on what level? When you figure this out I believe you are going to be very surprised at your answer.

@armagdn03
That is a nice link, the Corums definately have something.
Best Regards
AC

You may continue to be foolish as long as you wish. Magnification in a magnifier is not an effect of resonance, especially not the form of resonance that you and armgn03 talk about (electromagnetic resonance). Tesla stated in his own words that you could often do better with a few turns of a secondary (transformation) than by working voltage up with resonance.

Hull's work stands as producing the longest discharges, which was his goal. He never set out to prove energy transmission. To say that nothing resonates does not mean that it was not "tuned". Hull tuned for effect.

Do you even know why Tesla used the pancake coil arrangement?

Why is the primary outside the secondary? Why MUST it be this way?

What is the nature of the field produced in the space outside the "extra coil" and top terminal? Tesla stated he would place a sheet of aluminum foil near the extra coil and it was immediately vaporized. Do you continue to believe that this is an electromagnetic effect? It is not. It is a dieelctric effect and not a reactive power one.

When Bedini stated that RE is pure reactive power - he is correct in a way - it is a "hint". It only possesses the radiant form in dielectrics.

Regarding Tesla's short strap, are you sure of what was occurring along its length?

amigo · « **Reply #340 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:49:48 AM »

Crap, let's not turn this into another pissing contest, please?

Grumpy, and everyone else, if you pose a question - answer it! Rhetorics should be saved for philosophy classes - this is about energy and most of us are learning, always. The field of alternative energy requires utmost scientific scrutiny, through both experimental and theoretical examination, not because orthodox science wants quantitative analysis but because we need to weed out fact from fiction.

If you won't dispense your knowledge then don't toss bates around or hints about knowing anything because it's becomes hear-say and mythology - and we've seen enough of that already.

Pose a question, answer it and explain why it is so (in your opinion). It will stimulate a discussion and people will learn and think of new things.

So...I'm sure everyone wants to know, please answer:

Quote

1. Why did Tesla use the pancake coil arrangement?

2. Why is the primary outside the secondary? Why MUST it be this way?

3. What is the nature of the field produced in the space outside the "extra coil" and top terminal?

4. Why is it a dielectric effect and not a reactive power one?

5. Regarding Tesla's short strap, what was occurring along its length?

Thanks !

sparks · « **Reply #341 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:42:50 AM »

The pancake coil inside the primary represents a huge diameter piece of coax.
If you look at his patent announcing this invention you realize that Tesla evented coax too. Dont know how many people here remember the old 300ohm lead ins from roof top television antennaes but it was bifilar seperated by a dielectric also. What it does do is align the dielectric current with the magnetic current so the wave keeps trucking "longitudinally" down the length of the coax. In this case the longitudinal move isn't far before it runs into the antennae.

gotoluc · « **Reply #342 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:06:49 AM »

Hi Allcanadian,

thanks for looking at this topic

... I always enjoyed reading your post and or topics!... please stick around if you can

Here is a new video I just uploaded. I've been testing different coil winding method, wire and or geometry to see if I can find any benefits compared to a standard winded coil using enamel magnet wire. I found nothing of benefit and I most likely don't understand what Tesla was using his pancake coils for

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEiQU5xn-HY

Luc

Grumpy · « **Reply #343 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:38:46 AM »

Quote from: sparks on January 05, 2009, 03:42:50 AM

The pancake coil inside the primary represents a huge diameter piece of coax.
If you look at his patent announcing this invention you realize that Tesla evented coax too. Dont know how many people here remember the old 300ohm lead ins from roof top television antennaes but it was bifilar seperated by a dielectric also. What it does do is align the dielectric current with the magnetic current so the wave keeps trucking "longitudinally" down the length of the coax. In this case the longitudinal move isn't far before it runs into the antennae.

Sparks pays attention when briefed.

Kudos and all due respect to you sir!

LMD wave is in the dielectric of the coax, condcutor is a guide.

Answers to questions - may all "trolls" break out a fresh pen for the log book.

1. Why did Tesla use the pancake coil arrangement?
Tesla found that a compression field was produced inside a circular conductor, rarefaction field (decompression is produced outside a circular coil). This compression field is transformed by the secondary, resulting in a very high potential. Depending on the variables the highest potential may NOT be at LC resonance, hence he tuned for effect. The compression only occurs during the rise of the pulse, with decompression occurring at the fall of the pulse. Like I have said over and over - compress - compress - compress - no decompression or you lose it. Back many years ago this was loosely referred to as "field pumping" by some basement experimenters - 1000:1 gain. As far as I know they are all gone as I can locate none of them.

What am I talkin' about? CAVITATION OF THE MEDIUM ITSELF!

2. Why is the primary outside the secondary? Why MUST it be this way?
The compression field will always be inside a circular conductor, to be outiside would force it to expand which is not the way it works.

3. What is the nature of the field produced in the space outside the "extra coil" and top terminal?
The "current" produced in this space is a mass-free polarization current. No ions. No electrons. It literally runs with gain and can achieve astronomical levels - literally.

4. Why is it a dielectric effect and not a reactive power one?
Different direction. Reactive power is a state of storage not a current.

5. Regarding Tesla's short strap, what was occurring along its length?
If we refer to the same thing, then the short strap is a primary and not a coil of high self-induction which would have the loads connected to it.

Cold electricity is like a pressurized energy state - it seeks to balance - to relieve the pressure - like everything else.

Something else of note, when Tesla referred to "currents of conduction" - in what medium was he referring to? Not a conductor, but a dielectric medium!

sparks · « **Reply #344 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:47:19 AM »

@gotuluc

I believe it is user Tinselkola that uses a bifilar wound primary and top wound bifilar coil. Tesla did not pulse these coils directly from the oscillator. He pulsed his primary winding of two turns with the bifilar coil INSIDE the primary. He then extended one end of the bifilar to an elevated top load and the other end to ground. This was the configuration for the transmission of power. The impedance match is built into the bifilar coil with strict adherence to the voltage developed between turns of the spiral (capacitance developed within the coil) and inductance of the mass of the copper.

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