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Offline watercellguy

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #210 on: December 24, 2008, 04:56:55 AM »
WOW, this is what I call colaboration. I'm very impressed.

najman100,

Great job on those PCBs, I know you from ionizationx. you also did a board design for that circuit I designed with stevie to drive the 3 primaries on a toroid.

You guys got me motivated to pull out my tesla coils and experiment....


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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #210 on: December 24, 2008, 04:56:55 AM »

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #211 on: December 24, 2008, 05:20:52 AM »
I was playing with another tuning capacitor on my system of Tesla bifilar coils and look what happened:
When it happened I was holding the capacitor and tuning it by hand, and the LED flared up so brightly and suddenly that I nearly crapped my drawers. It was only for a second, then it dimmed. I spent at least half an hour trying to duplicate the event, before I got it under control. I thought, OMG, I really found it, and now I'll never get it back, and I'll spend the rest of my life chasing it, like all those others, and nobody will believe me, and...
And then I found the resonance again.
I knew, obviously, that tuning the coil would have an effect, but this really surprised me.
Oddly, it seems to glow even brighter if the connection to the variable cap is loose.
I need to get a better air variable out of stock, and play with this some more, maybe improve the range and stability.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #212 on: December 24, 2008, 06:42:58 AM »
Good stuff TinselKoala ;D

Resonance is King ;)

Thanks for taking the time to share with a video demo.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #212 on: December 24, 2008, 06:42:58 AM »
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Offline Groundloop

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #213 on: December 24, 2008, 09:11:21 AM »
@Wattsup

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>>So, I know you are saying the transistor diode can handle it. For me this is EE talk. The OU talker is saying, hey, I don't want you to >>handle it, I want you to send it back to the source, period, no ifs ands or buts. This is where if both the EE and OU minds can come >>together, I know we will have some great results.

Thank you for posting you thoughts and concerns about the coil(s) back emf generated voltage. I will address this topic for you.
First take a look at the attached drawing. I have snipped out the switch part and also shown the internal diodes that is inside
the transistors. I have added a plus and minus sign at the input of the switch where the battery will be. When I say "handle" the
bemf voltage then this is my bad English for saying I have given it a lot of thoughts on how to take the bemf voltage and put it
back to the input battery instead of wasting it as heat. Also pay attention to the high voltage electrolytic capacitor.

Now let us see what happens when we start pulsing the coil. First we connect the coil to plus and minus one way by closing
two of the transistors. The coil will charge up. It is like compressing a spring. Then we open the two transistors and the coil
will decompress and release its energy. But since the transistors are off now the coil is not loaded and can decompress much
more. This will give a higher voltage than we initially provided to the coil. Where does this voltage go? It has only one path to go
and that is via one top diode and one bottom diode. This will charge up the capacitor (and the connected battery). Now we time
the next transistor switch on (this is the resonant part) in such a way that we only fill up with energy when the coil has bunched
back to a reversed polarity state and has reached its top potential. This way we do not need to fully charge the coil since we just
refill the lost energy. When the transistors open again, then the coil will stretch the other way giving out the high bemf voltage
via the two other diodes and back to the capacitor. Then we repeat the process. The timing of the switch on and switch off
is controlled by the micro controller IC so that there is a small pause between the switching that allow the coil to be totally
disconnected from the capacitor (and battery). This will allow the coil to reach its maximum peak voltage between each pulse.

I hope I have explained this good enough.

@najman100,

WoW, great looking PCB. You have done a very good job. :-)

@TinselKoala,

Great video. :-)

Groundloop.





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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #214 on: December 24, 2008, 05:58:57 PM »
@groundloop

Man OHHHH Man, You don't know how happy your explanation just made me. This is sooooo great. Finally, I think this circuit is going to be just perfect. In the many threads here, your one explanation should be the basis for any future EE circuits when designing other derivatives. THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. Tesla must be so proud. Now I can't wait. I got to have one of these. Santa really did pass early this year. Merry OU to all. Ho Ho Ho.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #214 on: December 24, 2008, 05:58:57 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #215 on: December 24, 2008, 07:10:48 PM »
groundloop, thanks for the very clear explanation. It probably accounts for what I'm seeing on my rig:
You may note that in my last video above, I don't have the DMM in the circuit. But just now I put it in, monitoring the voltage on the _input_ capacitor as usual. (BTW I put an additional 100 mfd electrolytic and a 0.5 mfd ceramic cap  across the bridge input as groundloop suggested). This reading is usually quite stable and agrees with a DC measurement of the battery voltage unloaded, when the output is also unloaded.
So it indicates +22.6 volts at the present state of charge of my LiPos.
Now, when I have that little air/mica variable tuned just right and the LED flares up brilliantly, the voltage indicated on that meter goes to a very stable -59.6 volts. That's minus fifty-nine point six volts. And when I go off the exact resonance freq, either by detuning the signal generator or the variable cap, the meter returns to the normal +22.6 volts.
I'm really surprised that it does this, considering all the capacitance I've got in parallel there. I don't know if the DMM is just confused, as predicted earlier by groundloop and Stefan (and me, and probably everybody else too), and I don't know if the analog meter will also behave this way. That's for this evening's experiment, I guess.

(Oh and btw I discovered that I can add a _third_ flat coil to the stack, and light the series bank of three LEDs with a single wire from that coil and my finger, like in the above video...but if I hook _both_ ends of that coil to the LEDs it will not light at all...)

Offline ramset

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #216 on: December 24, 2008, 10:27:08 PM »
Luc
I just got back [several days away working]
 I know you thanked me for sending the money [which is in route,in the system]

But I suspect you have another contributer [which you should have many IMO]


I Know this is more of a PM kind of thing BUT!!

Other folks are contributing to your work

I don't know if others are aware [Newer members]

This MAN, LUC Is a hero of this community

He worked for MONTHS with Thane [I think at least four] Winding coils till his fingers blead

FOR NOTHING[at least in dollars]

Also A huge contributer in DR Stillfer's work

And Now working with Groundloop and others TO CHANGE OUR WORLD FOREVER
  Chet

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #216 on: December 24, 2008, 10:27:08 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #217 on: December 25, 2008, 11:01:44 AM »
@all
Merry Christmas .

Najman100

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #218 on: December 25, 2008, 11:24:56 AM »
@Wattsup,

SNIP
"Man OHHHH Man, You don't know how happy your explanation just made me. This is sooooo great. Finally, I think this circuit is going to be just perfect. In the many threads here, your one explanation should be the basis for any future EE circuits when designing other derivatives. THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. Tesla must be so proud. Now I can't wait. I got to have one of these. Santa really did pass early this year. Merry OU to all. Ho Ho Ho."

You are kidding, right?

@Najman100,

The PCBs looks great. You have done a very good job.

Groundloop.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #218 on: December 25, 2008, 11:24:56 AM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #219 on: December 25, 2008, 02:40:28 PM »

This MAN, LUC Is a hero of this community

He worked for MONTHS with Thane [I think at least four] Winding coils till his fingers blead
FOR NOTHING[at least in dollars]

ALSO UNTIL HIS BACK GAVE OUT BUT HE DIDN'T GIVE IN EVEN THEN...
I BASICALLY HAD TO "CARRY" HIM TO THE CAR AT THE END OF EACH DAY.

THE RESPONSES HERE, THE HUMAN CO-LABOR-ATION OF ALL CONCERNED AND THE PACE IS TRUELY "INSPIRED"!

TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHO INSPIRES LUC AND TO WHOM IT'S DEDICATED...

"Love is the currency of the Divine"
http://www.eaisai.com/baba/

Sathya Sai Baba - Team Player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlH915HI-Y8&feature=related

"If there is righteousness in the heart,
There will be beauty in the character.
If there is beauty in the character,
There will be harmony in the home.
When there is harmony in the home,
There will be order in the nation.
When there is order in the nation,
There will be peace in the world." 

-Baba- 

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #220 on: December 25, 2008, 07:57:04 PM »
Luc
I just got back [several days away working]
 I know you thanked me for sending the money [which is in route,in the system]

But I suspect you have another contributer [which you should have many IMO]


I Know this is more of a PM kind of thing BUT!!

Other folks are contributing to your work

I don't know if others are aware [Newer members]

This MAN, LUC Is a hero of this community

He worked for MONTHS with Thane [I think at least four] Winding coils till his fingers blead

FOR NOTHING[at least in dollars]

Also A huge contributer in DR Stillfer's work

And Now working with Groundloop and others TO CHANGE OUR WORLD FOREVER
  Chet


LOL ;D ...Chet! ... I thought it was you. Well I'll look into it and send a thank you to the email address.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #220 on: December 25, 2008, 07:57:04 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #221 on: December 25, 2008, 08:18:59 PM »
ALSO UNTIL HIS BACK GAVE OUT BUT HE DIDN'T GIVE IN EVEN THEN...
I BASICALLY HAD TO "CARRY" HIM TO THE CAR AT THE END OF EACH DAY.

THE RESPONSES HERE, THE HUMAN CO-LABOR-ATION OF ALL CONCERNED AND THE PACE IS TRUELY "INSPIRED"!

TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHO INSPIRES LUC AND TO WHOM IT'S DEDICATED...

"Love is the currency of the Divine"
http://www.eaisai.com/baba/

Sathya Sai Baba - Team Player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlH915HI-Y8&feature=related

"If there is righteousness in the heart,
There will be beauty in the character.
If there is beauty in the character,
There will be harmony in the home.
When there is harmony in the home,
There will be order in the nation.
When there is order in the nation,
There will be peace in the world." 

-Baba- 


Thank you Thane for the praises and for sharing some of my Guru's (Teacher's) teachings.

I had not seen this video until now.

Thank you for sharing.

Luc

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« Reply #222 on: December 25, 2008, 08:57:50 PM »
Hi everyone and Merry Christmas,

yesterday I completed the full socket of Groundloop's H-Bridge version 5 (revised) and had it working very well for about 15 minutes and for an unknown reasons it just quit. I quickly pulled a MOSFET from each socket on at a time and replaced it and retested but had no luck to getting it to work again. I even replaced both IR2103 with my last ones and still nothing ???  So I just stopped. Today I looked at it again and still cannot understand what the hell :-\ is going on. Both sets of IR1203 I've tried have a trigger pulse from pin 5 but nothing coming from pin 7 ??? if all the MOSFET's are pulled out. However I have found if the MOSFET's are in the sockets pin 7 has activity but at a vary high amplitude and it does not look like a clean trigger pulse. Another thing I noticed is, when I first had the circuit working I had a meter to measure the milliamp draw from the12vdc logic side and was surprised to see it was drawing 60ma instead of 40ma from version 2 ???

Any ideas what could be going on here Groundloop?

I cannot do anymore coil tests until I have something working :'(

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #223 on: December 25, 2008, 09:07:44 PM »
Hey Luc,
One of the most fustrating problems for me with breadboard'n circuits was those dern breadboard sockets get bad connections or even no connection at all with in the breadboard.It took me 4 ever to find a section with all good remainning connections at one time.I hope maybe that's all wrong with yours but that is the most fustrating thing for me sometimes..... keep'n a good breadboard.

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« Reply #224 on: December 25, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »
Hey Luc,
One of the most fustrating problems for me with breadboard'n circuits was those dern breadboard sockets get bad connections or even no connection at all with in the breadboard.It took me 4 ever to find a section with all good remainning connections at one time.I hope maybe that's all wrong with yours but that is the most fustrating thing for me sometimes..... keep'n a good breadboard.

Hi kewlhead,

thanks for your input and suggestion. However, the circuit is all soldered on a pc board but with sockets for IC's and the FET's in case something happened to one of them... but I was expecting it to work for more then 15 minutes ;D

Luc


 

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