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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2008, 03:31:39 AM »
Thank you Groundloop for replying to TinselKoala,

I knew your 40 years of electronics experience would understand why I put the meter at that location.

Dear TinselKoala,

I know this is hard to believe!... I am doing my very best to give the most accurate measurements. A few posts above I explained to you why the meter is at that location. Also, just to not create confusion, the 50vdc capacitor is 4,000uf and not 6,000uf. The coils are connected definitely long enough that the 50vdc 4,000uf capacitor will need to draw some current trough the amp meter connected to the variac. I can leave it connected all day and nothing changes!... the draw stays the same. I though that adding the bulb in series on the positive side of the 50vdc 4,000uf capacitor was going to be enough proof (beyond meter) that no extra current is drawn when the coils are connected.

Welcome :D to Resonance, the forgotten Real Science ;D

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2008, 03:31:39 AM »

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2008, 03:56:13 AM »
@gotoluc,

The switch should not have any problem with using 12VDC for both the switch side and the logic side.

Groundloop.

Oops, my mistake ;D... you are right of course. I had the coil unplug and forgot about it ::)

It is so cool 8) to see it work ;D... I didn't change any of the SG settings. I left the car dash bulb in series and connected the logic and then connected the switch side to see how much more it would draw from the bulb and practically no bulb intensity changed and the 2 6,000uf caps with loads charge up ;D. The coil 1 10 ohm load cap goes to .80vdc and coil 2 5 ohm load goes to .47vdc

If someone wants to do the math my 12vdc SLA battery is at 12.33vdc

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2008, 04:18:42 AM »
Well, OK, here's another way to look at it. You are charging 2  6000 mFd caps to 3.15 volts. That's a total of about 0.06 Joules.
Your h-bridge input current is, say, 30 milliamps RMS at 50 volts. You leave the circuit on for one second, by which time the receiving caps are charged to their 3.15 volts.

So, input is 50 x 0.030 x 1 second, or 1.5 watt-seconds or Joules.

So, even assuming your meter's numbers are correct, you have plenty of energy there to do the job, even with losses.

Am I getting the input numbers right? You are charging for one second, right?

So maybe we don't actually expect any extra current to be visible on the meter.

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« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2008, 04:26:14 AM »
I decided to readjust the SG since I found that different voltages changed the resonance point of the coils and here are the new results.

With both, logic and switched side connected I can tune to get 1.72vdc on the 10 ohm load and 1.11vdc on the 5 ohm load from 12.29vdc but I'm not sure what to use as means to calculate the current draw ??? I attached my good quality amp meter to it measuring DCma and it is drawing 126ma feeding both (logic and switch) and 49ma just logic alone.

We should keep in mind that that Resonance likes voltage and I think the effect are better with a higher voltage input. This test is only to better understand the circuit.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2008, 04:31:02 AM »
@gotoluc
@groundloop
@TK

This is to address @gotoluc's concern but would be destined to all three. GOOD WORK GUYS!!!

It is not because we do not interject that we do not follow this progress. Actually, this is teaching me personally about circuits, cooperative progress and more. So please do not give up regardless of the final outcome. This is always a learning process and that is priceless. For me the circuit talk just is way above my head so I prefer to follow and learn. Most of the doers work on several projects at a time so please don't take it personally for not always acknowledging this or that. This is a collaborative process. You learn, I learn we all learn more from all the things we individually do and when it is time, we can use these experiences to help others in other ways. So good on y'all.



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« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2008, 04:32:31 AM »
Well, OK, here's another way to look at it. You are charging 2  6000 mFd caps to 3.15 volts. That's a total of about 0.06 Joules.
Your h-bridge input current is, say, 30 milliamps RMS at 50 volts. You leave the circuit on for one second, by which time the receiving caps are charged to their 3.15 volts.

So, input is 50 x 0.030 x 1 second, or 1.5 watt-seconds or Joules.

So, even assuming your meter's numbers are correct, you have plenty of energy there to do the job, even with losses.

Am I getting the input numbers right? You are charging for one second, right?

So maybe we don't actually expect any extra current to be visible on the meter.

Dear TinselKoala,

you are not correct and possibly not reading my posts. I will not reply any longer to questions I have already answered.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2008, 04:40:58 AM »
@gotoluc
@groundloop
@TK

This is to address @gotoluc's concern but would be destined to all three. GOOD WORK GUYS!!!

It is not because we do not interject that we do not follow this progress. Actually, this is teaching me personally about circuits, cooperative progress and more. So please do not give up regardless of the final outcome. This is always a learning process and that is priceless. For me the circuit talk just is way above my head so I prefer to follow and learn. Most of the doers work on several projects at a time so please don't take it personally for not always acknowledging this or that. This is a collaborative process. You learn, I learn we all learn more from all the things we individually do and when it is time, we can use these experiences to help others in other ways. So good on y'all.


Hi wattsup,

glad to see you have been watching the topic and took the time to post your comments.

I hope we can get a good developing group working together on this, since, as far as I can see now 8) it is looking real good ;D

Stay tuned and join us for the ride if you can, since we sure can use a guy like you ;)

Luc

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« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2008, 04:40:58 AM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2008, 05:46:25 AM »
Dear TinselKoala,

you are not correct and possibly not reading my posts. I will not reply any longer to questions I have already answered.

Luc


I don't know what's the matter with you. I am reading your posts and I am asking questions to try to understand what you are doing. If I have the numbers wrong, please correct me. I'm sure the calculation is correct for the numbers I used.

Meanwhile, while you are getting snippy, I have replicated your results in all important details, and I have videoed it, and will be posting it on YouTube shortly.

In brief, I used an 11.4 volt LiPo battery to power the logic and the bridge. I hooked up my flat Tesla Bifilar Coil primary in series with a 5 ohm, 50 watt resistor on the output of the h-bridge. I took a bifilar-wound Tesla aircore resonant secondary and placed it on top of the TBC, very loosely coupled. I hooked up a fast diode and a 100 uF 150 volt capacitor (the biggest I had handy) in series with the secondary. No connection to the primary. I hooked up the Simpson analog voltmeter to the capacitor.
Previously I used the oscilloscope and a low power input to find a resonance. This happened at around 700 kHz.
Now, when I triggered the system, the voltage on the receiving cap shot up from zero to just over 20 volts in under 3 seconds. Since I don't have a resistor the voltage stays on the cap long enough to be measured.
I did this many times. I can't reproduce your input arrangement tonight but I'll do that tomorrow and let you know what happens. Meanwhile, if you are interested, I should have the video posted in a few minutes.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2008, 06:09:39 AM »
Hell Luc
so now it is midnight and i watched your vid great as always  ;D.
I have suggestion:
We need to standardize the electronics .
aside of the flip flop we need a small inverter that you connect a transformer in reverse so you will have an output of 110 v ,the input should be around 8.0 volts with this inverter we should control the voltage input so if we need less than 110 volts  . i hope Grounlookp will provide us with the answer to this .
next after you find the resonance in your configuration we should disconnect the signal generator  and here it come another circuit a small signal generator with matching frequencies .
so we have 3 circuit that are powered from the same source the flip flop the inverter and the small signal generator and then we can measure the consumption and see if we have unity or over unity .

Thank you
Najman
 

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2008, 06:12:56 AM »
Dear TinselKoala,

please do share your tests and finding as this is the reason the topic was started for ;D

Looking forward to see 8) your video.

Luc

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« Reply #100 on: December 18, 2008, 06:26:00 AM »
The video of tonight's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tW2g4KinuA

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #101 on: December 18, 2008, 06:28:53 AM »
Hell Luc
so now it is midnight and i watched your vid great as always  ;D.
I have suggestion:
We need to standardize the electronics .
aside of the flip flop we need a small inverter that you connect a transformer in reverse so you will have an output of 110 v ,the input should be around 8.0 volts with this inverter we should control the voltage input so if we need less than 110 volts  . i hope Grounlookp will provide us with the answer to this .
next after you find the resonance in your configuration we should disconnect the signal generator  and here it come another circuit a small signal generator with matching frequencies .
so we have 3 circuit that are powered from the same source the flip flop the inverter and the small signal generator and then we can measure the consumption and see if we have unity or over unity .

Thank you
Najman
 

Hi Najman,

glad you liked the videos ;D

I will continue the development but it would be nice to have others replicating the effect also.

I just saw Groundloop's new diagram and he has done an excellent job as usual!... I just supplied him with all the parts details and he will integrate them in the diagram to which I will post as soon as that is done or when I wake up :P

Thanks for sharing your ideas!... we will get there quickly if we work together ;)

Luc

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« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2008, 06:53:41 AM »
The video of tonight's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tW2g4KinuA

Hi TinselKoala,

Great job!...thank you for taking the time to make and post your well done video ;) ... I like your Simpson meter ;D

Are your inductors tuned to resonate at the same frequency?

I'm glad you are enjoying the circuit and sharing your results with us.

Here are links to videos and information that user Armagdn03 has done to help share the benefits of coil resonance. This is what got me back into testing coils and resonance effects... but this time I'm seeing results.

watch this video first: YouTube - Energy Propagation

watch this video second: YouTube - Take two

And here is some more information you can read: Pg. 1

Enjoy and thanks for sharing.

Luc

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« Reply #103 on: December 18, 2008, 06:56:31 AM »
By the way, I just looked at the voltage trace on the oscilloscope, from the battery positive lead, while running the experiment. The trace is nearly flat at the battery voltage, with only a very small (say 2 or 3 percent) ripple just at the leading edge of the trigger pulse. I expected it to be much spikier but it's not. And if fed with a big cap like in gotoluc's configuration, I would expect it to be even less spiky and ripply. SO I think you could, in fact, get a valid DC ammeter reading from this position, in spite of Groundloop's comment. Regardless, I'll be actually trying the exact setup tomorrow, and I will meter from the location I suggested, with whatever equipment is necessary to get a valid reading.

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« Reply #104 on: December 18, 2008, 07:18:41 AM »
"Are the inductors tuned to the same frequency?"
We are tuning the primary oscillations to the secondary's resonant frequency, with the signal generator. In a traditional Tesla system with a spark gap, a capacitor, and a primary coil, the primary is tuned into resonance by lengthening or shortening the turns. This maximizes power transfer from the primary's step-up transformer supply, to the secondary. The secondary is also tuned by length and by its terminal capacitance, a toroid or sphere. In the h-bridge system we are tuning the primary by driving it at the secondary's resonant frequency directly, without the need for a cap and gap.
I think.
So, yes and no. I'm tuning the oscillations of the primary, in order to match the natural resonance of the secondary.
If you have an oscilloscope, you can see the natural primary frequency as the little ripples on the corners of the driving pulses, at high frequencies. My short TBC coil has quite a high natural frequency, I'm sure it's in the high tens of megahertz. The bifilar secondary that I'm using has a 1/4-wave resonant frequency of about 1.4 MHz when used on a conventional Tesla system.
If I was trying to use two secondaries like you are doing, I would match them just as you have done, by looking at inductance first, then by doing essentially what we are doing here: drive a short primary with the signal generator directly, look at the secondary's output with the scope or meter, sweep freqs till you see a peak in the secondary voltage. Add or remove turns as needed so that both coils peak at the same freq.

 

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