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### Author Topic: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 278155 times)

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #480 on: February 03, 2009, 04:29:44 AM »
Luc,

In the first circuit, with the 1 ohm resistor in series with the bulb, you can look at is as a simple voltage divider.

I = E/R = .045V/1 = 45 ma

Resistance of bulb being
R = E/I = 3/.045 = 66.7 ohms

In the second circuit you removed the bulb from the circuit and inserted the primary winding. The impedance of the primary winding must be greater than the resistance of the bulb since the current went down.

I = E/R = .0219/1 = 21.9ma

I am somewhat surprised that there is 3 volts across the bulb in the secondary. I question whether the bulb still has a 66 ohm resistance - don't know but it is interesting.

1. Voltage out of the function generator
2. Inductance of primary and secondary.
3. Resistance of primary and secondary windings.

Maybe that will give us a few more answers....

As far as trying to close the loop you might look at the circuit that poynt99 uploaded yesterday. It runs on about 50mW.

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators v1.0.pdf
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item221

It appears to me that your testing the MRA concept without using the barium ferrite magnet and the piezoelectric transducer.

-Duff

Hi Duff,

thank you for being the first and only one to answer and attempt to do the math

It took some time to re-setup everything to measure the voltage output from the Signal Generator but I got everything back as it was and it is 7.19 volts RMS and 18.28 volts PP. I also posted the scope shots of that test with Data below. In green is the probe across the bulb and in yellow is the probe on the SG output.

The Primary resistance is 2.5 Ohms and Inductance is .72mH. The Secondary resistance is .1 Ohm and Inductance is about .001mH

Thanks for posting Pony's circuit. I'll look it over.

Thanks again for your willingness to help to understand this effect.

Luc

#### dankie

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« Reply #481 on: February 03, 2009, 05:02:11 AM »
Yeah Luc I think your skills are wasted on this resonance effect series of threads you made . Its been dragging on for a long time now , its time to be more serious and do something with the resonance now , you have to combine it with something .

#### duff

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #482 on: February 03, 2009, 06:09:32 AM »
Luc,

I disagree with dankie...

I spent a fair amount of time in trying to achieve your results and could not. My results were as one would expect with normal transformer action. I used the parts I had on hand except for the rectifier and I ordered the one you were using in the earlier experiments (SBI 3040PT) but was still unable to support a load like you have shown in the videos.

I assume you are driving the circuit with a signal generator (not groundloops circuit) being that you did not mention it. Is that correct?

If you are using groundloops circuit could you please try it with the signal generator only and let us know the results.

The best way to tell if you have OU is to close the loop (you already know that). If you can get the same results with only a signal generator I'd try Pony's circuit.

By all means keep experimenting until you can resolve this question.

Also, please give me the diameter, height, wire gauge & spacing between your coils + anything else you can think of that might be unique, I'm going to try to replicate your results again....

Good Work!

-Duff

#### wattsup

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« Reply #483 on: February 03, 2009, 06:20:08 AM »
@dankie

Not very coooooool. Easy to talk.

@gotoluc

Good vid. I don't know about the measuring side. I noticed that both scope probe grounds were connected to the circuit. I usually never use the ground so I am wondering about that aspect, when to use it and when not to use it when doing scope measurements.

But it looks like there is more coming out.

I am curious if you tried the same set-up but see if the center coil can go in sideways into the outer coil and see the difference. This will cut the outer coils in a different manner that may be better. Also trying with an iron core just placed inside the center coil. It is good to have a base that you can then compare other coils and configurations onto a known method, to see what gives better results. I would hope that's where most of the guys spend their time - lol. Just trying the hell out of every method.

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #484 on: February 03, 2009, 06:14:16 PM »
Luc,

I disagree with dankie...

I spent a fair amount of time in trying to achieve your results and could not. My results were as one would expect with normal transformer action. I used the parts I had on hand except for the rectifier and I ordered the one you were using in the earlier experiments (SBI 3040PT) but was still unable to support a load like you have shown in the videos.

I assume you are driving the circuit with a signal generator (not groundloops circuit) being that you did not mention it. Is that correct?

If you are using groundloops circuit could you please try it with the signal generator only and let us know the results.

The best way to tell if you have OU is to close the loop (you already know that). If you can get the same results with only a signal generator I'd try Pony's circuit.

By all means keep experimenting until you can resolve this question.

Also, please give me the diameter, height, wire gauge & spacing between your coils + anything else you can think of that might be unique, I'm going to try to replicate your results again....

Good Work!

-Duff

Hi Duff,

Yes, I used only the output of the signal generator for the video 13 test.

I will measure everything to the best of my ability and supply it in some time. It maybe late tonight as I have to complete something today.

Luc

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #485 on: February 03, 2009, 06:22:39 PM »
@dankie

Not very coooooool. Easy to talk.

@gotoluc

Good vid. I don't know about the measuring side. I noticed that both scope probe grounds were connected to the circuit. I usually never use the ground so I am wondering about that aspect, when to use it and when not to use it when doing scope measurements.

But it looks like there is more coming out.

I am curious if you tried the same set-up but see if the center coil can go in sideways into the outer coil and see the difference. This will cut the outer coils in a different manner that may be better. Also trying with an iron core just placed inside the center coil. It is good to have a base that you can then compare other coils and configurations onto a known method, to see what gives better results. I would hope that's where most of the guys spend their time - lol. Just trying the hell out of every method.

Hi wattsup,

thanks for posting and your interest.

I have tried many (over 30) coil positions, configurations and cores. To date this is my best performing combination. I have not found a core of any kind of material to help the output to date.

I will give full details so anyone could replicate the setup using just a SG.

Luc

#### dankie

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« Reply #486 on: February 03, 2009, 07:59:47 PM »
Lol is Gotuluc expecting overunity from resonance I though this was just physical resonance experiments for people to see when they are starting out ... This thread has lasted for months Gotoluc , why cant it just die in peace ??

Gotoluc , Where did you ever get that crazy idea that resonance = overunity of effective power ? You have only voltage and no effective power , what are you thinking here ? You have to find something to destabilize , you have to use that non-effective , very efficient power to create an unstable condition and gain power from that ...

Resonance is an effect they talk about in elementary electronics books , never has it been overunity , its something any circuit simulator can replicate , theres nothing there ...

#### wattsup

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« Reply #487 on: February 03, 2009, 09:47:13 PM »
@dankie

If you have to ask such a question or make such a remark, then there is no point for you here. Trying to ridicule @gotoluc will get you nowhere and I am sure he is tooooooooo kind to reply. So there is only two words that I can muster up in my great and unlimited vocabulary - "Bud off".

#### powercat

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« Reply #488 on: February 03, 2009, 11:41:58 PM »
@dankie

STOP BEING disparaging       again

hisssssss

cat

#### dankie

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« Reply #489 on: February 04, 2009, 02:14:43 AM »
I was just responding to Gotuluc asking for our opinions , that is my opinion .

I like Gotoluc , he is Canadian ...

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #490 on: February 04, 2009, 02:25:35 AM »
Lol is Gotuluc expecting overunity from resonance I though this was just physical resonance experiments for people to see when they are starting out ... This thread has lasted for months Gotoluc , why cant it just die in peace ??

Gotoluc , Where did you ever get that crazy idea that resonance = overunity of effective power ? You have only voltage and no effective power , what are you thinking here ? You have to find something to destabilize , you have to use that non-effective , very efficient power to create an unstable condition and gain power from that ...

Resonance is an effect they talk about in elementary electronics books , never has it been overunity , its something any circuit simulator can replicate , theres nothing there ...

Hi dankie,

I am very opened to seeing what you are working on and would be happy to see a video demo, pictures or anything you may have of your working device.

Looking forward in seeing this information.

Luc

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #491 on: February 04, 2009, 02:35:13 AM »
At Duff and anyone interested.

The enamel coated copper magnet wire for the Primary is 22 AWG or 0.64516mm and is about 97 turns on the 3-3/16" or 81mm tube and measures 2.5 Ohms DC resistance with an Inductance of 0.73mH

The cardboard tube I used to wind the Primary on is made by Avery for Graphics which should be available at office supply stores. The internal diameter size of the tube is 3" or 76mm and outside dia. is 3-3/16" or 81mm. I cut a section of the tube to 2-3/8" or 60mm high and used a fine drill bit and made a hole for the magnet wire to go though it at about 1/8" or 3mm of the edge and started winding the wire clock wise from the left of the tube at drilled hole and stopped when I was about 1/8" or 3mm of the right side edge. I made a hole once again for the wire to go though and used clear 1/2" tape to hold the wire inside the tube. I also did that to the start end wire to hold it inside the tube. I then used the same tape and added 2 turns to each outside ends over the wire and remainder 1/8" of tube to secure the coil on the tube. Now you can remove the tape from the inside wire leads and soulder the ends for a good contact.

The Secondary is Double stranded 18 AWG clear plastic wire (used often for speakers). I wound it on a plastic Deli clear container (model RD 32) which is somewhat cone shape. Bottom of container is 3-1/4" or 83mm dia. and top is 4-1/4" or 116mm dia. and hight is 5-3/4" or 470mm. I taped about 1-1/2" of the wire to hold it in place on the 4-1/4" or 116mm dia. wide end of the container and started winding counter clockwise to get 9 full turns and keeping the wire double (as is) and tight together for each turn. I then taped the end to hold it in place and used the same 1/2" tape and cover the wires so they hold together. I then removed the tape that held each end and slide off the coil from the container but you could leave it on the container also if you don't need to reused it again. I striped each double ends of the wire and twisted them together to solder them. Then solder it to the SBL3040PT diode and to the positive of the 1000uf 25vdc capacitor and soulder the other end directly to the negative of the cap.

If you follow the above steps you would need a 130pf to 150pf capacitor in series on one side of the primary and the other side is connected strait to the Signal Generator which is set to square waves and tune to get peek output around the 500Khz range. The bulb I use are for car dash instruments and is model 74 or BP2.

I hope this information is complete enough for you to replicate what I have to date.

Please do post your results or any questions needed to be answered so we can have at least one replication.

Luc

#### dankie

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« Reply #492 on: February 04, 2009, 02:37:18 AM »
Hi dankie,

I am very opened to seeing what you are working on and would be happy to see a video demo, pictures or anything you may have of your working device.

Looking forward in seeing this information.

Luc

Sure Gotuluc , plz repond to my pm bro

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #493 on: February 04, 2009, 02:56:45 AM »
Sure Gotuluc , plz repond to my pm bro

Okay dankie,

Yeah I believe you should move on to something better than resonance. go to ionizationx.com , this is where all good ppl gather

I did go to the link you posted and the main page says at upper right "last post" was November 14, 2008

I don't think this is a very active Forum so I think I'll stay here for now. However as I said I am very opened to seeing what you have and if I find it to be better than what I'm working on at this time I will re-evaluate my decision.

Luc

#### duff

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« Reply #494 on: February 04, 2009, 03:20:14 AM »
Luc,

I'm not ready to say there is nothing going on with your circuit yet. There is something unusual about the voltage you are able to obtain across your loads.

Today I went to Home Depot and bought some #18 speaker wire (I had been using litz wire) and reran the test, but the results  were the same as with the litz.  Again, I am unable to get as much voltage across the load as you.

I will review the info you posted above and see what changes I need to make.

Do one thing for me. Connect the scope probe to your signal generator  and bend you ground lead in several places (gently) and see if the signal changes as a result. I'm wondering if perhaps the ground is intermittent. That would cause higher voltage readings...

Below are the results of the test I did today.