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### Author Topic: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 296457 times)

#### Groundloop

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #150 on: December 21, 2008, 06:48:12 PM »
@wattsup,

I will help you out with a circuit for your swing generator.

The output is reversing polarity. You explained it right.
The input DC voltage will be on the output connector
with a alternating polarity at each pulse to the switch.
(Or half the frequency in the first version.)

The voltage rating depends on the transistors used. For the first circuit the IR2103
can take 600 volt at maximum. So if the transistors can take the same then this is the maximum.
The current can be high at low voltages but not at high voltages.
The transistors used will set the maximums. The data sheets for the types used
will explain how much current you can draw at a selected voltage level.

For the newest switch with optocouplers then the maximum voltage the switch can handle is 300 volt.
This because the H11D1 can take maximum 300 volts. The current can be high at low voltages but not at high voltages.
The transistors used will set the maximums. The data sheets for the types used will explain how much current you
can draw at a selected voltage level.

I will never recommend using the maximum voltages. The newest switch will be happy at up to 250 volt.
Above that, there is no way to tell when things blow up.
At maximum voltage the transistor used in this circuit can handle 0,1 ampere.
At 12 volt the transistors can handle several amperes. It all depend on what type
transistors you select to use.

The switch will produce an alternating DC output. The output is not a sinus wave
but square pulses. The pulses is even looking at low frequencies but "nasty"
looking at near the maximum frequency. The estimated maximum frequency is set
by the switch time for the optocouplers, in this case approx. 250 KHz.

The function generator looks OK to me.

Attached is the HW design files for both boards. I have included the gerber files but
the drill files are in millimeters. You can download the free Cadsoft Eagle CAD and
redo the drill files for inches if you like.

Groundloop.

#### forest

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #151 on: December 21, 2008, 07:56:25 PM »
I'm not electronic engineer so please bear with me.I think we need more then 300V.Maybe 600V is even too low.Personally I would like to test an LC oscillator with 1000V and really microamps.The problem is with switches, there should be kind of intelligent spark gap (=transistor) to handle it.In other words : something which charge capacitor and then when fully charged cut power source and allow for freely oscillate the LC circuit.
There is one more problem I think. To cut all lower frequencies charge to capacitor must be flowing when capacitor is disconnected from coil or when capacitors are in special configuration. That's how I think about it but I may be wrong. I just use the water pump analogy - if capacitor is a water storage device then the size of it and the speed of water flow determine if water is slowly filling container or a part of water is flowing above container inlet due to speed.

Boguslaw

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #152 on: December 21, 2008, 08:14:24 PM »
Hi everyone,

I was away since last evening and just now cough up with the new posts.

WOW Grounddloop!!! ... thank you ever so much for taking so much of your time to reply and explain with such excellent details

You even went past the technical stuff and spoke from your heart ... you are a great soul and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I have truly been blessed to have all your help, since without your circuit I only had mechanical relays and could not confirm an effect like the one we have now.

Thank you also for continuing to develop the circuit to the next level.

I've been blessed with a financial donation to which was just enough to ordered the supplies needed to build a multiple coils and batteries self charging setup as you proposed.

I am truly thankful and humbled by all this great help

Luc
« Last Edit: December 26, 2008, 07:23:54 PM by gotoluc »

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2008, 08:36:58 PM »
I'm not electronic engineer so please bear with me.I think we need more then 300V.Maybe 600V is even too low.Personally I would like to test an LC oscillator with 1000V and really microamps.The problem is with switches, there should be kind of intelligent spark gap (=transistor) to handle it.In other words : something which charge capacitor and then when fully charged cut power source and allow for freely oscillate the LC circuit.
There is one more problem I think. To cut all lower frequencies charge to capacitor must be flowing when capacitor is disconnected from coil or when capacitors are in special configuration. That's how I think about it but I may be wrong. I just use the water pump analogy - if capacitor is a water storage device then the size of it and the speed of water flow determine if water is slowly filling container or a part of water is flowing above container inlet due to speed.

Boguslaw

Hi forest, thanks for your post ... you are understanding well    The usable power output (Watts) gets higher as the polarity switched voltage goes higher ... and at a fraction (if any) to amp consumption.

It can also work the other way I demonstrated by using a fixed voltage output and adding more coils and pickups.

I do agree that the way to go is more voltage and I am sure as we share test results and develop the switch we will get there but to do this we need builders and developers.

Luc

#### Groundloop

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #154 on: December 21, 2008, 09:07:34 PM »
Hi Luc,

I got a PM from "najman100" and I have proposed a deal with him. If everything works out
then there will be PCBs for both the new circuit drawings. Since I'm in the xmas mode
right now, there will be a fully soldered and tested PCB for the micro controller version
for you next year, for free. I will have the new PCBs and parts by January 16 next year.
If "najman100" agree to my proposal then there will be a PCB for you for the non micro
version also. :-) I have ordered enough boards so "Wattsup" and "TinselKoala" can have
a PCB for free also (the micro controller version).

Groundloop.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #155 on: December 21, 2008, 09:09:25 PM »
Hi Luc and Groundloop.
My comments were not at all meant negative.

I only wanted to point out, where some possible
measurement errors could be made.

Yes, I saw your proposal for the selfloop unit and it is a nice design.

Please keep working on it.

I think this has a great chance to go overunity.

Many thanks.

P.S. Luc, if you still try your first design with the coil and
the Avramenko plug together with the earth connection charging up your
2 uF cap:  You could try to connect a 4 Watts fluorescent tube across the
cap and maybe reduce the cap to a 100 nF ( at least 1000 Volts rating)
thus you will get more flashes per second from the fl. tube cause the cap  will
charge up faster and then the cap will be discharged, when fl. tube
ignites.
This way you could also use the output power of the cap
to light up the fl. tube.

Regards, Stefan.

#### Groundloop

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« Reply #156 on: December 21, 2008, 09:54:07 PM »
Stefan,

I have ordered the PCBs and will build the circuits. Will also start testing on Luc's coil
types soon. I was a little "grumpy" yesterday so just ignore my words.

Regards,
Groundloop.

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #157 on: December 21, 2008, 09:54:39 PM »
Hi Luc,

I got a PM from "najman100" and I have proposed a deal with him. If everything works out
then there will be PCBs for both the new circuit drawings. Since I'm in the xmas mode
right now, there will be a fully soldered and tested PCB for the micro controller version
for you next year, for free. I will have the new PCBs and parts by January 16 next year.
If "najman100" agree to my proposal then there will be a PCB for you for the non micro
version also. :-) I have ordered enough boards so "Wattsup" and "TinselKoala" can have
a PCB for free also (the micro controller version).

Groundloop.

WOW!!!.... great news once again Groundloop ... thank you.

More good news also!... our friend Fausto has contacted me to say he has ordered parts and will also be replicating

This is a great day.

Luc

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #158 on: December 21, 2008, 10:07:07 PM »

P.S. Luc, if you still try your first design with the coil and
the Avramenko plug together with the earth connection charging up your
2 uF cap:  You could try to connect a 4 Watts fluorescent tube across the
cap and maybe reduce the cap to a 100 nF ( at least 1000 Volts rating)
thus you will get more flashes per second from the fl. tube cause the cap  will
charge up faster and then the cap will be discharged, when fl. tube
ignites.
This way you could also use the output power of the cap
to light up the fl. tube.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

I was going to retry this at one point! ...I'll let you know how it works out

Thanks for bringing my attention to it once again.

Luc

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #159 on: December 21, 2008, 10:39:35 PM »
@everyone,

here are 2 great videos done and posted by user: Cody at the RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE topic I started at Energetic Forum.

Here is a variable capacitor that I've purchased to facilitate my future testing and tuning: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=130276804974
I wish I would of had one of these when I first started!... it would of made life much easier

And here is an inductance and capacitance meter which will also make life easier: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390005413895&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=220330813763&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DCR%252BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D42

Luc

#### TinselKoala

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« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2008, 12:55:11 AM »
Those videos from Cody are awesome! Very well spoken and good organization. Takes me back...
I am pleased to see that the quality of our "free energy" videos is improving. Gotoluc's setup is looking really good--I like the tight wire bundles!

Meanwhile I've been playing around some too. I'm exploring where my own interests lead, for now, and using these coils that I've made for different projects. I am surprised at how well they work in this application.

About the circuit boards for Groundloop's newer designs--count me in, for sure, and thanks. I'd be glad to pay my fair share of whatever it costs, of course.

(Please note: At about 4:01 in the following video, I mistakenly say "series" when I should have said "parallel". The coil, cap, and led are all in parallel.)

#### ramset

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« Reply #161 on: December 23, 2008, 01:35:22 AM »
WOW !!
You boys are going to need a camera crew
Some real Top shelf Guys
Doing Amazing work
THANK  YOU
Chet

#### gotoluc

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« Reply #162 on: December 23, 2008, 02:20:14 AM »
Hi TinselKoala,

looks good ... you sure have allot of coils to play with ... I don't know if I'll ever be able to catch up to you

Thanks for making the video and sharing your findings.

Luc

#### Groundloop

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« Reply #163 on: December 23, 2008, 05:16:58 AM »
@TinselKoala,

Great video. :-)  Thanks for taking time to test out this circuit. Have you tried to use the output
form the secondary coil to charge up a lead acid battery? It is also good to see that the secondary
coil can be trimmed to the correct resonant frequency. Your led test clearly shows that this could
be done. Great work.

You will also get your PCB (and  a ready programmed PIC16F84A controller) for free. But as I said to Luc,
the PCBs wil not arrive until around the 16 of January next year. I will also need a little time to develop
the firm ware needed to run the controller. I will also build the non controller version. I have been talking
with "najman100" and he will make the PCBs for the non controller version. He has a little trouble with
the Eagle design files but I think we can solve that later. I don't know how many PCBs najman100 will
make, but I hope he will make more than 3 so that we can have one each. Najman100, any thoughts
on this?

@ramset,

Since you commented on this work in a positive way and since I'm still in my xmas mode, then there
will be a free PCB (of the pic controller version) for you also. :-) If you can't program a PIC micro, then
just let me know and I will give you one ready programmed. :-)

@Wattsup,

I haven't heard from Wattsup, but if you read this and want a free PCB (of the pic controller version),
then let me know. (My xmas spirit will run out around the 1st of January 2009. LOL)

@gotoluc,

I will make a couple of coils for the project. I will try to make the coils as shown in my test drawing.
I have collected some cardboard tubes to make air core coils on. I estimate that I can fit up to 8
coils on each cardboard. Each coil will be wound with a 150 turns primary and a 76 turns secondary
loosely coupled next to (or at the top of) the primary coil. I guess that each coil can be tuned with a
variable capacitor (2 to 22pF) to get a resonant frequency of around 150 KHz. You can have one of the
coils.

Groundloop.

#### najman100

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##### Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #164 on: December 23, 2008, 05:49:26 AM »
@TinselKoala,

Great video. :-)  Thanks for taking time to test out this circuit. Have you tried to use the output
form the secondary coil to charge up a lead acid battery? It is also good to see that the secondary
coil can be trimmed to the correct resonant frequency. Your led test clearly shows that this could
be done. Great work.

You will also get your PCB (and  a ready programmed PIC16F84A controller) for free. But as I said to Luc,
the PCBs wil not arrive until around the 16 of January next year. I will also need a little time to develop
the firm ware needed to run the controller. I will also build the non controller version. I have been talking
with "najman100" and he will make the PCBs for the non controller version. He has a little trouble with
the Eagle design files but I think we can solve that later. I don't know how many PCBs najman100 will
make, but I hope he will make more than 3 so that we can have one each. Najman100, any thoughts
on this?

@ramset,

Since you commented on this work in a positive way and since I'm still in my xmas mode, then there
will be a free PCB (of the pic controller version) for you also. :-) If you can't program a PIC micro, then
just let me know and I will give you one ready programmed. :-)

@Wattsup,

I haven't heard from Wattsup, but if you read this and want a free PCB (of the pic controller version),
then let me know. (My xmas spirit will run out around the 1st of January 2009. LOL)

@gotoluc,

I will make a couple of coils for the project. I will try to make the coils as shown in my test drawing.
I have collected some cardboard tubes to make air core coils on. I estimate that I can fit up to 8
coils on each cardboard. Each coil will be wound with a 150 turns primary and a 76 turns secondary
loosely coupled next to (or at the top of) the primary coil. I guess that each coil can be tuned with a
variable capacitor (2 to 22pF) to get a resonant frequency of around 150 KHz. You can have one of the
coils.

Groundloop.

let me open the file and after i will go up to 6 .

Najman