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Offline najman100

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2008, 07:07:14 PM »
Hello Luc
So coil some new coil and do the experiment on your existing idea of 9 v if you see charging or voltage rise in the battery as mentioned by Grounloop then you have something .

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2008, 07:07:14 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: December 19, 2008, 07:43:03 PM »
@gotoluc,

I think that my test idea will conclusive show a over unity or not. You have only one measurement
to take and that is the voltage over  the battery. If the voltage climbs (over time) then there is o/u.
Simple as that. I also think that that it will be easy to loop back the coils because you have already
demonstrated that the secondary power out coils can take a low restive load. So by proper design
I mean that the coils must be designed for exactly that. If you want to make many coils that are
like each other then just use a cardboard tube cut to equal length. Then you wind the same number
of turns on each  cardboard tube segment. Glue the wire with super glue. That way you get several
coils that are the same. Over the secondary of each coil you connect a variable capacitor in parallel.
The variable capacitor will allow you to tune each coil (LC) pair to the same resonance. In my
drawing I only used two coils. But you will probably need many more than that. You just series two
and two coils to get the needed voltage (must be higher than the battery voltage) and then parallel
enough coils to get the needed current. (Must be higher than the total loss in the circuit.) My estimate
is that you will need approx. 8 coils on the output.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 08:54:22 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2008, 08:13:11 PM »
This seems similar to a resonator circuit I designed and analyzed some time ago. It was designed to operate off normal house current at 120V, 60Hz.
http://urad.net/forums/Resonator_files/Resonator_frames.htm

With the Help of Richard Ozenbaugh Sr. (aka Oz) we were able to validate it mathematically:

http://urad.net/forums/Resonator%20With%20Ozenbaugh%20Formulas.htm

In a simulator this appears as an infinite Q runaway tank because of the lack of resistance in the calculations and produces a 500kV cyclic output. However, when calculating the lead resistances and inherent resistance of the components a more realistic output of 4kV is possible.

Please note that the schematic does not show the 60Hz frequency or a Line Fuse. A fuse will add more resistance and lower the resonant action but without it, the input current can escalate into hundreds of amps quickly when the circuit is well tuned. EXERCISE CAUTION as things can get very hot very fast. It is best to use a current limiting power source when experimenting with this circuit.


Cheers,

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2008, 08:13:11 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2008, 08:27:32 PM »
Yep, what Harvey said.

I would just like to remind all that Power is not the appropriate measure for this kind of possible overunity device. Energy is the "conserved" quantity, not power. For example, my CO2 pulsed laser system draws 750 watts of power from the mains, and when it discharges the cap pulse can reach several tens of kilowatts. Overunity? Of course not. Because I haven't taken the TIME, that is the duty cycle, into consideration.

I would also like to remind all that my replication isn't really a replication--yet-- because I don't have the tuned coil pairs that gotoluc is using. Nevertheless, so far, it supports the general contention that this kind of magnifying power system can power lots of loads, without apparent additional drain on the input.

I've worked on this kind of system for many years. I have a small, more traditional Tesla power system that I built, that will light up as many compact fluorescent tubes that you can pack near it, while still drawing much less than 35 watts of power from the mains. (EDIT to add that this coil pair is carefully tuned. The frequency is about 1.25 MHz.)

Presumably if the energy could be captured and fed back to the power supply like Groundloop suggests--well, then....

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2008, 08:45:34 PM »
  @Tinsel

    You got something they don't got.   Your capacitor looks quite different than a two terminal electrolytic.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2008, 08:45:34 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #125 on: December 19, 2008, 09:05:27 PM »
@TinselKoala,

You have built a very nice Tesla coil. :-)

I agree to your comments but must point out that Luc did load the output coil with resistors ALL THE TIME.
So he is not just measuring a one "pulse energy scheme". If it is correct as you say that we can load with
as many coils we want from one resonating system (and it certainly looks that we could) then perhaps
over unity is within reach.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2008, 09:12:17 PM »
Sparks brings up a good point--in the Tesla system the capacity is actually the space surrounding the coil, and it might be possible for energy to enter the system from this avenue.

Groundloop--I understand that, but I also see the RCL circuit on gotoluc's resonant tuned secondaries as having a time constant, and until I can replicate that part exactly, I won't know for sure that the power on those elements is constant over time. In my NON_TUNED partial replication, the addition of any small resistance across my receiving cap prevents it from charging at all, as I have discovered this morning.


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« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2008, 09:12:17 PM »
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« Reply #127 on: December 19, 2008, 09:34:11 PM »
@TinselKoala,

OK, I understand. If you load the output coil with a too low resistive load then you off tune the LC part so much that
you end outside the input frequency. I think these circuits must be treated as radio frequency circuits. That is way I
added a variable capacitor at each secondary coil. This capacitor will enable the researcher to individually tune
each LC part of the circuit. The coils must also be designed with a high impedance primary and a low impedance
secondary to best match the load. It will be like a Tesla coil in reverse. :-)

[EDIT] Attached is a image of my high voltage step down air core transformer. (Tesla coil in reverse). The big coil
          is approx. 2000 turns and the output coil is 2 x 2 turns with center tapping.

Groundloop.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #128 on: December 19, 2008, 09:40:20 PM »
     The top load is just one plate of the capacitor.  The other plate is Earth.
This makes a tank circuit but the capacitance is inputting voltage differential between the top load and Earth every cycle.  You really don't want this thing going radiant so if it is setup for low frequency the gain should not be blown away into transverse waves.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2008, 04:29:17 AM »
Hi everyone,

Good news ;D

Test 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TcKmArOXsw

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2008, 06:05:01 AM »
5stars LUC now you have to go bigger  ;D

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« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2008, 06:05:01 AM »
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« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2008, 06:22:36 AM »
5stars LUC now you have to go bigger  ;D

Najman

Yes, that is the first thing on the to do list ;D

You know,... just raising the voltage will do wonders ;)

Need to do a little fund raising tough ;)... however I have faith that God will provide what is needed for His mission :)

Luc

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« Reply #132 on: December 20, 2008, 01:10:52 PM »
@Luc: Great work! Congratulations!

But I have to ask: why aren't you monitoring the Current Draw from your 9-volt battery stack?

Could you please repeat the demo with an amp meter in series with the battery pack and the h-bridge?

In my own tests the voltage may not be dropping (much) but the current draw does go up.

thanks...
--TK.

(you shouldn't get excited about those fluctuations in the smallest digit of the DMMs. It just means the true voltage is somewhere near halfway between the two digits of the fluctuation. )

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« Reply #133 on: December 20, 2008, 03:28:27 PM »
Dear Luc,

How long will it take you to build the crystal oscillator?

Cheers
Thane

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #134 on: December 20, 2008, 06:41:19 PM »
@Luc: Great work! Congratulations!

But I have to ask: why aren't you monitoring the Current Draw from your 9-volt battery stack?

Could you please repeat the demo with an amp meter in series with the battery pack and the h-bridge?

In my own tests the voltage may not be dropping (much) but the current draw does go up.

thanks...
--TK.

(you shouldn't get excited about those fluctuations in the smallest digit of the DMMs. It just means the true voltage is somewhere near halfway between the two digits of the fluctuation. )

Hi TinselKoala,

thanks for the positive comment ;D... after doing the video test 9 I did hook up a DC ma meter (just for fun) to see what the ma drain was and it was 24ma with no loaded coils and 21ma with the loaded coils.

As I have said before and Groundloop also agrees!... I do not think a digital or even worse an analogue meter can give an accurate reading when the DC is switched on and off over 350,000 times a second ??? but if you think it is fine then the numbers above are the readings.

As you also know, (being first to replicate Groundloops circuit) the switch side of the circuit consumes about that many ma with no load attached from a 45vdc input voltage. Have you also noticed that if you raise the input voltage, still with no load, it keeps going up in draw of amps. When mine gets to the 100vdc range the IR2103's are too hot to keep my finger on them ;D. Even at 60vdc mine get to 130 degrease Fahrenheit. However I have not yet changed the resistors and added the capacitors that Groundloop has recommended in order to help with the heat issue. Hopefully these changes will help with the energy waste?

I'll report the changes once this has been done.

Luc

 

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