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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #105 on: December 18, 2008, 07:57:50 AM »
Hi everyone,

here is Groundloop's detailed diagram of my test setup with parts list and all.

Please understand that the mag wire, capacitors, diodes and resistors I used were all things I had on hand or salvaged from other things, so this is why (for example) the coils have two different wire gauges, the resistors are different and so one. I like to recycle as much as I can. I also have no job and no income, so I have to be creative :P

On this note!... I have to thank my friend Lucie who has a job and has let me stay at her home with supplied meal free of charge. Without her support I don't think I would be able to do as much as I have been doing.

Thank you once again Groundloop for your sleepless services to help all.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2008, 08:11:34 AM »
@najman100,

It is almost impossible to design an inverter that does not have any losses.
At best you get 80 - 90 % of the energy you put into the inverter back as
a usable output. The over unity in the circuit must be higher than  2 x the total
input usage to be able to loop back the output to the input. It is probably
simpler to design the coils to give you the voltage you need by designing
the secondary coils with enough turns, but when we starts to talk about
several Watts output then your idea will be a nice way to loop back energy.

@gotoluc,

I did the math on your 12VDC test.

Circuit input usage without any load = 0,60221 Watt.
Circuit input usage with coils connected = 1,54854 Watt.
Output on coil 1 with 10 ohm load resistor = 0,29584 Watt
Output on coil 2 with 5 ohm load resistor = 0,24642 Watt
Output total = 0,54226 Watt.

Circuit input usage - circuit switching loss = 1,54854 Watt - 0,60221 Watt = 0,94633 Watt.
So at 12VDC input voltage the circuit COP = 0,573. So at this low voltage the circuit runs at a little
over 50% efficiency. So I agree with you, high voltage switching in resonance is a must.

@TinselKoala,

Great video. You confirmed that the input usage did not go up when connecting the coil as a load.
Keep up the good work.

Groundloop.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2008, 08:45:18 AM »
Hello all,

maybe a core?

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« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2008, 08:45:18 AM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #108 on: December 18, 2008, 01:43:03 PM »
@groundloop

Great diagram as usual. Geez you guys are top level.

As with many threads that change situations as time progresses, can I just ask two questions as a re-cap.

1) Is the output of the circuit at f0/2 still dc reverse polarity pulsing. If yes, can anyone explain what this means relative to the input frequency from the frequency generator?

2) Regarding the output coming from the FG, does it require a minimum AC voltage capability?

OK last one.

3) If the circuit starts with the isolation transformer (IT), should the amps and voltage meters not be put on the input to the IT and not after the Variac, since the IT and the variac will also generate losses that should be part of the total equation including losses from the bridge rectifier?

OK last last one.

4) Based on question 3, is it not better to just use a battery as the input power (like @TK is doing). Then if you put a bridge on one of the two end outputs, you can maybe send it back to the battery and just see if there is any voltage drop on the battery.

Sorry for what may seem to be re-hash.

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2008, 02:45:48 PM »
@wattsup,

1. f0 /2 means if the input frequency is f0 = 100 Hz then the output frequency is f0 / 2 = 50Hz.
The circuit triggers at each positive edge on the input pulse. So at the first positive edge the output
will will be positive on one end and negative (or ground) at the other. At the next positive edge input pulse
the output will be opposite. This will happen in sync with the input pulse. See attached drawing.

2. It is hard to understand what you are thinking on here but the switch makes pulsed DC on the output.
The switch takes the input DC voltage and connects to the output connector in an alternating way at
each input positive edge pulse. The minimum DC volt the switch can handle is 0 Volt. The maximum
voltage is set by the HEXFETs used and the IR2103. The IR2103 can handle up to 600 volt. So if you use
hexfet transistors that can take 600 volt then the absolute maximum input voltage the switch can take is 600 volt.
I will never recommend using that high voltage.

3 and 4. No not really. We want to measure how much power the coils is using. So in a ideal situation the measurement should be taken right at the switch output. If you use a 50 volt battery as input then there is no losses in transformers etc. Since we know how much the switch itself uses (as heat) then we can easily calculate how much power the coil is getting from the switch. The resistors (1%) has a known value so it is easy to calculate how much power we get out of the coils into the load. So sometime in the future we can use 4 x 12 volt batteries as a input to get 48 volt DC. Then the output coil(s) will be designed to give out more than 48 volt. Then you can loop back the output to the input at minimal losses. But the challenge will be designing coils that can deliver more output without loading the input source. The challenge with many coils is to get ALL of them to resonate at the same frequency.

I hope this answered some of your questions.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2008, 02:45:48 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2008, 04:32:02 PM »
      Resonance you are demonstrating is analogous to an echo.  It is of course the most bang for the buck.  Every time the voltage is reflected (pressure wave)  it does work (ear drum vibration).  The voltage wave from the line or battery is caused to be captured and reflected in these systems.  If one were to place a wattmeter on the input to this circuit this would be demonstrated.  If the wave travels on another wave then the circuit runs with true gain.  The systems do clearly show that currentless transfer of voltage is the way to go.  Desaturating a transformer core in phase with the voltage wave is a convenient way for power companies to get by using an active voltage regulator.  The transformer primary under no load conditions impedance is matched to the input voltage wave.  When the secondary induced voltage results in a current that changes the impedance of the transformer core in phase with the primary voltage the line current increases.  This is a gross waste of energy.  By addition of capacitors that use the secondary as an inductor in a resonant circuit you can slow that meter down considerably. ::)

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2008, 04:38:29 PM »
@najman100,

It is almost impossible to design an inverter that does not have any losses.
At best you get 80 - 90 % of the energy you put into the inverter back as
a usable output. The over unity in the circuit must be higher than  2 x the total
input usage to be able to loop back the output to the input. It is probably
simpler to design the coils to give you the voltage you need by designing
the secondary coils with enough turns, but when we starts to talk about
several Watts output then your idea will be a nice way to loop back energy.

@gotoluc,

I did the math on your 12VDC test.

Circuit input usage without any load = 0,60221 Watt.
Circuit input usage with coils connected = 1,54854 Watt.
Output on coil 1 with 10 ohm load resistor = 0,29584 Watt
Output on coil 2 with 5 ohm load resistor = 0,24642 Watt
Output total = 0,54226 Watt.

Circuit input usage - circuit switching loss = 1,54854 Watt - 0,60221 Watt = 0,94633 Watt.
So at 12VDC input voltage the circuit COP = 0,573. So at this low voltage the circuit runs at a little
over 50% efficiency. So I agree with you, high voltage switching in resonance is a must.

@TinselKoala,

Great video. You confirmed that the input usage did not go up when connecting the coil as a load.
Keep up the good work.

Groundloop.

Thx Groudloop for the feed back
i am playing with a bigger setup ,i need to power a MOT in resonance i am working on producing hho so now you gave me an idea for the inverter first i will try to find the resonance of that inverter than i will power the MOT and find its resonance .still waiting foe my part in the mail  ;D

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2008, 04:38:29 PM »
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2008, 06:20:57 PM »
Hello all,

maybe a core?

Otto

Hello Otto,

thanks for dropping in ;)... I went to bed this morning around 2:30am and could not sleep and eventually did around 8am. Anyways, just to say when I woke up one of my first toughs was... this is most likely the same principal as the SM TPU.... I wonder If the TPU guys will check the topic and here you are Otto.

I did try my coil with and without pieces of ferrite inserted in the center of the spool and found no real advantages using it. It seemed to increase the output but at a cost of power consumption from the input.

But others should replicate and experiment to find the best combination.

Thanks for looking and asking your question Otto

Luc


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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2008, 06:43:38 PM »
Gotoluc, Groundloop, TinselKoala very nice and professional work. Don't stop posting, I can just say before me somebody, there are many people who read that topic. ;)

I am not replicated the circuit, but I feel I can help a bit, to make it more interesting, and fun.

I think, if the challenge is a designing a coil system and circuit which which deliver more output then input,  and we plan to loop back the part of the output to input, we need rethink, what controlling system will allow to us that.

I would suggest to eliminate the signal generator first. The coil is, the resonance target, we pulse the coil, to achieve resonance. We can't reach real resonance if our drive pulse frequency can't change harmoniously with the coil resonance level. I suggest to redesign the circuit, to make possible the self triggering. You have to use sensing coils, which would provide the input pulse for input side. These sensing coils have to induce enough voltage to turn on the circuit. They can induce only any voltage if they are in good relationship  with the target coil, and if there are flux change in the target coil. So, I suggest to bond the output power side, and input power side together, and allow the circuit, to start from same cap. If that ready, and our circuit, and coil design is good, if we charge the cap, the circuit will start, and after some ringing stop, because the cap goes empty.

Now the real challenge is the understood the relationship between the coils, and design a coil system, which will destroy itself. There are many interesting thing about coils, and many thing what we think we know, but when we start to investigate we realize, oh my god, we don't.

Thank you Chef for posting your ideas and opinion ;)

I totally agree with you ;D... ideally we should have some kind of feedback to keep coils tweaked since changes of loads will effect the coils resonant frequency.

I also though of this and I was trying to remember of a circuit I saw (I think on youtube) of someone's design to keep a Stanley Meyer's style coil in resonance as the dielectric properties of water change with heat, or something like that. It looked very simple. If anyone can help find that information please do post it.

Thanks Chef for taking the time to post this information.

Luc

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« Reply #114 on: December 18, 2008, 08:15:27 PM »

Boy...it looks like you guys are nearly there.

Regards...


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« Reply #115 on: December 19, 2008, 06:20:10 AM »
Hi everyone,

the research I do is intended to hopefully find an energy solutions to help the less fortunate of the World. I do not want to create waste of researchers time, money and resources. I need to find a way to test my setup so that we are all 100% confident of what we are seeing in my video demonstration.

I have an idea to test my setup and would like your opinion to see if my thinking is correct or not.

I'm thinking of buying enough 9v batteries so once connect in series I'll have the 47vdc I did my video test 8 with. I'll start the circuit with no load and monitor the volts and then I'll load the coils and see if the volts drop. If the volts don't drop and the caps charge then we know that what ever is at the capacitors (which are also under load) is extra power at no cost of amps. I think this should make it indisputable since the batteries in series will show instantaneously a voltage drop with an extra load since the power reserve is really equal to a single 9v battery.

Please let me know if you think this test is good or not.

Thank you all for your time :)

Luc
« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 06:40:49 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2008, 06:25:01 AM »
Hello all,

@gotoluc

the voltage will drop!! This IS the reason I said you should use a core. With a core the voltage should be stable when you connect a load.

Otto

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« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2008, 06:31:04 AM »
Thank you Otto for your quick reply! ... your comment is noted ;)

I would like to hear as many replies as possible, so please post.

thanks for all sharing to help.

Luc

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« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2008, 12:23:21 PM »
Luc,

I have a proposal for a over unity test.
See attached drawing.

The challenge is to use proper designed coils and enough coils
to get a useful output.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2008, 05:40:13 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

thanks for your suggestion. I is a very good idea! the only thing is it does involve more time in retuning of the pickup coils and in the end I may loose what I have.

Do you not think the battery idea is a good enough test?... if it shows good results, then I could build your proposed circuit idea to which I really like ;D.

What do you think?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 06:17:54 PM by gotoluc »

 

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