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Offline smith

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2009, 11:55:58 PM »
Does the name "Savage-z" ring a bell? Your name looks familiar.
I can't help but ask if you were in that forum some year or so ago? So was I. If not, I wasted a few bytes, Oh well.

I will have to review the patent, if that is what you are referring to with example 1 and 2. OK, it is coming back a little.
I opened the patent pdf that I still have on my hard drive. I may have skipped trying the plastic and lead and stainless
materials, and went right for the iron fillings and the patent material. I used two plastic cups about 1.5 inches diameter
and squished the mixture in between the two cups, holding it in place. I do not know that I have a 28 lb pull magnet.
I tried a few different Neo, and a ceramic magnets. I did have the iron fillings. They stuck to the bottom of the
cups as though the patent wasn't there. I also tried using a piece of copper tubing squished flat with one end blocked.
I filled the copper tube with the mixture and placed it in between a magnet and the fillings, and they stuck the same.
I thought that perhaps a base material was important to have, as shown in figure 1. As for the thickness of the
patent mixture squished between the cups, I tried various amounts, obviously, the thicker it is, the weaker the field anyway.

Gordon also told me not to use the nano silver that the patent mentions. He said stick with the flake form.
He never explained to me what the term "Slightly moistened" meant. The difference between example 1 and 2 is
not obvious to me. I don't recall how much of this that I am saying is still in the Savage-z forum. The ingredients
do mix together pretty well. They just blend together.

If anyone wants any of the materials, I have plenty of the coal slag and silica. The calcium stuff I got at the dollar General
per Gordon's verbal instruction. I have a small amount of the silver left. Once you mix the stuff it is next to impossible
to separate them. Though, I just don't know how to. As for others trying the patent, It seems to me that one or more of the members of the Savage-z group also tried as I did, and had no success. To those who might read this and wonder what Savage-z is, it was some fellow's Yahoo group, based around the guy's magnet motor idea. Since you haven't heard of it, that
obviously means it never took off. The guy did though, (dissappeared, that is) and I have not heard from him since.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2009, 01:15:56 PM »
@smith

Hi Paul,  yes it is me and I also remember you from Savage-Z group.  Unfortunately, my building attempts on Cedric's proposed setup had to be suspended because the side forces from the facing magnets were still too strong on the axle (in spite of the ceramic magnets instead of Neo) and due to my mechanical helper friend's other occupations I have had to postpone the reconstruction of the base with a more robust axle.  I am not yet fully convinced Cedric's setup is a total crap...  and will talk to my friend soon on a "how about making a new base with a strong shaft".

Yes I meant the patent's examples as you correctly deduced. (The patent is uploaded here, it is an attachement to Reply #7 on the first page of this thread from wattsup, he had a longer phone conversation with Gordon about 3 weeks ago.  If Gordon is really selling his "knowledge"  then there is little hope he discloses anything important to forum members here or elsewhere provided he really has got some tricks he did not include in the patent.

Lucy's letter above is interesting because the momentary effect of the magnetic deflection is mentioned, this is why I thought  whether you could repeat tests Example 1 or 2 in a dynamic fashion (of course this is not included in the patent text).  Maybe we could invite to this forum Richard K Black Jr ( thesafetyguy@gmail.com ) Lucy refers to?

Regards,  Gyula

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2009, 07:07:06 PM »
In response to the Giron material that OscarMeyer mentioned. I purchased some of that some time back.
It is a high carbon steel material that has wood grain like structure to it. If you take it apart, exposing the steel
inside, it is layered in 90 degree fashion. The steel pieces themselves will crack if you bend it in one direction,
and be more durable in the other. So the two layers are 90 to each other. It is probably useful for shielding some
limited applications. I have no use for it beyond the initial playing around with it that I did. Perhaps I am twisted in my
thinking about what I think I need to be useful, but that would be a shield material that blocks the field without behaving
like a ferrous metal otherwise.

The Savage -Z deal in my mind, fell apart, because it needed a more effective shield material, but perhaps I am wrong.
Aside from that, the concept made sense to me, but constructing accurate test jigs are no trivial matter.

I got the impression from talking to Gordon, that he didn't seem to me, like a typical genius type, who used math
equations, or technical jargon, to explain any of his experiments. He seemed to me like an experimenter type, who
came up with an idea, and did some kitchen table lab experiments. He mentioned his tree-power experiments to me
while on the phone as well. Although it is interesting, I wonder how useful it is, and my current interests were on the
shielding deal. I asked him how he came up with the patent, he said by trial and error. He said that he would combine
substances and note the effect. Add a little more of this or that, and see what happens. He claimed that he spent
thousands of $ on this method, and finally came up with the patent. As far as it appeared to me, Gordon thought
that it works. Gordon mentioned working with a fellow in Texas, who was developing a m-motor using the patent.
Gordon told me that he saw the motor in operation. In another interesting connection, I conversed with another
person who also went to see this fellow in Texas, interdependently from Gordon. According to this other person, the
same m-motor did not work. So there you go. Which one do you want to believe? By the way, this second person
said, that the fellow in Texas had developed some type of working m-motor, but it did not use the patent. The
claim was that he could not get the patent to work.

I may have given up too soon on the patent, but it does not mention the so-called "Dynamic effect" that I could
find. Certainly it might be interesting to see if Lucy is in the sky with diamonds, or if this Black fellow's deal is real.
No disrespect intended, just my goofy sense of humor.

I will see what I have left of the already mixed materials and consider some testing. Any suggestions for this dynamic test?

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2009, 10:56:46 AM »
Whilst I digest all the posts to date and follow some lines of inquiry I thought I might  share a bit of info. Now don't shoot me if you are already aware of this!.This is similar to the Gary Wesley findings. I mean we have been taught that like poles always repel each other. Right? Using two Neos of 19mm dia x 26mm length and mild steel shield 8mmthich x 22mm x 26mm it is possible to get get repulsion and attraction depending on the distance between the like poles. By placing the shield on one pole of one magnet attempt to bring the like pole of the other magnet toward the shield. As expected there will be an increasing repel force. Persisting in the movement there comes a point where there is neither attraction nor repulsion. Any further movement will now result in attraction.

Can any sharp mind suggest how this phenomenon  may be used if at all?  A not too significant diversion I hope from the main task of the holy grail,magnetic deflecting field shield or mdfs.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 02:06:12 PM »

I will see what I have left of the already mixed materials and consider some testing. Any suggestions for this dynamic test?


Well, nothing special, just try to mimic a passing rotor magnet in front of a soft iron stator piece (or magnet stator) so that this powder "shield" is placed between them (also between the facing areas) or placed onto one side of a magnet, the point is there would be continuous  movement, not a static or not a very slow moving test. Also, if you can turn the "shield" 90 degree wrt its previous position to check the direction sensitivity of the powder (length or width wise) if any.   Thanks.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2009, 09:15:00 PM »
I am not a physics major, but isn't there some rule about equal and opposite forces? Unless in the quantum world of electrons and such, these
rules are different, I don't know. When I take a strong neo magnet and quickly pass it by the patent mixture, should the mixture (As
a pile of powder) somehow react to the magnet swooping by (Aside from the coal slag having some ferrite content). I would expect that it should
be either momentarily be attracted or repulsed, or make some movement, besides from the wind passing by as I move the magnet. I see no
activity when doing this test. All I see is some of the coal slag stick to my magnet.

Offline capthook

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 09:57:46 AM »
I tried again tonight to talk with Mr. Wadle regarding his magnetic deflector material patent and I managed to get him on the phone.

Great work wattsup on contacting the shielding inventor.
Interesting reading on your (and others) conversations with him.

I guess the xxmm$ question(s) is(are):
1. how effective is the shielding
2. effect duration
3. complete fabrication techniques
4. documented proof of the effects

Does it work?  Is it practical?
If anything, I would venture a guess that it might shield a relatively small % - like 0.1% or something.
Meaning - it would TECHNICALLY work, but not PRACTICALLY.
Further details and concrete evidence and results would be needed.

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Offline capthook

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2009, 10:01:12 AM »
As to Lucys' post of the patent application:

Thank you Lucy for posting it.

The devil lies in the details.
As such, I find it to be short on details and long on generalities.

A few to address: (my comments in bold)

[000051]   The present inventor is the first one that thought of the idea of placing a movable magnetic shield between a stationary magnet and a stationary conductor in order to expand and contract the magnetic lines of flux crossing a stationary conductor to produce electromagnetic potential and generate the electricity.

This is the major basis of the patent.  However, he is NOT the first one to think of/present this idea and there are many documented examples of others pursuing the same methods.  A few examples are on this website.  The guy using washers as shields in this manner comes to mind (anyone remember/link to that thread?)
As such, attempting to patent a process that has been previously documented/disseminated is not possible.
And though I haven't done a patent search on this, I would guess there are existing patents that - at the very least - would have to be refered to.
Was a full search done by a professional?  Were previous documented disclosures of this process considered?
I suspect approval would require elimination of this paragraph.  But then, it's really the basis of the application - so I see the whole thing as a no-go.
(not trying to shoot you down - just stating the facts as I see them and in my opinion)


[000054]   The present invention contemplates the use of any type of non-ferrous shielding material, such as the one described by Robert C. O'Handley in Modern Magnetic Materials, Principles and Applications, John Wiley & Sons, New York, pp. 456-468, which provide nanocrystalline magnetic alloys, which are particularly well-suited for rapid switching of magnetic flux. These alloys are primarily composed of crystalline grains, or crystallites, each of which has at least one dimension of a few nanometers. The entire disclosure of each of these disclosures is hereby incorporated by reference into this specification.

Further information on this shielding material would be of great interest.  Anyone have links, .pdfs, notes etc?  Will it actually work in the manner required/proposed?

[000055]   Other non-ferrous magnetic materials having particularly useful properties are formed from an amorphous Co-Nb-B (cobalt-niobium-boron) alloy having near-zero magnet-obstruction and relatively strong magnetization, as well as good mechanical strength and corrosion resistance.

Further information on this shielding material would be of great interest.  Anyone have links, .pdfs, notes etc? Will it actually work in the manner required/proposed?

[000056]   The preferable non-ferrous material for the magnetic shield according to the present invention is the one described in US Patent No. 7, 220,488, entitled “Deflecting Magnetic Field Shield” by William May and Gordon Wadle. The entire disclosure of each of these disclosures is hereby incorporated by reference into this specification.  Examples 2 and 3 of the patent clearly show how a magnetic shielding material can deflect or block the magnetic lines of flux.

And now the heart of the details, the Wadle shielding.  But does it actually work and is a generator using it practical/possible?  (see my earlier post)

[000057]   The main advantage to the shielding material is that it is non-ferrous; thus, there will be no loss of power rom the magnet(s) when used next to the shield.

Yes - it is the (as yet unachieved) holy-grail.  This is a extraordinary claim REQUIRING extraordinary PROOF.

[000058]   Another embodiment of the present invention contemplates the use of semi-ferrous materials for the magnetic shield.

Materials like... what?  And then you have the, as still to this day, the problem of the ferrous material shielding being attracted to the magnet requiring large energy input to break it away.
_ _ _ _

Thanks again for the posting Lucy.

I look forward to further information from anyone that may offer it.


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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2014, 04:43:15 PM »
In response to the Giron material that OscarMeyer mentioned. I purchased some of that some time back.
It is a high carbon steel material that has wood grain like structure to it. If you take it apart, exposing the steel
inside, it is layered in 90 degree fashion. The steel pieces themselves will crack if you bend it in one direction,
and be more durable in the other. So the two layers are 90 to each other. It is probably useful for shielding some
limited applications. I have no use for it beyond the initial playing around with it that I did. Perhaps I am twisted in my
thinking about what I think I need to be useful, but that would be a shield material that blocks the field without behaving
like a ferrous metal otherwise.

I understand this thread is rather old, but I stumbled on it today. I'd like to set the record straight and point to the fact that the product you can buy in the States called Giron is actually G-iron Flex, produced by G-iron Srl, an Italian company. The company's core business is the development and installation of shielding system with their proprietary technology to protect people and sensitive equipment from the effects of the magnetic field. G-iron Flex is as of now the only magnetic shielding material that is still efficient when bent to a 90-degree angle. Visit http://www.g-iron.it/en to read more about it.

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