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Offline nrama

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Deflecting magnetic field shield
« on: December 01, 2008, 07:38:38 AM »
Has any one seen an application for patent for a deflecting magnetic field shield ? The patent USPTO No is 7220488. If so I would like to hear from any one who has investigated the claim. If the claim is verifiable an all magnet motor may be possible.

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Deflecting magnetic field shield
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Offline 4Tesla

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 10:16:26 AM »
Here is a thread on shielding:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4528.0

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
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Offline nrama

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 12:46:57 PM »
Thank you for the quick reply.

I think I worded my request rather badly! I have in fact read the patent on the deflecting magnetic field shield and have gone as far as attempting to reproduce the results. I am not certain if the failure is due to not having the specific ingredients as per the patent. I was wondering aloud if any one else has looked closely at the patent and attempted replication.

What is interesting about the claim is that the ingredients are non magnetic and the only metal in the device is six micron silver powder. The device is claimed to actually deflect magnetic field as a mirror would light. The implication and scope of the deflector boggle the mind.
 For the record I have attempted to contact the patent applicants through their patent attorney without success.

If the deflector actually works it would be a simple matter to build a magnet motor.


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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »
I tried calling today Mr. Gordon Wadle who is one of the inventors of the above patent but no-one answered so I will try at days end. I would like to speak with him regarding his patent and if there is any available product yet and also to invite him on the forum. Hopefully, he can inform us himself. In the patent it says it works with high power magnets. It took them years of trial and error testing to develop it. Hmmm.

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Offline nrama

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 03:04:01 AM »
In the event anyone can get the deflector shield working I shall describe a simple device which may benefit from it. I have attempted to share this idea with another tinkerer but have  got NO response.

The motor comprises two identical discs,10mm acrylic, mounted coaxially with the shield between. I had in fact initially used 1.5mm mild steel for the shielding but the adverse magnetic gradient set up between the shielded and non shielded areas prevented rotation. The magnets,6 on each disc, are 10mm diameter x 10mm Neo. The stator is relatively fixed with the shield,6 bladed fan shaped, rotating in opposite direction to the rotor through bevel gears. The rotation of the shield and implied rotor, alternately expose the opposing magnets. A series of impulses is the purpose of the exercise.

The relatively fixed stator may be rotated to advance or retard the impulses. It is important that the shield must NOT be magnetic, hence my interest in the DEFLECTING MAGNETIC FIED SHIELD.

I was prepared to share this idea with the inventors of the shield. I am also prepared to send some CAD drawings to whoever is interested. BUT it must be STRESSED that all depends on the SHIELD.

Here is hoping someone has more luck with the replication of the shield.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 03:33:15 AM »
I heard lead will deflect a magnetic field. Maybe they were using it in gasoline in order to disperse it around the world so the value and availability of it would be unfavorable. I do know it is used extensively for radioactive signals. kudos

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Offline wattsup

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 03:33:00 PM »
@guys

Well, I tried again tonight to talk with Mr. Wadle regarding his magnetic deflector material patent and I managed to get him on the phone. Unfortunately I did not record the call that lasted a good 25 minutes so I will just report from my quick notes.

It's funny though when you give someone a cold call, they don't know who you are but you know them a little from what you read, they tell you they have only 2 minutes to talk but when you start getting into the conversation they are so happy to talk to someone that really wants to understand not only the object in question, but the business side of it, the family side of it, etc. Inventors are a breed on their own indeed.

OK, basically he had been working on this of his kitchen table for a good two years trying over 1000 different mix combinations before he came up with his present material. He had companies supplying samples of pure elements to do his research. He did his mixes in those small transparent plastic cafeteria cups you put ketchup in, with a cover. When he said this, you quickly have to understand the enormity of the task so you are talking to a man that has a high level of determination which is very commendable indeed, both to him and his family that stood by him all the way.

Mr. Wadle is a seasoned businessman and own a company in Maine called MagCap Engineering (Magcap.com) that works in industrial transformers (wow to us) but they have also made a new electronic invention that draws about 1.5 volts and some mA from trees. They even had MIT do tests with a tree in a Faraday cage and their device still drew the voltage. They are working this company in the forestry industry were this device will be stuck onto trees to sense forest fires. (Hey Gordon you could call it a Tree Sentry or Sentree for short - lol). Instinctively, I asked him if he put 10 of these on the same tree and he said you'll have more amperage but the same volts. It does not work in series. He asked me if I knew that the ground was positive and the tree was negative and I told him that was news to me. I did not want to get into the deep because of time. We always think the Earth is negative. Hmmmmm. Guys here will ponder that one for sure. Anyways back to the deflector.

He said that although the thing is patented, there is still some information that anyone would need to make this material (standard practice in patent disclosure) and they are presently discussing with an overseas company that is looking to simply buy them outright. He does not have any interest as far as I can tell in developing this himself or with his partner. Naturally, I asked him what is holding back the deal and the obvious answer was the amount of money they are looking for. He is already doing very very well and need for money does not play into their immediate needs so this gives them the strength to patiently negotiate along their terms.

I asked him to explain more about the deflector. He said we have to understand that this deflector will not work if it is covering a magnet or a portion. I was puzzled because I was expecting a miracle coating that stopped part of a magnet field, but then started to understand. The material will momentarily deflect the magnetic field but if the magnet is held next to it, it will not work. One of his engineer friends was asked to take a look at it and he put it in between a large magnetic switch and the switch did not move. He came back saying this is supposed to be impossible but it works. lol

Basically, just like a magnet has to move in and out to apply a field (or initiate coupling), the deflector has to move in and out of a field to deflect it. The magnetic field cannot apply if it does not move because it will oversature and the deflector cannot deflect if it does not move into a non magnetic region before it deflects again. The perfect opposites. We could call it an Anti-Magnet. lol

So basically if you had four coils at 90 degrees with four deflectors placed at the right spot and your rotor had four magnets at 90 degrees, this would equal a momentary condition when the magnet passes near the deflector then away, it could momentarily block half a polarity and reduce drag. Hmmmmmm.

I am thinking that if you had a magnetic rotor disc, with a deflective stator (no coils) that sends the deflection straight back to the magnets and just let them loose (or give them just a nudge) they should turn continuously because the same polarity would be deflected back to the magnet producing replusion.

There will have to be developped a new performance table for "magnetic deflective materials" with new terms. A whole new industry is born and the applications will be tremendous indeed. Whoever "can" and does not scoop this up will miss something very very big.

Imagine an air core coil that is pulsing on and off and on the top and the bottom you put deflectors that will deflect the field from all sides north and south into one central point. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Imagine a generator with a fixed rotor and fixed stator but what does turn is a deflection cylinder that goes between the rotor and stator. The magnetic field would still move on and off the coils and there would be no drag.

I ask him if the buyer of the patent needed a billion dollar manufacturing plant make it and he said no, not at all. It the percentages, the mix sequence and some other factors. It would still take some serious R&D to make this is larger scale but I asked him if he understood the scope of his invention and the implications this could have for the making of free energy devices. He said yes he did somewhat but the FE field does not interest him at all.

Anyways, not being one to close the book that easily, I asked what the magic number was and he said in the two figures (so XXm$). lol It is crazy how guys come up with a figure. I asked him if I had someone who would be interested and he answered that if I bring them forward before the other company, no problem. So, who wants to buy a Magnetic Deflector and start a whole new industry? I'll have to make some calls. lol

Finally, I told him hat he is welcome to come here and talk whenever he feels like it, so we shall see.

wattsup

Added: I attached a copy of the patent below.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 04:18:04 PM »
Hi Wattsup,

thank you for the interesting report!

Hopefully the overseas company will not lock the patent and any rights on it into a drawer for ever...

Even if they don't, chances are we get very far from learning some important know-how unless Mr Wadle appears here or on some other forum and share what he can.

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 02:36:28 AM »
the sad thing is you have all the ingredients and the knowledge of how it works you just need to find the right mixture and your already making it sound like a lost cause... If you really wanted to know his magic formula you would grab a large amount of all the ingredients and start experimenting...

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2008, 08:31:31 PM »
@nrama,  How did you bind your elements? Press, melt, spin, adhere,etc? I only ask cuz i will experiment with the patent elements as well as some of my own ( like delpeted uranium), I just dont want to duplicate what you have tried due to cost. A video would be great!!  Thanx
@ Wattsup , Thanx

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Offline OscarMeyer

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 01:36:00 AM »
Great work on the call to the inventor!  Smart detective work through the old check with the patent lawyer trick...LOL

Anyway, below I found already available material you can purpose for magnet shielding.  I could be thinking the wrong application but who knows.  Check 'em out...

http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

(cool videos of magnetic shielding)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=magnet+sheilding&um=1&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Yevof-zCI




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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 09:26:37 AM »

My cousin duplicated Mr Wadles work, discovered its magnetic deflection properties were momentary and designed a entirely new method mechanical electrical generation around them over 6 months ago. He filed a patent on the method last Oct (see attached).
 
A METHOD OF GENERATING ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL FROM A STATIONARY MAGNET AND A STATIONARY CONDUCTOR

Here is his contact information

Richard K Black Jr
thesafetyguy@gmail.com

Tell him Lucy told you to contact him:)

Offline smith

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2009, 08:09:08 PM »
I spoke on the phone with Mr Wadle about the patent about a year ago. I obtained all of the ingredients as he
instructed me. I still have his email address. I even bought a small scale to measure the weights. If anyone wants
some black magma, or silica, I have the exact items that Gordon told me to get. He even told me some slight
modifications from what the patent says, as to how to mix them. I got the silver and the cal-mag-zinc also.

Perhaps I didn't test my results with enough elaborate equipment to detect any effect. I don't have a laboratory, or
money to engage in measuring any small "One time" effects of a moving magnetic field. I assembled the
ingredients and placed magnets near each other, inserting the patent mixture in between, and noticed no
obvious reduction in the magnet's strength. After emailing Gordon about this, he said it needs to be tested in a
vertical relationship to the earth. I detected no difference doing that either.

I have to guess that the only effect, on the patent had to do with the distance increase between the magnets,
whether the patent was there or not. I pretty much assumed from my testing, that the patent doesn't work. I did wonder how
the professors at MIT (I think that is where he told me that he had it tested) would have been fooled by this.
Gordon said he had to pay $50,000 to get them to write papers to prove the effectiveness for the US patent office.
I am not saying this money was a payoff, just a charge for their time to check it out, and do whatever testing.
If there is an effect of the mixture, it is not obvious to the average person like me. I would like to see the test
results of the professors, and how they tested it.

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Re: Deflecting magnetic field shield
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2009, 09:59:34 PM »
@smith

Thank you for letting us know about your efforts.

One question:  Have you tried either Example 1 or 2 to repeat dynamically?  I mean perhaps the shielding effect happens only in a moving case where either the shield or the permanent magnet is passing by each other, (perhaps at 180 or in a certain angle).

I know this is not so in the patent... but this would be the only logical approach to explain the term "one time effect"  (if it is true at all of course but I always approach with the benefit of doubt  ::))

Regards,  Gyula

 

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