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Author Topic: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?  (Read 18686 times)

Offline sterlinga

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Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« on: November 30, 2008, 09:33:44 AM »
http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

Zero Amp Tech demonstration reflections - Peter Sumaruck has captured the imagination of many with his demonstration alleging 0.05 Watts input from a genset powering five motors (4000 Watts) output through his modified modified variable AC motor controller.  However, a New Energy Congress assessment gives reason for skepticism. (PESN; Nov. 30, 2008)

See also our general index page at:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pete's_%22Zero_Amp%22_Electronics

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 02:42:44 PM »
"Reason for skepticism?"

Indeed. What I'd like to know is just what "reason for credulity" there ever was, in this fairy tale.

This quote from Sterling's report pretty much sums things up:

"Pete was not running the amp meter in series on the input, but in parallel; so the 0.241 amp reading was not accurate, but was low.  An undetermined amount of the input electricity was flowing through the telephone wire, while some (0.241 amps) was flowing through the meter.  Jim Dunn tried to get Pete to run the meter in series so that all the electricity would flow through the meter for a more accurate reading of input current, but Pete never did that while we were there.
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"Telephone wire nowadays is typically 24 gauge (ref.), which is 0.0201 of an inch in diameter (ref.).  Jim said 24-gauge wire can carry up to 10 amps before it melts.  He uses it as a "poor man's fuse" for some applications.  It could easily carry the 2-4 amps that it would take to soft start up the five motors.  When I asked Pete about this later, he said that the telephone wire was of much smaller gauge than that -- like 60 gauge .  Jim said that telephone wire would never be less than 26 gauge."

And we can see in the photos that the wire looks like standard #24 or #26 plastic-insulated wire. When Pete mentions "60 gauge" wire he clearly has no clue as to what he's talking about. In the other article #44 wire is mentioned--which, based on the demonstration Sterling saw, and the above comment, is most certainly also wrong.

An "electronics technician" hooks an ammeter up in parallel with a power source and a load, somehow doesn't blow the meter's fuse, and then uses the reading to calculate power, and then claims that power is being conveyed in wires finer than a human hair--when photos clearly show much larger wires than that.

It's so stupid it isn't even funny. How can anyone give this clown (Sumaruck, not Sterling!) any credence at all? He should be run out of town on a rail, or made to write "I will not hook my ammeter across the power supply" a hundred times on the blackboard.




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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 04:41:42 AM »
Hi Sterling.

In future we should all consider to make sure you/any one does your  best to advise him to do an independent load test (non inductive) and have some one independently validate it with security(like black light power did). Any ways, if it is an RV, that box would be some kind of VFC and tuned circuit for the load. We have had a report of a loop that's being done with the Rv, its not stable yet, it takes allot to tune it. Ill have more details later.

This is the most we have so far. (quote form the person , we saw his set up via skype cam)
RV-AlT ->Three ph trafo in series with
alt caps in tripple flux-> 3 ph bridge ->dc caps-> Blocking diodes
one forward biased on pos leg and one reverse biased on neg leg to
more dc caps bucket brigade daisy chain -> common rails -> super cap -
>battery and inverter back to standard RV PM. Theres your looper.-end

We will have anew descriptive video for all soon.  Thanks for taking the time to sniff it out Sterling, he should of just sold ebooks on how too like water for gas and made millions over night with SECURITY.


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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 04:41:42 AM »
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 06:14:53 AM »
There is only one question that we need to ask-----can the small input wires handle the start up amps of all those large AC motors? Let alone all starting at once!  NO---- there is no hope in hell those small wires would handle the amperage required, I know this as a fact from experience. So his magical box is doing something we don't understand, It's funny that there are many people who have such an ego they cannot admit there are things they do not understand. Hopefully we will understand, preferably sooner than later.

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 06:27:56 AM »
There is only one question that we need to ask-----can the small input wires handle the start up amps of all those large AC motors? Let alone all starting at once!  NO---- there is no hope in hell those small wires would handle the amperage required, I know this as a fact from experience. So his magical box is doing something we don't understand,

You need to bear in mind that he is not starting his motors normally.  Yes, if he was starting normally, in less than a second, those wires would be fried.  But he's soft starting over 2-5 seconds, and that doesn't pull that much current, mabye 5 amps at best, and those 24-gauge telephone wires can handle that much.

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 06:50:03 AM »
The key here is what Sterling stated on post 1.
"output through his modified variable AC motor controller."
Modified how is the question.

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 07:08:20 AM »
Sterling. Before claiming to know what the RV is please understand what it is and read carefully. I just got sent this from konehead.

a quote by you:

""There are a number of discussion groups (e.g. pertaining to EV Gray
and Rotoverter) that have been pursuing this type of thing for
several years. When the motors run in resonance like this, they run
very efficiently in idle mode, but when a load is applied, they
exhibit normal efficiency"" -End

1) the VARS/resonance needs  to be extracted by a particular method we out line in the compilations, not series loaded, even some one who  tried for president once? should know that one.
2) We have shown by converting the RV in energy saving mode, (a drill) that by switching of the caps that it DOES give it more power on demand. (power factor correction)

Please understand that you have  NO - THAT IS NO knowledge of the RV's operation based on that statement,. Please correct it by reading the compilations and preforming the tests in the lab.
You can see our Drill test and explanation of the RV FOR DUMMIES  Later next year. Mean time , please read the compilations to understand the RV principle.


Thank you.
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 12:18:54 AM »
Hi all,
2HP el. motor running without load- doesn't mean it takes 2HP load.Induction el. motor without a load takes minimum current,2HP means it is capable to give such load-but then currents are much bigger.It is so simple.
On the video I would rather like to see on the clamp ammeter current IN, current OUT.
But the very BASIC error is to calculate output load as 7,5 HP when 3 el.motors with such name plate RATED power are running without load!
Regards,
pix

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 01:06:46 AM »
Test should of been

Battery->inverter-> black Box/Motor ----->5 induction motors driving
generators and putting power back to the battery, and running lights
(total power of the 5 gen sets worth of lights).

Demo should of run 24/hours.NON stop. At the end the battery is
measured with a hydro meter. Then he lets some on like Earl
independently validate it and produce the same results (non
disclosure). Simple.

Both announce test report.

Ash

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 01:06:46 AM »
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 02:24:48 PM »
@ash

If this guy can show OU with amp/volts in versus amps/volts out, why would you then ask him to run a so so efficient generator. So what type of generator would you recommend? I'd rather want to know what the modification is to the AC control he is using and just check in and out.

Regarding generators, drive motors, etc., I just put up a post that discusses the pitfalls of using these for OU and I was even hoping that you would take a look and provide your comments on what I may have overlooked. It is located here.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6116.msg141129#msg141129

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 04:59:54 PM »
Hi all,
2HP el. motor running without load- doesn't mean it takes 2HP load.Induction el. motor without a load takes minimum current,2HP means it is capable to give such load-but then currents are much bigger.It is so simple.
On the video I would rather like to see on the clamp ammeter current IN, current OUT.
But the very BASIC error is to calculate output load as 7,5 HP when 3 el.motors with such name plate RATED power are running without load!
Regards,
pix

@pix

I agree with what you are saying. A motor rotor spinning without load indicates nothing
other then there is some kind of current flowing in the circuit. People don't understand
that the load proportional power usage of a motor is a benefit of existing motor design, but
also a tradeoff. Single operating point efficiency is compromised to obtain the
overall power to load proportionality. Without this, net inefficiency of a motor
in the average situation will increase.

@wattsup

I hear what you are saying about generators, on the other hand in this day and age
we need to start testing for what we really want to see...which is free energy away
from the device under test. If we demand people clearly demonstrate this then we
will block the shenanigans and the volume of devices we have to look at, will drop.
Don't force me to use my potentially faulty imagination on a questionable device,
when testing the device for what we really want to see is relatively easy.

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 04:59:54 PM »
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 12:07:02 AM »
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@pix

I agree with what you are saying. A motor rotor spinning without load indicates nothing
other then there is some kind of current flowing in the circuit. People don't understand
that the load proportional power usage of a motor is a benefit of existing motor design, but
also a tradeoff. Single operating point efficiency is compromised to obtain the
overall power to load proportionality. Without this, net inefficiency of a motor
in the average situation will increase.

Exactly,
In such a case efficiency is like normal transformer minus energy losses on the gap between stator and rotor and the losses on velocity slip between rotating magnetic field and rotating rotor.
Anyway,on the video You could HEAR  :), when magic box connected genset gets it.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2008, 12:42:15 AM »
@ watts

Hi mate.

Yes its certainly quiet a bit of power there,  my suggestion was only to silence all the in between stuff  ;). DC in and DC out, or a hydro meter on the battery with a load that size (looped).
We dont need FE demonstrated to the public, WE NEED IT VALIDATED TO THE PUBLIC. Then you have consumer awareness and demand (government cannot suppress it then).

Black light power did a TINY bit of this, but not enough. Ill send peter an email on Panacea's behalf :)
now my friend i did take a look, I would only comment on it if i built it, unlike most at this forum :). I say build it man, its worth finding out if that's the encouragement you need.
dont forget every thing you need to replicate the RV and apply the extraction to the VARS  is posted by me answering sterling above.

And yes i have seen an individual do it, he is not going to go public yet. i have my three phase trafo here and just getting the other stuff. That's a direct quote form him.

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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
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Re: Peter Sumaruck's "Zero Amp Tech" a Rotoverter?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2009, 05:44:49 PM »
That's the demo from sterlinga's university trip

Chet

 

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