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Esa Maunu

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« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2008, 09:38:16 PM »
From here you can find some interesting articles, how a wireless power transfer from HV power lines can be possible, and data transfer in HV power lines for automated meter reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

http://www.dce.fe.untz.ba/ISPLC_Suljanovic_final.pdf

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13093-spy-planes-to-recharge-by-clinging-to-power-lines.html

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« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2008, 11:07:26 PM »
Hi all,

Interesting theory about the Muons although to my knowledge they cannot exist longer than a few mircoseconds and are actually created in the upper atmosphere by another process of other incoming particles.

Of course the strange time dialation effect was noticed because these Muons only last a couple of microseconds in the upper atmosphere and could never exist long enough to get down here.  However, we do detect them down here!  The reason is that they move at the speed of light, so from their point of view they have only lived for a couple of microseconds.  But from our point of view they have existed for much longer due to the dialation effects!

You can call a muon a heavy electron!

SM once mentioned about "what if you could speed up electrons to the speed of light".

I have often wondered about having one end of an oscillating circuit in another time frame, what would be the result of the circuit as a whole?

 ???


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Dave.

At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?

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« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2008, 11:13:45 PM »
At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?

This Tesla setup?

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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2008, 11:22:15 PM »
At the speed of light many other weird things can happen.Did you know that you can rotate the poles of quadrature setup(aka tesla setup) so fast that at a certain frequency they move across the circumference at the speed of light and it is then when the total field at the center of the quadrature becomes 0(zero)?

Hi,

No I did not know this, but I find it very interesting since each pole is just turning on and off at different times, there is no real rotation in space.  Just that objects like magnet rotors can be rotated by the effect?

Do you have any further info on this?  SM did comment about rotation and the speed of light and it could be very relevant!


Thanks,

Dave.

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« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2008, 11:59:46 PM »
Hello,
          The device ME3951a in the video which measures the strength of magnetic field and volts.
here is the link:

http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/en/Online-Shop/Measurement/Low-Frequency/Instruments/eME3951A.html

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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2008, 12:20:35 AM »
Hi,

No I did not know this, but I find it very interesting since each pole is just turning on and off at different times, there is no real rotation in space.  Just that objects like magnet rotors can be rotated by the effect?

Do you have any further info on this?  SM did comment about rotation and the speed of light and it could be very relevant!


Thanks,

Dave.

OK, first i don't really agree on the part with turning on and off but hey I'm not perfect  ;)
second, excuse my poor drawing skills it had to be fast and simple.
(http://www.dotphoto.com/SAN1/09/9E/17/i099E1729-5A47-47E1-A25E-AC813845D1D0.jpg)
Hmm, let's see, we have a horizontal coil A and we have another coil(s) C, now let's assume that we manage to create a virtual magnet (i love that) inside the coils (for this purpose would be coil c needed) so that the flux lines are not in the same plane with coil c ,a bit of asymmetry;pos 1 or 2; so that we have now a N pole and a S pole .Ok.You all know that when we now rotate that virtual magnet we don't have any flux changes inside coil A so we don't have any induced current. So far so good.But let's play a bit more.What would happend if the poles are rotating so fast across the circumference of the coils that they would hit the speed of light? it's just a question of right freq and the actual circumference.Now the poles are so damn fast that the coil A just sees a whole field inside itself aka much more flux .Oops. more flux mean a flux change.Evrika.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2008, 12:44:42 AM by jordas »

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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2008, 12:46:53 AM »

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« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2008, 01:14:23 AM »
Hi,

Thanks for your diagram.  I cannot see why you think there is a real rotating field.  We turn coils on and off.  These coils are stationary and so are the fields they produce.  We turn them on and off with a certain phase/timing so that a magnet rotor in the centre can be spun.  But the electromagnetic field is not rotating in anyway.

However I see you have wound coils over a central coil at 90 degrees in your diagram.  The coils changing magnetic field will produce an electric field which will want to push the electrons out the side of the wire.  There will be no net current in the normal direction and these coils will not even know the other is there.

Perhaps I am missing something obvious.

Thank you for your patience.


Regards,

Dave.

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2008, 01:29:55 AM »
intresting.... 

i designed a 3 freq/phase quaduture pulse motor   12 n 1 config .. ;)

i will be building it at some point ...   but 4 now i will start easy ...  :)

3 freq

hope your all happy ...   

cuz im a spinn the damn thing for ya....   real soon...  i like my audio model but we will do it  magnetic this TIME....

just built my amps i have 3 of em at 20w bridged  they can handle 2 ohms but i will run em at 4 ...   so i guess i want impediance matched coils....  could be important  ;)  lol

my new controller soon to finish it ...

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here is my pic  of my controller  ...   what a time to get this pic here ....   i tell ya ..
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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2008, 01:39:07 AM »
Hi,

Thanks for your diagram.  I cannot see why you think there is a real rotating field.  We turn coils on and off.  These coils are stationary and so are the fields they produce.  We turn them on and off with a certain phase/timing so that a magnet rotor in the centre can be spun.  But the electromagnetic field is not rotating in anyway.

However I see you have wound coils over a central coil at 90 degrees in your diagram.  The coils changing magnetic field will produce an electric field which will want to push the electrons out the side of the wire.  There will be no net current in the normal direction and these coils will not even know the other is there.

Perhaps I am missing something obvious.

Thank you for your patience.


Regards,

Dave.
Hmm.I'd say that it's not relevant if the fields are moving or not.Fact is that the resultant magnetic vector is rotating.Agree on that?And in order to have a induced current in a coil you must have a varying magnetic vector inside it.But what you seem not to get is the idea of relativistic movement of that vector.Please excuse me if I'm not able to get into full details on this one.Again take only the vector ,that would be the (Red-to-Blue-line) and rotate it from 1 to 2.Due to relativity the coil A will see a resultant vector that will be the grey line(s).It will happen only at speed c.At this moment the coil will see a field that's actually not there and act as it would be one there.i know it's weird.but it's true.And there's more.Even if the rotating speed is less than c there are other effects involved due to the existence of an external magnetic field.the geomagnetic one.

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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2008, 02:56:57 AM »
@jordas

When you use 'c' do you indeed mean speed of light in a vacuum or speed of light in the conductor?

Either way it seems the coils 'C' driving frequency would be very high???

I'll buy the 'relativistic' rotation.

>>Edit...

Interesting notion: I understand the relative vectors are all that really matter. 'c' in a wire is much less than 'c' in a vacuum. Drive the coils 'C' with a simple multivibrator or 555 setup with only two outputs - alternating. Two outputs because there are two sets of 'C' coils. All we need then is to make the frequency 'look' like it is travelling faster than current 'could' travel in that 'A' wire and we break the sound?? barrier?

Even when coils are right angles to each other there is induction, of a sort. The only thing induced is the rise and fall of the driving signal. In this case (A surrounded by C) only one is induced? The rise or the fall?

I tried this all before in different ways. Guess I never hit the right frequencies  :(

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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2008, 04:08:29 AM »
if i remember correctly ...   the freqs were close in the audio ver ...   like 2 real close  and turn 1  to change speed and dirrection this was useing 3 speekers 3 amps 3 laptops ..   this rotation sounds verry wild ...  almost like a race car  going round a track   with a kinda ring to it ...

so i have herd ....

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i dont think the freqs matter so much ...  they need to be set to your coils to ringggg em  ;)  3rd to rotate.... 8)

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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2008, 04:58:56 AM »
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier   10.1109/61.568274

Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference


I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies.  Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!

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« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2008, 05:07:13 AM »
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Even if the rotating speed is less than c there are other effects involved due to the existence of an external magnetic field.the geomagnetic one.

What sort of "effects"?

Let's suppose, hypothetically, that I don't believe in fields and rather than rotate a magnetic field, I want to rotate the underlying potential that supports the existence of the magnetic field.  After all, Stephan Marinov claimed emphatically, that there are no "fields" - only "potentials" and since a magnetic field is dynamic, something is causing it.

So, what is really rotating?  A change in the potential? 

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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2008, 05:08:35 AM »
Harmonic resonance on parallel high voltage transmission lines
Harries, J.R.; Randall, J.L.
Power Delivery, IEEE Transactions on
Volume 12, Issue 1, Jan 1997 Page(s):477 - 482
Digital Object Identifier   10.1109/61.568274

Summary:Harmonic resonance has been observed, measured and modeled on parallel 500-kV lines that are about one wavelength at 2100 Hz, the 35th harmonic. A seemingly small harmonic injection at one location on the system causes significant problems some distance away such as telephone interference


I've given you a new direction forward, but I see people are in love with their fantasies.  Happy dreams, may the muons be with you!!!

EM

@EM

so are you now totally convinced that SM somehow found a way to tap 1000W of power from high tension power lines delivered to his TPU's? End of story?

I think the detective work you did on the mansion and related power lines is awesome! You should be a private investigator!

cheers
chrisC