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Title: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: hartiberlin on November 26, 2008, 06:22:40 AM
Hi All,
I was asked to start this poll because some members said, they wanted to have the OverUnity.com forum
without ads, to get faster access to all the pages.

Well, there are a few options, how to do this.

1. I could introduce a membership fee for instance 3 US$ per month
and put the people who pay this membership fee into a new member-group,
who will not see any ads , so the forum will load much faster for them.
ALso they get the option to lock up their own threads and thus disable
other users to post offtopic annoying things to it.


2. The other members,who would not pay any membership fees would
still see OverUnity.com with ads and it will thus load slower for them
and they don´t have the options to lock/unlock their own threads.


Many thanks for loyal support.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: There will be always free access to the main forum also in the
future, but only with ads.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 26, 2008, 06:45:16 AM
@ Stefan:

Excellent!  I think you will learn a lot from this and whatever you decide, I am sure will make the site even better.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 26, 2008, 07:07:10 AM

I would not hesitate at all to pay a most reasonable dollar a month!  Are you kidding?


If for no other reason (besides the fact that the cost is a no brainer) than to satisfy my curiosity.


TS
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: 4Tesla on November 26, 2008, 08:29:26 AM
I voted #3

Put up a donate button, so I can donate some money and get myself the Overunity forum ads free
or a subscription (monthly donation).. maybe different levels get you different perks. $1, $3, or $5... each level the better the experience.

But I do feel that ad based (free) should stay an option or we'll loose members.

Jason
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: ThothTheSecond on November 26, 2008, 04:40:06 PM
I'm all for it, time for you to get paid Stefan.

One option I would love to see on a paid membership is the ability for an ignore list/button.  When a thread gets overrun with off topic debate it would be nice to filter out those who get overly argumentative.

Thnaks for everything here.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: wattsup on November 26, 2008, 04:52:32 PM
@stefan

I would prefer a yearly membership fee so we don't have to putz around with this every month. So let's say it was $25/year payable upfront.

Then if anyone comes on the board to make a mess of things, they have to pay, and if they get barred because they are total assholes, they lose their balance as a donation. Thank you very much.

We could also have free membership with ads, that's OK but you still have to realize that the free memberships with the ads will still draw bandwidth because all will be on the same server. So if there are 1000 free and only 25 paid, this will not help completely to lower the server busy errors if the server is getting overtaxed. But that's a mild problem.

What I would like to see in the new forum server is as follows for my OU wish list.

1) Better search featues. Search buttons for title, text in post, attachment or all.

This way if I want to search for all jpg's made by let's say @otto, I put "jpg" in the text field, put "otto" in the username field, then click on "attachments". This should give me a list of all jpg files posted by @otto. Right now, the searches do not look at the attachment filenames which is a major problem when you are looking for a specific drawing or image. Could take hours and major bandwidth.

2) In paid mode I would like to still have the modify button to correct last minute spelling errors and mild stuff but not to be used to remove posts.

3) In paid mode, we should have the regular Recent Posts List and also an option to have a Page 2 of recent posts. So when a thread is off the main list, you can always go back to Page 2 and pick it up otherwise you have to go through all the searching. Happens less now since I bookmarks each thread and keep in in by browsers OU Threads directory. lol

Thanks for your always great work and devotion to the forum.

wattsup
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TheOne on November 26, 2008, 06:17:25 PM
If we need to pay, I will switch to another forum
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: DrStiffler on November 26, 2008, 06:18:34 PM
@Stefan

Hummm... Well my Penny is one of added burden and multiple problems.

If you give someone a drivers license, you then need to enforce their driving habits. When one has earned and payed for the right to drive yo now have the burden of proof to get them off the road fro the bad and dangerous habits they exhibit.

So what happens with infraction? Are they taken off the road? Do they get a refund for the license? Does the issuer keep the fee?

Well for one I would never pay for the dysfunctional commentary that is allowed on an open site.

Dr.S.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: poynt99 on November 26, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
I'm enjoying an ad-free overunity.com right now!

Page load time is 25% of what it was. I have no problem now except the short pages, for which I hope Stefan will oblige the requests from users and return it to where it was.

The answer is not to pay for a website or forum, they ought to be free. The answer is to SIMPLIFY with a few simple click ads, nothing more. The problem is bloatware with all the java scripts etc. bogging down the whole forum experience....all unnecessary for a forum to function. We download 200k+ to obtain a little bit of text. And now that the pages are shorter, this means more page transitions/downloads per hour and as a result an even slower forum.

A warning to all: Fully expect the new version of forum software to run even slower. With more and fancier features comes more overhead. As bad as it is now, it is only going to get worse/slower.

Check out Dave's forum here: http://forum.ctglabs.com/ this is how a forum should look and run. May be older software, but it runs slick and is stable. No bloatware to bog things down.

So pay if you like, but unless a complete culture change occurs as wattsup and Dr. Stiffler both alluded to, not much is going to improve.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 26, 2008, 07:20:09 PM
 
Sites such as these, that allow and encourage open exchange of ideas without censorship, will always be targeted by trolls of every sort. And for sobering reason.  We all harbor agendas to varying degree or we could scarcely be called 'sentient' beings.  Speaking as I do, as a self admitted 'troll' with an agenda....I value the right, in jeopardy though it may be, to speak my mind on various issues.  However, civility, as in any real public gathering should be consistently maintained.

Such being said, let's not forget the main objective of Stefan's considerable labors.  It is to foster the achievement of overunity, not social unity.....and let's face it, we all are forced on a daily basis, to deal with or overlook fools in real life, even when they prove, on occasion, to be ourselves.  Those doing real work, sharing the results of hand's on experience shouldn't bat an eye at the dime a day which Stefan humbly proposes.  The hour is getting late, my friends, and as the world begins to fragment quick as a prince Rupert's drop into cliques, cadres, and cabals of like mind in reaction to the obvious decsent into the cruelest form of feudalism the world has ever known....

Perhaps a dime a day to witness the cavalcade of creativity that Stefan has engendered should be exacted from only the observational theorists among us?  Leaving that relatively miniscule number of us who provide hands on results to their watchful eyes and active fingers, to devote such possibly critical expenditure to that extra magnet, coil, weight, etc. which just might leave us all refreshingly speechless for a while.

Frankly, I'd feel privileged to pay for relatively exclusive access to a truly serious and dedicated group of fellow hands on researchers. Those given to nobler pursuits are much less likely to prattle on with inane vulgarities simply to hear their heads rattle, as some have the custom.


Sincerely,


TS


Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: pese on November 26, 2008, 07:29:29 PM
Let PAY the many readers!
And give FREE to writers, (wit postings all 2 or 3 days!
This folk is fill  your board with life.
So an lot is only "still" readers, to take Ideas for Hobby up to instustrial use.
Pese

(delete stupid postings that can be done to have it FREE,
So that will not count,if that is done for that)
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: BEP on November 26, 2008, 09:31:08 PM
I have not participated in so-called 'Elite' threads but the thought of offering a view for money is distasteful. If this happens I suggest the original posters have a chance to delete their posts first.

From what I've seen there is nothing worth the cost but some posts were made with the understanding they would be kept within the group. The main benefit I gather was to keep the scatterbrains away so serious work could be done without constantly trying to defend a thought.

Now that the scatterbrains are the majority of the traffic any remaining serious work will likely go to another forum.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 27, 2008, 07:57:14 PM

Considering the amount of page views Stefan gets, I think the amount of poll responders to this date tells an interesting story.  There are a lot of talkers in life....such that the walkers have learned to become a bit stand offish.


Quote
I have not participated in so-called 'Elite' threads but the thought of offering a view for money is distasteful.


I think the idea of requiring those less inclined to work themselves, to offer a token of appreciation to view the work of those who do, a capital idea!  Fair is fair, after all.


You know, that's what really stinks to high heaven about communism and state sponsored 'capitalism'.  They both work best when the haves are able to effectively insulate themselves from their victims, the have nots....who are then highly encouraged to vent their outrage about the situation, on one another.  Once the remainder of the middle (aka. 'thinking') class is done away with....look out.


Watch the movie:  "Idiocracy".  It highlights the scope of the growing tragedy of programmed social entropy.....pandemic moral relativism borne of selfishness.


The sad thing is, the world thinks it deserves a savior.   It doesn't.  It cotinually expects the selfless to offer themselves up in sacrifice to their stupidity.  But what happens when the selfless are finally consumed by the selfish?  They must feed on themselves.


Okay...Back to the topic at hand....


A membership website, comprised of obviously dedicated researchers would, no doubt, prove quite an interesting venture.


TS
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Yucca on November 27, 2008, 10:46:25 PM
Thanks for the forum Stefan and for keeping all the info fairly safe by backing it all up.

I would pay a $1 per month for adfree forum access, I should probably be paying a little anyway as I read this forum quite alot and rarely click on any ads.

I might even be tempted for the $3 per month with extra features.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 27, 2008, 11:20:22 PM

And good luck getting the gremlins out of the system.....

I've had several of my posts messed with....sometimes right before they become no longer editable.


TS
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: amigo on November 28, 2008, 02:44:20 AM
There is an "elite" section of the board ?! Elite posters want to now remove their posts if the board is opened?!

..may I say "WTF?"

When are we going to stop these segregations among each other? Haven't we seen enough divisions throughout the history?

So, hundreds of other members are now not good enough for the dozen or so "elite" members who have access to the closed board? Is this another "I am better than you are" thing?

I find it appalling to even consider a "special" section for "special" people, and now to learn that there *actually* is a section like that here...well this is a sad day for me.

Why even bother trying to bring the Free Energy to the World when there's a small group of people here, apparently with ulterior motive, working behind the scenes on whatever agenda they might have. What other reason for secrecy?

Oh yeah, let's hear it, from the "elite" members?

Don't bother...I'm calling BULLSHIT no matter what you say because no excuse you give will be honest.

This only reminds of of those douchebags, our "leaders", that meet at Bohemian Grove every year, where they go into seclusion to "unwind" and relax away from the prying eyes of the public and debate the "fate" of the World.

AARGH !

Stefan, this is VERY disappointing and disheartening to learn...
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: BEP on November 28, 2008, 03:36:17 AM
First of all I don't know where the term 'Elite' came from. It must be a label relating to rights to functions on the forum software. There is nothing Elite about the postings or the people using that label.

That label only gave people the ability to communicate without the hammering of 'that is impossible', 'you are an idiot if you think you can do that', 'that is bullshit', ' NO! You must do it MY way!', etc.

Haves and have not's? Do you really think anyone here has anything? The whole point is to create something worth sharing. This will not happen unless the usual 'noise' is filtered.

Deleting these posts? You bet! I'll be damned if you think I'll put up with people bombing me about ideas I had two years ago. I have had threats from religious zealots to people thinking they work for some government. Then there are the ones that don't read the history and blast their 'new idea' onto the forum ::) - I know - I've done it.

I've posted my opinion. You are welcome to stuff it if you don't like it.

As far as I'm concerned, if this happens, I'll be inviting a select few to a private Google/Yahoo group when I need peer review.



Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 28, 2008, 03:37:08 AM

Amigo,


"Come ye out and be separate, lest you be partakers in the plagues to befall babylon." - Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Chaos = anything goes.


Celebrating mediocrity guarantees a melting pot with a lid on it.  Those who attend bohemian grove are chomping at the bit for a revolution that they themselves are working toward, in order to more fully establish worldwide neo-facist-communi-zionism.  

a New Whoreld Order, that anyone can join......


Or else.


Paying to join the YMCA or to witness the efforts of dedicated alternative energy researchers for that matter, is a far cry from supporting the compromised ideals of elitist power mongers....and should be made available without prejudice to any who wish to show genuine support for the effort.  Certainly the term: "elite" or "elitist" has come to denote arrogance, even evil intent, but whose doing is that?  


Personally, I look forward to the day promised by Christ:


"They will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.” - Yeshua, Jesus Christ


But until then, even an unequal sharing of the pie is better than an equal sharing of the crumbs, no?  


Imagine a group where ALL members DO....not just WATCH and YAK.  I think every forum on the internet should have a "neophyte" grace period.  All who do not DEMONSTRATE that they've learned something within a reasonable period, move on and tax the bandwidth of a site downstream.  This is not to say that I'm against tolerance, free speech is an important right.  And who can, in good conscience, decry civil discourse no matter the subject, when it is so easy to simply avert one's gaze from the text?  Actions speak much louder than words.  Those who fear words, fear reality.  That being said, I feel even civility, as imperative as it is for unity of any kind, should not be allowed to breed entitlement.  It should be, and was in former time, naturally expected in society.  How far we have fallen.


A paid section of the forum with greater privileges and benefits available to all members who pony up an extremely reasonable positive contribution of one form or another, is neither elitist nor segregatory.


It is fair.  Wise, in fact.


Blessings in Yeshua,


TS




Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: icanbeatbob on November 28, 2008, 05:09:16 AM
Wow, it is amazing the difference of opinion here. I frequent this forum to follow the latest progress of old topics and look for new possibilities, and also do a small amount to amateurish tinkering.


I respect the offer of this site to vote on this, even if I don't like the outcome. Personally, I would pay to create a faster and less cluttered forum, but wish others to have the same access even if they have to weed through a little more than I do if they wish not to pay.

On a side note, it is not obvious to me the true agenda of this site. Overunity has nothing to do with aliens coming or others of that type of venue. It is understandable to make money to keep this sight going, but those types of discussions have it's drawbacks. I believe, and even know of one example, in which someone who visited this site ran away screaming with his hands on the side of his face after looking at the discussion board. He could have been a great resource with his success in hydrogen aided ICE.Just wish the focus was on creating a way to cleaner and cheaper fuels and anything else would be in subcategories. Not because I disagree others, but to keep the focus on the intent and bring in more who drive in the center with their personal beliefs.

Brad
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: DrStiffler on November 28, 2008, 10:13:56 PM
@Stephan & ALL

You know the real way to have an honest discussion is to know who is present in the discussion, none of this BS pseudo naming crap that goes on. Everyone in the world can find me on Google and see a picture of my home and my phone number is listed.

So lets cut to the chase, get rid of the crap by knowing WHO they are and available to the public, stop allowing the hidden posters that cause all the trouble and allow a listing of all those LURKERS.

Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


Dr.S.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 28, 2008, 11:04:26 PM

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Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


That is a good notion.


It floors me just how long people will put up with all manner of inanity as though they've been conditioned to believe they deserve it.  Or that somehow pandering to the lowest common denominator is for the greater good.  I've heard various stories over the years, regarding various people of like mind largely withdrawing from society at large in order to foster coherent creative efforts without being trampled or gored by today's exploding goat population.  Often, with legendary results.  The Methernitha commune in Switzerland comes to mind.  


As life rushes to imitate art....in this case, the movie: Idiocracy, those who choose to separate themselves from the increasingly restless herd of willing 'goyim' in order to hold to a well proven value system that is no longer valued....


Are proving to be quite inspirational to those fortunate enough to be squeezed up against the cwhoreporate corral fence long enough to glimpse what those who've jumped it are enjoying and accomplishing.


Blessings,


TS
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: hartiberlin on November 28, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
@Stephan & ALL

You know the real way to have an honest discussion is to know who is present in the discussion, none of this BS pseudo naming crap that goes on. Everyone in the world can find me on Google and see a picture of my home and my phone number is listed.

So lets cut to the chase, get rid of the crap by knowing WHO they are and available to the public, stop allowing the hidden posters that cause all the trouble and allow a listing of all those LURKERS.

Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


Dr.S.

Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.
All the others could only read.
Also the users who  could post there could be selected for instance only by invitation.

So let me know a list of users you want to have there and I can set that up this way or also for
your Stiffer-inventions board.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 28, 2008, 11:31:39 PM

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Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.


I'm game.  Besides, the 'beast' knows where I am anyway.   I have nothing to hide.


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5592.20

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1794827/chemtrails_galore/


Just last night, one of their minions vandalized our family car.  They sure hate being exposed to the light of TRUTH.



Blessings in Yeshua,


Mitch
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 28, 2008, 11:37:57 PM
@ Stefan:

I really like Dr. Stiffler's idea.  Please count me in.  I would post any experiments I do under my own name and, I would also comment on others work, and ask questions using my own name as well.  This is an excellent idea! (I wish I had thought of it)  This probably won't stop all of the crap but I believe it would cut down on it by about 95%.  This would allow the serious folks to keep up the all important information exchange that makes this site so great.  As I said, please count me in.

@ Dr. Stiffler:

Excellent idea sir.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: poynt99 on November 28, 2008, 11:45:09 PM
Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.
All the others could only read.
Also the users who  could post there could be selected for instance only by invitation.

So let me know a list of users you want to have there and I can set that up this way or also for
your Stiffer-inventions board.

Many thanks.

This only leads to more segregation, division, animosity, elitism, etc, etc.

One observation I and a few others have made is that this site is largely un-moderated...ie inconsistent or no moderation at all....all due respect Stefan.

I would suggest that a forum of this size and scope can not be moderated properly by one person. I think there are a few cases where Stefan has given moderation rights to people with their own threads, which is ok, but that only scratches the surface.

Many heated debates and arguments arise because the threads are not moderated, and/or people are not following an accepted protocol for posting. For example, unsubstantiated claims should be questioned immediately if not properly presented. No biases involved, just science and logic.

Meaningless and senseless posts should be relegated to their own area of the forum and removed from any thread they inappropriately invade and disrupt.

Stefan you need more moderators period. This is nothing against you, it just can't be done by one individual. Maybe there could be one moderator per major topic, and these would be elected by the people that frequent and post in those threads under that particular topic.

The quality and management of the posts is a separate issue from the quality/useability of the site, and they should be dealt with separately.

.99
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Neolystic on November 29, 2008, 12:02:56 AM
Dr. Stiffler's idea seems good on the surface, but what is going to stop someone from just picking a random name/address out of a phone book and using it?  If someone wants to disrupt things for whatever reason that's all it takes.  If they got banned all they'd have to do is pick a new name and start over.  I think most everyone will agree that the biggest problem is that a thread starts out with a topic, and within a few pages we've covered half a dozen or more topics unrelated to the original thread.  Throw in a few blowhards who are convinced they know everything (but where are their working devices?), and it becomes a pissing match to see who can run the most people off.

I think the only answer is for the author of the thread, or other designated representative, to pre-screen posts to make sure they are respectful and on-topic.  This of course is not without its own problems, but if threads were set up this way, minimal 'filtering' would actually be required on the part of the thread author, because people wouldn't bother trying to post an off-topic, disruptive, or disrespectful comment in the first place, if they knew it'd never make it through to the thread.

As an adjunct to this, there could be one or more threads where people could post whatever they like without moderators.  This would allow the people who seem bent on making fools of themselves to do so without adding inconsequential drivel to a thread's specific topic.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: poynt99 on November 29, 2008, 12:19:04 AM
Pre-screening is not a good idea, because the moderator would be tied to his computer all day long just authorizing posts. You won't find anyone that wants to do that for free all day.

People have to be trusted to post properly on their own, and if after they post it needs to be removed, edited, or moved to another thread, then so be it. Warnings can also be given. Eventually after enough removals and or warnings, the individual either posts properly or loses posting privileges.There is only so much that can be done to keep a thread sane when literally thousands of individuals have access to them.

.99
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: khabe on November 29, 2008, 12:25:14 AM
Im ready to pay even much more, + donate,
The only things:
* the liers and cheaters must to be comminated !!!
* my  deleted posts about must to be restored
* lanblan4 who named me ´asshole´ because I dont believe this waterwheel fraud - you give me his full address or you decree yourself to him an penalty in value of $1000

with due respect,
khabe
55
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Neolystic on November 29, 2008, 12:30:10 AM
Ok, that makes sense to me why pre-screening is not a good idea.  Moderation would work better as long as the moderators had the authority to actually move posts to another topic.  What I've seen on many sites is that someone comes in and stirs things up, and before you know it there are 2-3 pages of flame wars etc. before a moderator is able to step in and put a stop to it.  By that time the people who were actually trying to talk about the original topic are so mad that the thread is dead.

Concerning paying for the site, I have no problem with it either way.  I do think that opening up the hidden topics to paid members is a horrible idea.  The people who posted in those threads did so with the implicit understanding that their posts would remain private.  I'm just the new guy here and have no access to any of these hidden topics, and as curious as I am about their content, I believe 'selling their access to the highest bidder' would be a gross breach of ethics.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: poynt99 on November 29, 2008, 12:47:12 AM
Perhaps the author/moderator could have the option of choosing to pre-screen or post-screen. The problems with post-screening are noted. One other problem with pre-screening is it may actually discourage people from posting simply because they might have to wait a day or more for their post to appear.

There are pros and cons to both approaches I guess.

I agree, there should not be any secret or elite threads (btw, my "elite" status only means I can lock and unlock my own thread, nothing more) on this site, and they shouldn't be one that has to be paid for.

Topic by topic moderation is one thing that could really help, provided the right individuals are offered and accept the responsibility.

In regards to the forum ads, get yourself an ad blocker and call it a day, it's as simple as that isn't it?

.99
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 29, 2008, 02:00:51 AM

That's the problem with melting pots....eventually the pots themselves give out and spill their contents from the abuse.


There are numerous creative and inspiring methods by which to organize a progressive, even exciting, meeting place which rewards meaningful contribution.


Though I've yet to see them all employed in one website.  What is readily apparent is that we as a largely disjointed band of misfits have little chance of providing any meaningful competition to the 'beast' who now dominates so much of man and nature.  It, like the Roman army before it, is united in force, by force, it's members forgoing individual thought in favor of the collective.  Stand out and get nailed down.  It, like many a beast before it, specializes in usurping the fruits of creative types in order to continue on it's rapacious path, growing ever more ravenous.  None dare questioning a malignant status quo.


They don't call it the interNET or world wide WEB for nothing.


Peace,


Mitch



http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2068602/denver_airport_conspiracy_theory_a_documentary_part_1/


P.S.  Show of hands....who here thinks that free energy will save you from the likes of the evil bastards usurping the earth, that require god like allegiance from their victims?  Who here has hailed a 'worshipful master' in their local area? 


"Those who don't stand for something, will usually fall for anything."  Gentlemen, It's time to quit sitting in fear, huddled around the free energy campfire, stand and turn around to face the wolves watching you nearby in the darkness.  Wake up, free energy is not your savior, neither will it save those having already been exploiting if for years now, after paying off or knocking off honest, well motivated researchers just like many of you here.



TS


Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: nightlife on November 29, 2008, 02:59:53 AM
This forum is just fine the way it is set up. The only thing that really needs to be done is to have it monitored better. The name calling is getting out of hand as are the trolls.

 I enjoy reading what everyone has to say as well as what their ideas are because that gives me more ideas and the more ideas we have, the better the chance we will have to accomplishing what we are all here for.

 The belittling for ideas is wrong but at the same time I feel that respectful criticism is good as long as a reasonable reason is given to justify the criticism.

 Stefan, you must start putting your foot down and stop all the BS. You are the man and you need to start acting like it. The more respectful you keep this forum, the more people you will get and or keep as members. The more members we have posting ideas, the more of a chance we will have to accomplish our goal. Even we so called idiots can contribute even if we personally don’t because off the wall suggestions can lead others to think of other ways that may not be thought of before.

 This is a forum dedicated to helping all and I am starting to see a lot of the opposite and that gets frustrating and frustration leads to giving up. Keep that in mind the next time you read a comment that is personally attacking another because of a idea they posted.

 We are all adults here, lets start acting like it.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: FreeEnergy on November 29, 2008, 09:53:58 PM
whatever you do keep this forum free for all to post and read even if it means a ton of advertisement that comes with it.


Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: hartiberlin on November 30, 2008, 01:36:29 AM
Well, yes, I removed now the poll,
as I have seen, what you all want.

I will keep it simple and have:


1. I will introduce a membership fee for instance 3 US$ per month
and put the people who pay this membership fee into a new member-group,
who will not see any ads , so the forum will load much faster for them.
Also they get the option to lock up their own threads and thus disable
other users to post offtopic annoying things to it.
Also they will have some more options than standrad non paying members,
which I will still announce.


2. The other members,who would not pay any membership fees would
still see OverUnity.com with ads and it will thus load slower for them
and they don´t have the options to lock/unlock their own threads
but still could see all the boards and also post to the unlocked
threads.

So there will be always free access to the main forum also in the
future, but only with ads.


Many thanks for loyal support.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Please don´t post tricks how to get the forum without ads with some
addon software. Surely there are free solutions for this, but the real no-ads membergroup
will still have some benefits for you.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2008, 03:00:32 AM
@ Stefan:

Excellent!  I like these ideas.  Thanks for taking the poll to see what folks want.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: nightlife on November 30, 2008, 03:45:42 AM
 Stefan, are you saying that there will be a separate forum for members only? Meaning that we can not post and or partake in conversations on that forum unless we are a paid member?
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2008, 05:38:29 AM
@ nightlife:  (Quote from Stefan below)

"2. The other members,who would not pay any membership fees would
still see OverUnity.com with ads and it will thus load slower for them
and they don´t have the options to lock/unlock their own threads
but still could see all the boards and also post to the unlocked
threads.

So there will be always free access to the main forum also in the
future, but only with ads."

I think he is saying that anyone could still read and post to unlocked topics.  The free part would just still have the ads.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: nightlife on November 30, 2008, 06:41:37 AM
Bill, it sounds to me like paid members will be allowed to lock their own threads so that only they and those of their choosing can post replies in them.

 If thats the case, I might as well start looking for a new forum to partake in becuase no one here is going to want my idiotic questions and or ideas posted on their threads.

 How can I learn anything if I cant ask questions and or learn from what others say about my idiotic ideas?
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2008, 06:57:08 AM
@ nightlife:

We will have to have Stefan answer that I guess.  I thought, at least the way it is now, once a topic is locked, no one can post there.  I just thought Stefan was going to give the paid members the ability to lock and unlock their own topics.  I don't see how the software would allow you to lock me out, but not some other guy but again, I really don't know.  I just think it would be nice for the author of a topic to be able to moderate it so as to stop flames and keep somewhat on the subject.  Personally, if the authors could have the ability to lock out certain folks that act disruptive on a topic, that would be cool too.  Trust me, I post some pretty dumb questions from time to time and I have found that, if one is respectful, you generally get treated ok. (not always of course.)  For the most part, I have received a good deal of help from many on here, which is how I learn.

We will see what Stefan says about your question.  If it were my forum, honestly, I don't know exactly what I would do.

whatever you do, stick around, I think you have some very good ideas.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: 4Tesla on November 30, 2008, 07:05:54 AM
Bill, it sounds to me like paid members will be allowed to lock their own threads so that only they and those of their choosing can post replies in them.

 If thats the case, I might as well start looking for a new forum to partake in becuase no one here is going to want my idiotic questions and or ideas posted on their threads.

 How can I learn anything if I cant ask questions and or learn from what others say about my idiotic ideas?

I don't think you need to worry.. anyone that locks others out will be seen as selfish jerks.. who wants to be a jerk?  Also I think that the threads will be locked for all or unlocked for all.. not just locked for non-paying members.

Jason
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: hartiberlin on November 30, 2008, 07:29:10 AM
Bill, it sounds to me like paid members will be allowed to lock their own threads so that only they and those of their choosing can post replies in them.

 If thats the case, I might as well start looking for a new forum to partake in becuase no one here is going to want my idiotic questions and or ideas posted on their threads.

 How can I learn anything if I cant ask questions and or learn from what others say about my idiotic ideas?

You can still open up your own thread about the same topic and ask the question there and refer to the
locked topic. As you started this topic, no other user can lock up this topic.

I guess this would be the best method to do it.
Then you can keep open your own topic-thread, so others can post there their views about this.

So this saves the original poster of the original thread, that his own thread is NOT cluttered
by newbies or trolls and some others , who wish to comment still can open up a "discussion"-thread about it,
if they wish so and
let comments being posted there on it.

When the paid membership will be implemented I will also have much more time to
care about the forum and do it as a full time job and moderate much more,
so it will all get better.
I only see this one solution to get the forum running much better.
Also then I can put it onto a faster server and add many more features.
Maybe there will also be some feature to pay members for their work over here,
when they post some great articles and good documentation of their work.

I will have to see, how many members will go for the paid membership and
will support this...

All this will be hopefully done in January when I also switch to SMF 2.x forum software
and I will add a few new domain names with more alternative energy content sources.

I just registered 18 new energy related domain names for it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
Post by: TechStuf on November 30, 2008, 10:28:48 PM


Quote
don't think you need to worry.. anyone that locks others out will be seen as selfish jerks.. who wants to be a jerk?  Also I think that the threads will be locked for all or unlocked for all.. not just locked for non-paying members.

A noble concept, on the face of it. Yet of course, applying the same reasoning to a local fitness club, or even one's own front door, are accepted as logical.  Assuming the Swiss Testatika is real, is that group a bunch of jerks for the choices they've made?  Who am I to judge.....

What some of you still seem to fail be able to grasp, is that the internet is not the open, free for all playground you seem to think it is.  Censorship takes place everyday on a grand scale. Those who think free energy truly has a chance of causing the cancerous coven in control of most armies of the world, to lay down it's arms and relinquish command of energy resources, one of the greatest lynchpins of societal control, are sadly mistaken.  You will at best, succeed in forming a small band of believers out in the boonies. 

No.  If I were any one of you gentlemen, upon witnessing truly free energy being allowed to propagate on the internet, I'd make sure I wasn't standing too close to a fish market in order to distinguish the smell.  TPTB have us all profiled by now....most of their chess pieces in place.  They wanted nothing more than some kind of reason for a martial law clampdown and when it didn't materialize on time, they pulled the economic plug.  Turning up the screws in order to force the showdown they so desparately salivate for...they want a revolution.  And this time, big bad mama England isn't an ocean away.

"Come out and be separate from babylon, lest you partake of the plagues I will pour out upon her".

"Be cautious as the serpent, yet harmless as doves."

"Those who take up the sword will die by it."


The false one is coming as an 'angel of light', so to speak ......and free energy, as 'miraculous' as it sounds, is not your savior, it isn't even a reasonable vehicle for true hope, as man has proven thoroughly that he only dominates his fellow man to his own injury.  Power corrupts, and free energy at this late hour, might prove to be the lead laced icing on an already toxic, synthetic cake.


Each of you, and your right to speak your mind, is worth dying for....the concept of free energy is not.   


The Grand source of truly Free and Everlasting energy will be along soon enough....for those with faith and patience.


Keep your heads about you guys,  I'm thankful I've been blessed to keep mine as long as I actually have.....though I'm sorry I didn't use it more wisely.



Blessings in Christ,



Mitch