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Offline amigo

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 02:44:20 AM »
There is an "elite" section of the board ?! Elite posters want to now remove their posts if the board is opened?!

..may I say "WTF?"

When are we going to stop these segregations among each other? Haven't we seen enough divisions throughout the history?

So, hundreds of other members are now not good enough for the dozen or so "elite" members who have access to the closed board? Is this another "I am better than you are" thing?

I find it appalling to even consider a "special" section for "special" people, and now to learn that there *actually* is a section like that here...well this is a sad day for me.

Why even bother trying to bring the Free Energy to the World when there's a small group of people here, apparently with ulterior motive, working behind the scenes on whatever agenda they might have. What other reason for secrecy?

Oh yeah, let's hear it, from the "elite" members?

Don't bother...I'm calling BULLSHIT no matter what you say because no excuse you give will be honest.

This only reminds of of those douchebags, our "leaders", that meet at Bohemian Grove every year, where they go into seclusion to "unwind" and relax away from the prying eyes of the public and debate the "fate" of the World.

AARGH !

Stefan, this is VERY disappointing and disheartening to learn...

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 02:44:20 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2008, 03:36:17 AM »
First of all I don't know where the term 'Elite' came from. It must be a label relating to rights to functions on the forum software. There is nothing Elite about the postings or the people using that label.

That label only gave people the ability to communicate without the hammering of 'that is impossible', 'you are an idiot if you think you can do that', 'that is bullshit', ' NO! You must do it MY way!', etc.

Haves and have not's? Do you really think anyone here has anything? The whole point is to create something worth sharing. This will not happen unless the usual 'noise' is filtered.

Deleting these posts? You bet! I'll be damned if you think I'll put up with people bombing me about ideas I had two years ago. I have had threats from religious zealots to people thinking they work for some government. Then there are the ones that don't read the history and blast their 'new idea' onto the forum ::) - I know - I've done it.

I've posted my opinion. You are welcome to stuff it if you don't like it.

As far as I'm concerned, if this happens, I'll be inviting a select few to a private Google/Yahoo group when I need peer review.




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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 03:37:08 AM »

Amigo,


"Come ye out and be separate, lest you be partakers in the plagues to befall babylon." - Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Chaos = anything goes.


Celebrating mediocrity guarantees a melting pot with a lid on it.  Those who attend bohemian grove are chomping at the bit for a revolution that they themselves are working toward, in order to more fully establish worldwide neo-facist-communi-zionism.  

a New Whoreld Order, that anyone can join......


Or else.


Paying to join the YMCA or to witness the efforts of dedicated alternative energy researchers for that matter, is a far cry from supporting the compromised ideals of elitist power mongers....and should be made available without prejudice to any who wish to show genuine support for the effort.  Certainly the term: "elite" or "elitist" has come to denote arrogance, even evil intent, but whose doing is that?  


Personally, I look forward to the day promised by Christ:


"They will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.” - Yeshua, Jesus Christ


But until then, even an unequal sharing of the pie is better than an equal sharing of the crumbs, no?  


Imagine a group where ALL members DO....not just WATCH and YAK.  I think every forum on the internet should have a "neophyte" grace period.  All who do not DEMONSTRATE that they've learned something within a reasonable period, move on and tax the bandwidth of a site downstream.  This is not to say that I'm against tolerance, free speech is an important right.  And who can, in good conscience, decry civil discourse no matter the subject, when it is so easy to simply avert one's gaze from the text?  Actions speak much louder than words.  Those who fear words, fear reality.  That being said, I feel even civility, as imperative as it is for unity of any kind, should not be allowed to breed entitlement.  It should be, and was in former time, naturally expected in society.  How far we have fallen.


A paid section of the forum with greater privileges and benefits available to all members who pony up an extremely reasonable positive contribution of one form or another, is neither elitist nor segregatory.


It is fair.  Wise, in fact.


Blessings in Yeshua,


TS





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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 03:37:08 AM »
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Offline icanbeatbob

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 05:09:16 AM »
Wow, it is amazing the difference of opinion here. I frequent this forum to follow the latest progress of old topics and look for new possibilities, and also do a small amount to amateurish tinkering.


I respect the offer of this site to vote on this, even if I don't like the outcome. Personally, I would pay to create a faster and less cluttered forum, but wish others to have the same access even if they have to weed through a little more than I do if they wish not to pay.

On a side note, it is not obvious to me the true agenda of this site. Overunity has nothing to do with aliens coming or others of that type of venue. It is understandable to make money to keep this sight going, but those types of discussions have it's drawbacks. I believe, and even know of one example, in which someone who visited this site ran away screaming with his hands on the side of his face after looking at the discussion board. He could have been a great resource with his success in hydrogen aided ICE.Just wish the focus was on creating a way to cleaner and cheaper fuels and anything else would be in subcategories. Not because I disagree others, but to keep the focus on the intent and bring in more who drive in the center with their personal beliefs.

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2008, 10:13:56 PM »
@Stephan & ALL

You know the real way to have an honest discussion is to know who is present in the discussion, none of this BS pseudo naming crap that goes on. Everyone in the world can find me on Google and see a picture of my home and my phone number is listed.

So lets cut to the chase, get rid of the crap by knowing WHO they are and available to the public, stop allowing the hidden posters that cause all the trouble and allow a listing of all those LURKERS.

Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2008, 11:04:26 PM »

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Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


That is a good notion.


It floors me just how long people will put up with all manner of inanity as though they've been conditioned to believe they deserve it.  Or that somehow pandering to the lowest common denominator is for the greater good.  I've heard various stories over the years, regarding various people of like mind largely withdrawing from society at large in order to foster coherent creative efforts without being trampled or gored by today's exploding goat population.  Often, with legendary results.  The Methernitha commune in Switzerland comes to mind.  


As life rushes to imitate art....in this case, the movie: Idiocracy, those who choose to separate themselves from the increasingly restless herd of willing 'goyim' in order to hold to a well proven value system that is no longer valued....


Are proving to be quite inspirational to those fortunate enough to be squeezed up against the cwhoreporate corral fence long enough to glimpse what those who've jumped it are enjoying and accomplishing.


Blessings,


TS

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 11:04:42 PM »
@Stephan & ALL

You know the real way to have an honest discussion is to know who is present in the discussion, none of this BS pseudo naming crap that goes on. Everyone in the world can find me on Google and see a picture of my home and my phone number is listed.

So lets cut to the chase, get rid of the crap by knowing WHO they are and available to the public, stop allowing the hidden posters that cause all the trouble and allow a listing of all those LURKERS.

Now do this and I will pay and I would participate, BUT I do not think this is possible..........


Dr.S.

Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.
All the others could only read.
Also the users who  could post there could be selected for instance only by invitation.

So let me know a list of users you want to have there and I can set that up this way or also for
your Stiffer-inventions board.

Many thanks.

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Offline TechStuf

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2008, 11:31:39 PM »

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Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.


I'm game.  Besides, the 'beast' knows where I am anyway.   I have nothing to hide.


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5592.20

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1794827/chemtrails_galore/


Just last night, one of their minions vandalized our family car.  They sure hate being exposed to the light of TRUTH.



Blessings in Yeshua,


Mitch

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2008, 11:37:57 PM »
@ Stefan:

I really like Dr. Stiffler's idea.  Please count me in.  I would post any experiments I do under my own name and, I would also comment on others work, and ask questions using my own name as well.  This is an excellent idea! (I wish I had thought of it)  This probably won't stop all of the crap but I believe it would cut down on it by about 95%.  This would allow the serious folks to keep up the all important information exchange that makes this site so great.  As I said, please count me in.

@ Dr. Stiffler:

Excellent idea sir.

Bill

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2008, 11:45:09 PM »
Well, I could setup a new board in the forum,
where only people,. who show their address and their picture could post.
All the others could only read.
Also the users who  could post there could be selected for instance only by invitation.

So let me know a list of users you want to have there and I can set that up this way or also for
your Stiffer-inventions board.

Many thanks.

This only leads to more segregation, division, animosity, elitism, etc, etc.

One observation I and a few others have made is that this site is largely un-moderated...ie inconsistent or no moderation at all....all due respect Stefan.

I would suggest that a forum of this size and scope can not be moderated properly by one person. I think there are a few cases where Stefan has given moderation rights to people with their own threads, which is ok, but that only scratches the surface.

Many heated debates and arguments arise because the threads are not moderated, and/or people are not following an accepted protocol for posting. For example, unsubstantiated claims should be questioned immediately if not properly presented. No biases involved, just science and logic.

Meaningless and senseless posts should be relegated to their own area of the forum and removed from any thread they inappropriately invade and disrupt.

Stefan you need more moderators period. This is nothing against you, it just can't be done by one individual. Maybe there could be one moderator per major topic, and these would be elected by the people that frequent and post in those threads under that particular topic.

The quality and management of the posts is a separate issue from the quality/useability of the site, and they should be dealt with separately.

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2008, 12:02:56 AM »
Dr. Stiffler's idea seems good on the surface, but what is going to stop someone from just picking a random name/address out of a phone book and using it?  If someone wants to disrupt things for whatever reason that's all it takes.  If they got banned all they'd have to do is pick a new name and start over.  I think most everyone will agree that the biggest problem is that a thread starts out with a topic, and within a few pages we've covered half a dozen or more topics unrelated to the original thread.  Throw in a few blowhards who are convinced they know everything (but where are their working devices?), and it becomes a pissing match to see who can run the most people off.

I think the only answer is for the author of the thread, or other designated representative, to pre-screen posts to make sure they are respectful and on-topic.  This of course is not without its own problems, but if threads were set up this way, minimal 'filtering' would actually be required on the part of the thread author, because people wouldn't bother trying to post an off-topic, disruptive, or disrespectful comment in the first place, if they knew it'd never make it through to the thread.

As an adjunct to this, there could be one or more threads where people could post whatever they like without moderators.  This would allow the people who seem bent on making fools of themselves to do so without adding inconsequential drivel to a thread's specific topic.

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2008, 12:19:04 AM »
Pre-screening is not a good idea, because the moderator would be tied to his computer all day long just authorizing posts. You won't find anyone that wants to do that for free all day.

People have to be trusted to post properly on their own, and if after they post it needs to be removed, edited, or moved to another thread, then so be it. Warnings can also be given. Eventually after enough removals and or warnings, the individual either posts properly or loses posting privileges.There is only so much that can be done to keep a thread sane when literally thousands of individuals have access to them.

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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2008, 12:25:14 AM »
Im ready to pay even much more, + donate,
The only things:
* the liers and cheaters must to be comminated !!!
* my  deleted posts about must to be restored
* lanblan4 who named me ´asshole´ because I dont believe this waterwheel fraud - you give me his full address or you decree yourself to him an penalty in value of $1000

with due respect,
khabe
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Re: OverUnity.com Membership site ?
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2008, 12:30:10 AM »
Ok, that makes sense to me why pre-screening is not a good idea.  Moderation would work better as long as the moderators had the authority to actually move posts to another topic.  What I've seen on many sites is that someone comes in and stirs things up, and before you know it there are 2-3 pages of flame wars etc. before a moderator is able to step in and put a stop to it.  By that time the people who were actually trying to talk about the original topic are so mad that the thread is dead.

Concerning paying for the site, I have no problem with it either way.  I do think that opening up the hidden topics to paid members is a horrible idea.  The people who posted in those threads did so with the implicit understanding that their posts would remain private.  I'm just the new guy here and have no access to any of these hidden topics, and as curious as I am about their content, I believe 'selling their access to the highest bidder' would be a gross breach of ethics.

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2008, 12:47:12 AM »
Perhaps the author/moderator could have the option of choosing to pre-screen or post-screen. The problems with post-screening are noted. One other problem with pre-screening is it may actually discourage people from posting simply because they might have to wait a day or more for their post to appear.

There are pros and cons to both approaches I guess.

I agree, there should not be any secret or elite threads (btw, my "elite" status only means I can lock and unlock my own thread, nothing more) on this site, and they shouldn't be one that has to be paid for.

Topic by topic moderation is one thing that could really help, provided the right individuals are offered and accept the responsibility.

In regards to the forum ads, get yourself an ad blocker and call it a day, it's as simple as that isn't it?

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