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Author Topic: Magnetic energy pump OU motor  (Read 56247 times)

Offline wings

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2009, 08:46:40 PM »
...so after establishing that this is magnetic reluctance motor type... dating from 19th century (but unable to be driven efficiently, no mosfets - at that time, so design was abbandoned till recent years)

their properties are (unlike induction):
- lentzless motor
- no back force (or any back effects) from applied load
- since efficiency of these types of motors is very high (higher then induction mot.) they again, in last 10 years, arrise in production quantity.

further (only in OU and FE development - not yet in industry !?!):
- by adding permeable magnets and established and prooven Magnetic Transistor (using change in reluctance) theory/practice
efficiency of these motors must exceed at least 100%......(many finished experimental - Hildebrand, Flynn .... motors confirms it is so and even reaching 200% - 300%)

this is where this thread will continue from:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1319.msg164396#msg164396

this experiment allso solved some questions:
nonoriented silicon iron is good material for this motor - no residual magnetism after coil is switched off (but using frq 1khz and lower is must - for now lower freq. the better)
(but even if there is residual mag. - specially build stator sequence with changed polariti of mag. transistor can reuse this magnetism....)

...due to luck of small money surplus...further development of actuall motor is on hold for some time....

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At least 175% OU see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVXAm_ONIk&feature=channel_page


some experiments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUxQHkkRSoc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nlspw1HY-w&feature=channel


Offline lancaIV

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2009, 10:50:20 PM »
Dr.Imris let convert a conventional 4 KW electric motor with his "capacitive winding concept",
then it was used/connected with the 4,8 KW(KVA) electric generator, taken away from a conventional "homedepot" internal-combustion-motor/generator-system, and tested:
input 528W and output 3375 W .

Sincerely
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Offline gyulasun

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2009, 11:47:47 PM »
Hi Lança,

Don't you know how Dr. Imris would explain the origin of the higher effective output than input?

Thanks, 
Gyula

PS   Is there any new 'baby' forming on your side?  ;)


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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2009, 02:33:55 AM »
Hello gyulasun,hello buda and pesta,

Dr. Pavel Imris probably explains the technical process in his, actually non disclosed, patent !
Publicated is only the "more common" GM(Gebrauchsmuster).

More help would be to understand the "Cornelius Lungu,capacitive winding"
+ integrated in a condensator/condenser cycle !

"Babies ?" With two legs and a "nice Vorbau"(viel Holz vor der Huettn, in bajuwaric) :  :-* ?
Actually- time out-   :'(:-[ , : strikte clausur !
Without legs and only TEC
2007:BBI  2008:BBII- 2009:BBIII: C.O.P. only 11(eleven), cause other concept.

Have a nice week
                         Lança


Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2009, 11:12:54 AM »
Hello gyulasun,hello buda and pesta,

Dr. Pavel Imris probably explains the technical process in his, actually non disclosed, patent !
Publicated is only the "more common" GM(Gebrauchsmuster).

More help would be to understand the "Cornelius Lungu,capacitive winding"
+ integrated in a condensator/condenser cycle !

"Babies ?" With two legs and a "nice Vorbau"(viel Holz vor der Huettn, in bajuwaric) :  :-* ?
Actually- time out-   :'(:-[ , : strikte clausur !
Without legs and only TEC
2007:BBI  2008:BBII- 2009:BBIII: C.O.P. only 11(eleven), cause other concept.

Have a nice week
                         Lança



This is for Tesla resonance topic. And since there are no data on actuall construction ...all of it is just impossible.

I'm more then satisfied with Magnetic Transistors COP 1.8 - 3 times and looped.... ;D

Wiz

Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2009, 01:51:56 PM »
Hi all !

thinking of simplest and least expensive ways of quick building and getting results I came up with this:

as I announced before
Mechanicall Magnetic transistor or M-MEP

(magnets are drawn as such (mostly 2 magnets - in "series") cause I have exact those)

thickness of laminated core is important and it needs to be balanced so magnet in stator with lenz will repel magnet on rotor
if thickness of main core is not balanced (too thick) additional drive coil is needed for driving rotor and connected in series with output coil - again no E inputs.

machine needs to be rotated by hand first to start and generate voltage high enough to triger some zener-thyrstor combination.(or using comparators for various RPM-s and voltages)

no input just two outputs - although one should be used  (electricall) if not used machine stops.

it is very simmilar to this but came independently (from other think point)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7241.0;topicseen
(or not - he is not using additional magnet on drive coil.....)

wiz

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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2009, 12:17:00 PM »
Hi all !

I just brain stormed how to make Hildebrand type Stator, and Rotor and all laminated
and all from exsistant parts used for E I trafo cores. ;) (without using CNC machines)

now motor can be build properly and cheaply.

if interested i can describe further.

(...hope they would not forbid production of silicon iron sheets now.. :-\....then We'll be forced to invite forces of vaccuum....)

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2009, 01:22:14 PM »
Hi Wiz,

Very interesting setup you have drawn above, thanks for sharing. 

I think the critical phase of the operation comes when  -after the voltage maximum- you draw current from the coil and you expect the field thus created will be enough to help the rotor magnet escape from between the main cores. 

The field needed for helping escape the rotor should reach a certain minimum strenght so that the rotor could surely move further on,  this needs a certain amount of load on the output to be always present, is not it so?   Of course this would not be a problem in itself... :)

There is one more thing I would like to mention:  the flux change you can use for inducing output is in fact not higher than the rotor magnet can cause by its coming and leaving movement.  This is because the stator magnet makes a static field in the core, and to this static field the change comes from the rotor magnets' flux, ok?

I will try to think about this setup further on, if any improvement occures to me I will post it.

If you feel like describing the new motor I would be curious.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2009, 02:11:39 PM »
Hi !
   
    I agree that lentz alone even current extracted maximum is insufficient for repel, but it is not stretched at all to expect
that generated lentz's counter flux will reroute part of static field of PM to rotor and make repel action.
(by prooven effect of magnetic resistance increase in coils core)

(coil's core can have an airgap inside to balance magnetic resistances.)

...but this setup needs to be made differently (rotor) to be mechanically strong enough since magnets are very strong
and distances to stator are supposedly small..(bearings should not move left-right a bit - which is rarelyt case).

I think I'll try it while solving parts for real Magnetic Transistor Hildebrand type motor.

Wiz

Offline Ergo

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2009, 03:24:39 PM »
What is this "magnetic resistance" you are talking about?
Do you refer to inductance or what?
Magnetic resistance is not a recognised technical term.
You should avoid using your own imaginary terms if you want
people to follow your explantions and ideas.  ::)

Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2009, 03:59:41 PM »
What is this "magnetic resistance" you are talking about?
Do you refer to inductance or what?
Magnetic resistance is not a recognised technical term.
You should avoid using your own imaginary terms if you want
people to follow your explantions and ideas.  ::)

magnetic resistance = magnetic reluctance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reluctance



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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2009, 04:09:24 PM »
OK, very good, I have now learned that regular "magnetic reluctance" also goes under the name "magnetic resistance".
Please use the more widely accepted phrase reluctance in your future developments. It would makes things easier.

Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2009, 04:20:11 PM »
OK, very good, I have now learned that regular "magnetic reluctance" also goes under the name "magnetic resistance".
Please use the more widely accepted phrase reluctance in your future developments. It would makes things easier.

Yes there are many "magnetic resistance" devices (trim bikes or such) on web when actually they talk about repel action or eddy current induced by magnet to repel magnet. they describe force of repel action.

all the best

wiz

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Re: Magnetic energy pump OU motor
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2009, 09:41:58 PM »
How is you "design" proceeding?
Any news to share?  ;D