Author Topic: Joule Thief (Read 6336226 times)

Mk1 · « **Reply #9930 on:** November 19, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »

@gadget

If he is taking about the fuji circuit , i have looked and it seems that grondloop is the one that made the drawing ...

Its in the first 20 pages ...

So freezer can go ...

I have made a jt a long time ago that was the fastest cap charger i made.
The only explanation i could come up with it the weigh of the secondary(30gauge)matched the weight of the jt coil (22gauge).

Mark

innovation_station · « **Reply #9931 on:** November 19, 2009, 07:10:35 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 19, 2009, 07:00:55 PM

@Bill
Thanks For the permission . I have removed all the Pictures untie i review them and cut Out Freezers two . The thing is i don't need to but he called me a thief for "STEALING " his pictures and Displaying Them . He has a problem and Don't understand openSource at all . Who cares .

Well It's obvious that with the ultra capacitor capturing Energy from a Jt verse charging a battery is quite different . The Ucap Is storing amps that is proportional to the volts for a given farad rating . Its not COLD ELECTRICITY" It's infact enuff to hurt you and burn electrical components and wires UP!! I need someone else to test one on a goldmine 5/1 toroid using 11 turns Bi . Not to mention all the excess energy produced from the secondary . thats and extra over the unity not accounted for running 1 watt of leds . BTW as the Bcap charged the secondary volts are increasing . the halfbright leds are now almost full bright and you cant stare at them anymore . On could argue that this is overunity as described . its a conversion of energy going on 4 sure ! heck i can now swaw out the cap to run the JT and Charge the rechargeable battery up in a few minuits to where the battery was last night . it only needs 5 1000ths of a volt to get back . and you know as well as i do that that ultracap will run that Jt for a week now at a 2 volt charge !!. Amazing . I never thought of it that way .
Next test will be tomorrow when i run the same circuit on two ultra caps and then swap em a few times and check then . but as i see it now its higher that the battery and 10,000 X the current of the battery .
Gadget

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gadgetmall · « **Reply #9932 on:** November 19, 2009, 07:32:38 PM »

thanks Gary and Thank Mark . I never took credit for those photo . I posted them just as i collected them . People know what i worked on and who made what . from now on all be Giving Credit to who made it if i can determine that

post your name on a diagram it make self explanatory . and your right Groundloop and Xee2 are one of the best electronic guys in here and i have admired there work very much. Same with everyone i know . I personally dont care as i have seen My schematics and works everywhere and i ask nothing at all .It's there for the taking . take it and run with it if you can use it . The only things i didn't post are the Pat circuits .This is where i create animosity i think .can't help it . If i can get an energy product out asap and look out for my little one then that's the price i will pay .

About your cap charger Mark .As i said this was a no frills test for ist with a plain Jane JT .It charged an ultra cap with a release of over 3000 amps short or approx 600 amps per second and if we just use milliamps them you see the potential there . I wish you had one of these monsters .I bet your upgraded Jt will do a much better job than this one . the 1500farad is more than twice this one . It runs a 3 volt filament bulb for over a week . Ok got to go a bit
take it easy guys . I'm stoked for IST . i know O U it present in this little demonstration . i just want someone else to replicate it and post also to Double confirm .

gadget

guruji · « **Reply #9933 on:** November 19, 2009, 09:55:11 PM »

Thanks Resonanceman about the diagrams. Can you please tell me about the large cap where to connect it is it there as indicated?
What are those coils flying alone? Are they connected with each other?
Thanks

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9934 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:39:23 AM »

@ist .
Experiment 1 Done . I'm disconnecting the 650fARAD CAP .Its 2.603 Volts and Hot . I don't like to fill it to maximum 2.7 The Standard 11 turn Jt with a 22 secondary ,2n2222a metal transistor has been running since 10:30 last night and its 6:30 pm now . Its volts on the battery was 1.295 and its setting pretty at 1.290 Volts still powering 1 watt worth of high power leds . This Jt i will let run for a few days Probably more like weeks . I recommend to all experimenting with single Cells AA batteries to get an EverReady rechargeable 2500 to 2800 mah battery . They are the Stuff for durability and Long life . This is the type of battery i use in My fugi Mod to get 18-24 hours of Cfl light .

l8r

Gadget

jeanna · « **Reply #9935 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:52:37 AM »

Hi Gadget,

I would like a very specific set of instructions for this jt cap collector.
I seem to frequently get the direction of diodes reversed, and it terrifies me to think I could explode a cap, or even hurt one, by putting a diode in wrong.

I COULD just reverse what ever I thought it should be, but I do not like that idea either.

So, please help by making very specific directions.
I cannot remember if you do not like to make the drawings or the pics. I think the former, but either way, I will appreciating SEEING which way those diode stripes should go.

Well, maybe I can help here:

The led is a diode.
Is the diode in parallel with the led? and then is it going the same direction?
Then where in relation to the negative on the led and the diode do I put the pos and neg of the cap. I am assuming that this big cap is supposed to be parallel with the led and the extra diode.

Thank you,

jeanna

jadaro2600 · « **Reply #9936 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:31:36 AM »

Quote from: resonanceman on November 19, 2009, 07:05:07 PM

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Could you post a picture of your setup, or do you have a video?

kooler · « **Reply #9937 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:21:34 AM »

@jeanna

that 3.25'' toroid ... have you tried more than 400 turns on it
my little transformer burned up so i am looking for a better replacement...
i saw were lidmotor lit that 10 watt cfl... but my little transformer done that well also
so i was wondering if more turns on it helped or hurt...
cuz my whole mission is do as much damage as possible with as low input as possible

jeanna · « **Reply #9938 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:55:14 AM »

Quote from: kooler on November 20, 2009, 05:21:34 AM

@jeanna

that 3.25'' toroid ... have you tried more than 400 turns on it
my little transformer burned up so i am looking for a better replacement...
i saw were lidmotor lit that 10 watt cfl... but my little transformer done that well also
so i was wondering if more turns on it helped or hurt...

I only used 240 turns on mine. And I lit a 15 watt 18 inch grow light tube.
I was using the MK1 design which required me to determine ahead of time how many turns I would end up with or I would have added more.

As it turned out I got very little voltage until I hit the ring which was at 90 ohms for me.
Lidmotor has more turns and is using the 22 ohms and 50 ohms rheostat.
I do not remember him telling us how many volts. I should ask.

I really like that rheostat part.
(My purpose was in fact, to light a fluoro tube using a hand wound toroid. And while others did this before me, I am getting to be the star. We take turns with this part. )

So, in the end, my answer is: go ahead, put on 500 turns.
Then later you can add another secondary with 500 more.
I have been playing with the way to have both secondaries stay lit at the same time, and I am sure lidmotor will be looking more at this too.
It is not really new, but it is very new for us at this time, and as you can see from his replications, it is very useful.

So... go for it.

I doubt if you will melt anything, so just do it.

jeanna

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9939 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:09:36 PM »

Quote from: jeanna on November 20, 2009, 02:52:37 AM

Hi Gadget,

I would like a very specific set of instructions for this jt cap collector.
I seem to frequently get the direction of diodes reversed, and it terrifies me to think I could explode a cap, or even hurt one, by putting a diode in wrong.

I COULD just reverse what ever I thought it should be, but I do not like that idea either.

So, please help by making very specific directions.
I cannot remember if you do not like to make the drawings or the pics. I think the former, but either way, I will appreciating SEEING which way those diode stripes should go.

Well, maybe I can help here:

The led is a diode.
Is the diode in parallel with the led? and then is it going the same direction?
Then where in relation to the negative on the led and the diode do I put the pos and neg of the cap. I am assuming that this big cap is supposed to be parallel with the led and the extra diode.

Thank you,

jeanna

Hi jeanna . your another i Appreciate and admire VERY much !

The Strip Is the Anode or positive . Its easy to remember if you think of an A in school is positive ! If you wind an 11 turn two wire jt on a goldmine 1 inch toroid and use a 2n2222a i and then wind a 22 turn secondary on the other side. i spread the windings after to cover the diameter .

I put the cathode side of my diode (no stripe) on the collector which is + power and so the stripe goes directly to the positive of the cap . the negative or emitter then goes to the negative of the cap . no led here .. the led is placed directly on the secondary . you might have to flip it the way i wound was straight forward do its polarized and no diode on the sec. I also use a 2 k resistor in series with a 10 k mini pot on the base and a 102 cap across the resistor . that's it . same this to remember which way power is applied to an led . the long leg is always positive and the short leg is negative . easy to remember .
Gadget

stprue · « **Reply #9940 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:42:50 PM »

Quote from: kooler on November 20, 2009, 05:21:34 AM

@jeanna

that 3.25'' toroid ... have you tried more than 400 turns on it
my little transformer burned up so i am looking for a better replacement...
i saw were lidmotor lit that 10 watt cfl... but my little transformer done that well also
so i was wondering if more turns on it helped or hurt...
cuz my whole mission is do as much damage as possible with as low input as possible

Hello Kooler

I made one with I believe it was 240 turns and highly tuned and was getting over 900 vDC. It can probably take more turns but I'm not sure what the saturation threashold is.

edit

Looks like Jeanna already ansewered you.

innovation_station · « **Reply #9941 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:49:57 PM »

im kind of wondering a few things ...

i have found on manny accounts my out put of my coil is much higher if i do not remove from transistor flyback ..

i also wondered the diffrance of useing a bridge rectifier ... this improves the operation of the mk style jt as it is wound to grabb both n and s magnet feilds hence how true ac is gained .. from square wave dc

so in my tests thease varry your out put a lot ... the resistance .. of the primary is no big deal ...
that i have seen

thease devices love to run at THERE NATURAL RUNNING FREQ.....

then intrupt that .. another trick ... we refer to this as ringgging the bell 2 time . ding ding ..

but truth is gadget had great luck with a BASIC JT...

so the case and point i dont think you can go wrong with this toy .. just no overchargeing the big caps ..

so i have wondered ... j mentions we all take turns ... and i wonder if once the humans go pro ..

if we maybe all share a higher level of concoussiness link that binds as one ..

there must be a structure of order ... that is laied out from the heavens ...

my job here is not only to introduce some of the advanced things but also to bring things back into ballance as for a great deal of my life i lived with out any ballance .. thinking this was true life ..
i now know i had 0 understanding of love and life and this creation ..

lets just say ill never be the same agin as will all of you ..

from what i have seen this is a gathering ground for some of the most important super soul beings of the universe .. i have herd this from a friend who knows a shawmann ... and aperently 5 spirits make a soul ... and perhaps a few souls make up a super soul being of light!

like i have said b4 it is the grand awakeing .. or graduation date ... if you like .. the disco .. all are offered there tickets ... not all tickets are collected at the door ...

this hole stage in far more than free engery ... dont get your soul being lost in the sceen... this is 1 of my main reasons for being open source ... i dont want all the money in the world ... thats the lie ... i want to be happy and to learn more of our true origins .. you can easly loose your self in money .. this i will have no part of i like what i have become .. i choose to respect what i have become ..

you all are given this opertunity ..

i hope you all make your way there ..

W

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9942 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:35:04 PM »

Quote from: innovation_station on November 20, 2009, 01:49:57 PM

im kind of wondering a few things ...

i have found on manny accounts my out put of my coil is much higher if i do not remove from transistor flyback ..

i also wondered the diffrance of useing a bridge rectifier ... this improves the operation of the mk style jt as it is wound to grabb both n and s magnet feilds hence how true ac is gained .. from square wave dc

so in my tests thease varry your out put a lot ... the resistance .. of the primary is no big deal ...
that i have seen

thease devices love to run at THERE NATURAL RUNNING FREQ.....

then intrupt that .. another trick ... we refer to this as ringgging the bell 2 time . ding ding ..

but truth is gadget had great luck with a BASIC JT...

so the case and point i dont think you can go wrong with this toy .. just no overchargeing the big caps ..

so i have wondered ... j mentions we all take turns ... and i wonder if once the humans go pro ..

if we maybe all share a higher level of concoussiness link that binds as one ..

there must be a structure of order ... that is laied out from the heavens ...

my job here is not only to introduce some of the advanced things but also to bring things back into ballance as for a great deal of my life i lived with out any ballance .. thinking this was true life ..
i now know i had 0 understanding of love and life and this creation ..

lets just say ill never be the same agin as will all of you ..

from what i have seen this is a gathering ground for some of the most important super soul beings of the universe .. i have herd this from a friend who knows a shawmann ... and aperently 5 spirits make a soul ... and perhaps a few souls make up a super soul being of light!

like i have said b4 it is the grand awakeing .. or graduation date ... if you like .. the disco .. all are offered there tickets ... not all tickets are collected at the door ...

this hole stage in far more than free engery ... dont get your soul being lost in the sceen... this is 1 of my main reasons for being open source ... i dont want all the money in the world ... thats the lie ... i want to be happy and to learn more of our true origins .. you can easly loose your self in money .. this i will have no part of i like what i have become .. i choose to respect what i have become ..

you all are given this opertunity ..

i hope you all make your way there ..

W

Good morning IST ! . Is today the day ? I have a few 3 inch torroids and got a sample coming for that big rig 140mm toroid you posted the link for .they are giving me a price list for these babies . I had to pay for the sample shipping though about 20 dollars BUT anyone can get a Ring for free is you pay shipping . i'll let you in on the pricing when i get it . They Have a minimum monthly quota for dealers so i doubt i will fill that quota and become there Affiliate .
Have a good morning and a cup of java .
today i am going to run the experiment 2 using one charged bcap and one discharged one to see how well that runs on the basic Jt setup . I bet i see ou on that as well . I let the JT run all night long and the main battery is still holding fine . it can run probably another week or more with the EverReady battery producing bright 1 watt worth of light on the secondary . current draw is a measly 11 Ma . I can adjust this higher to about 21 ma with the resistor pot cap setup i am using . This is easily repeatable and anyone can do this .I was not neat at all winding this thing nor soldering the parts together . Is Not luck just something we all knew . the JT Does amazing Things even at a standard level .

Gadget
gadget

innovation_station · « **Reply #9943 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:20:56 PM »

yes bro !

i expect today to flow better than yesterday and every day forward there of

because of your effords gadget ... this place is no longer the same as it was just 1 day ago ...

william!

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9944 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:38:53 PM »

@IST and All .
Experiment 2 : same JT as before . using a 650farad cap charged to 1.420 volts charging another 650 Farad cap to a charged state of 1.000 volts . This was to save some time and Confirm Over the unity of the run cap . Circuit adjusted to 11 ma input current . BTW an easy way to measure current in put a one ohm resistor in series with positive or negative run battery/cap lead . This way you do not interfere with the circuit operation and can accurately measure the current draw by simply putting you amp meter across the one ohm resistor .
So far the charge bcap is 1.257 and the RUN cap is 1.417 V .
i will stop the experiment when i get the charge capacitor to 1.5 volts . this will be over unity . then i will swap the run and charge Bcap and measure what i have then.. This is a very simple way of showing Over the unity (OU) Exist .Also the cap i am charging was charged to 2.6 volts from yesterday Experiment # 1 . I discharged it to 1 volt using a small Nicrome heater element which glowed brightly for 4 and a half minutes before the cap reached 1 volt . I lit a cig with it

and it was HOT!!!!!!!!! I could have tripled the Nichrome wire coil and got about 15 minutes short before i hit one volt and that my friends is pure AMPS .I may be the First one in history to actually make a heater from a Jt and a BCap . running from an aa battery

If i had High Speed i would be the first to post a Video of such a device, SOMEONE replicate this Please . below is the Diagram for the AA setup . It also puts an excess voltage out on the secondary and provides Light and Heat .I am going to improve the JT circuit with bigger torroids and more wire soon . All 1 volt system

Gadget

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