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Offline Mk1

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2805 on: February 13, 2009, 09:16:20 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 13, 2009, 09:12:11 AM
@ MK1:

That is a new record is it not?  Great job!!!


@ All:

Anyone ever heard of a Rodin coil?  here is a link to the 2nd part of a youtube video.  i have never seen a coil like this before and, as it happens, he wound it on a Fisher-price doughnut ring, the same type Jeanna suggested for our toroid casting experiments with the iron powder and glue.  Take a look and see what you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5_ShzJcW8

Bil

I would not say a record, but for 88+8 turn of 22 gauge, then yes or maybe. test battery aaa

Thanks again, but where is yours , one step at a time , you will beat that no problem !

Mark

For rodin coil a donut(the most powerful shape of the universe ) plus tetrahedron coils , that has to be worth something.

Edit . yesterday my toroid gave me 76 volt on 21 turn, today 72v on 22 , i removed a turn on the jt side , and got that 76v back.

That is all dc , i cant really see the ac .

I tried two 2n3904 linked together and got 127 volts.  If i put the led at its jt spot the pickup coil drop to 35 volts.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 10:44:51 AM by Mk1 »
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Offline Koen1

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2806 on: February 13, 2009, 01:04:18 PM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 13, 2009, 07:21:30 AM
@ General Jim:

You do know that if you can charge those huge batteries that you will be making history don't you?  We are not supposed to be able to do stuff like this. 
hmm... Really? Jim lists as maximum charge in his bigass battery 0.79V @ 6 am, with the input battery at 1.11V... Though that would at first glance
appear to add up to 1.9V which is clearly higher than the total charge at start, respectively 0.15V + 1.34V = 1.49V and thus would seem to somehow
produce 0.41V from thin air, I can't help but be reminded of the "Young effect" fiasco... Remember, where one charged cap was switched to connect with
an identical but empty cap, and the total voltage of the two caps added up was higher than the starting voltage...yet the actual energy content was lower.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here, but I am saying perhaps we should make sure that something like it is not going
on here too.

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If this could be done, the power company would already be doing it. (Yea right!)
Of course. After all, heavier than air flight is possible, and that was in use in the middle ages already. Err... Or was it? ;) ;D
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2807 on: February 13, 2009, 02:09:20 PM »
Quote from: Mk1 on February 13, 2009, 09:16:20 AM
I would not say a record, but for 88+8 turn of 22 gauge, then yes or maybe. test battery aaa

Thanks again, but where is yours , one step at a time , you will beat that no problem !

Mark

For rodin coil a donut(the most powerful shape of the universe ) plus tetrahedron coils , that has to be worth something.

Edit . yesterday my toroid gave me 76 volt on 21 turn, today 72v on 22 , i removed a turn on the jt side , and got that 76v back.

That is all dc , i cant really see the ac .

I tried two 2n3904 linked together and got 127 volts.  If i put the led at its jt spot the pickup coil drop to 35 volts.

WEll that Probably Could be beat With same Windings  just a Better gain transistor :) Now your the one who said first it was a contest and it was "on" . remember ? Anyways i googles the Big Mag amp and no information on it at all . even from Billion corp . so I have a Dc source for it and an ac Source fro My Pulse Generator . . I can Light up a 12 volt light with a signal less than 2 volts but reproducing the Frequency is another matter with out a scope . Its Just hit and Miss with a555 . I am thinking a crystal VFO .. I dont think i will Scavange it yet as there was anothe r Massive Power transformer in that Sound amp with   probably 10 or 15 pounds of wire .and 15  10 k hi res pots  and stuff ..
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@Jeanna .
 Enjoy Nature .!!!! See ya when you return. . Is your Name pronounced   G anna or Jean NA .? LUIC
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2808 on: February 13, 2009, 02:26:22 PM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 13, 2009, 07:21:30 AM

Bill       ***EDIT***  I see we have passed the 50,000 view mark!  we should all have a beer together.

Agreed! Cheers!
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2809 on: February 13, 2009, 02:49:19 PM »
@ All

Just ran across this little article where a small wind turbine is used to charge up a capacitor and power an electric toy car at
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/wind_turbine_to_1.php .

Since we can charge up caps to hundreds of volts in a small amount of time using the JT or Fuji circuits it seems to me that if a circuit like the one used in this toy car to convert the potential in the capacitor to drive a small DC motor could be used to slowly bleed off the cap back to the input side, couldn't it?  If so then the small amount of power needed to drive the JT or Fuji circuit could load many more caps if they were in parallel to the first cap, then we'd get even more energy to play with.

Anyone know of a circuit to slowly bleed off a cap at a certain voltage, say 1.5 to 12 VDC?

Anyways, just a thought.

Regards,
Paul
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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2810 on: February 13, 2009, 03:15:17 PM »
Quote from: Mk1 on February 13, 2009, 09:07:19 AM
@all

2 coil in series 122.3 volt dc , with my neon on it the voltage drops to 107.4 volts. So i got 2 times 120 volts.

I will have to buy cfl , to try it unmodified.

There is a mathematical thing called equivalency or something like that, that stated that one fraction is equivalent to another with different numbers.

It is used for many things. Lets use it to find the equivlent number of turns to get 120v.

If 4 turns bifilar with 22 turns secondary gives 72v. Then the equation to solve for 120v
would be:
22/72 = ?/120
Multiply 120 with 22 and it gives 2640
Then divide 2640 with 72 and it gives 36.67
Rounding to 37 turns

22/72v = 37/120v

So in order to get 120 volts each, you need to make the secondaries of 37 turns according to this mathematical equation.

I could be wrong though.


@general Jim

This paint composition has some of the steps you took to get success.

Jesus

Quote from: Goat on February 13, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
@ All

Just ran across this little article where a small wind turbine is used to charge up a capacitor and power an electric toy car at
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/wind_turbine_to_1.php .

Since we can charge up caps to hundreds of volts in a small amount of time using the JT or Fuji circuits it seems to me that if a circuit like the one used in this toy car to convert the potential in the capacitor to drive a small DC motor could be used to slowly bleed off the cap back to the input side, couldn't it?  If so then the small amount of power needed to drive the JT or Fuji circuit could load many more caps if they were in parallel to the first cap, then we'd get even more energy to play with.

Anyone know of a circuit to slowly bleed off a cap at a certain voltage, say 1.5 to 12 VDC?

Anyways, just a thought.

Regards,
Paul

I like that. It is a possible feedback to the source.

Jesus
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 06:20:39 PM by nievesoliveras »
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2811 on: February 13, 2009, 03:47:08 PM »
Quote from: Goat on February 13, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
@ All

Just ran across this little article where a small wind turbine is used to charge up a capacitor and power an electric toy car at
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/wind_turbine_to_1.php .

Since we can charge up caps to hundreds of volts in a small amount of time using the JT or Fuji circuits it seems to me that if a circuit like the one used in this toy car to convert the potential in the capacitor to drive a small DC motor could be used to slowly bleed off the cap back to the input side, couldn't it?  If so then the small amount of power needed to drive the JT or Fuji circuit could load many more caps if they were in parallel to the first cap, then we'd get even more energy to play with.

Anyone know of a circuit to slowly bleed off a cap at a certain voltage, say 1.5 to 12 VDC?

Anyways, just a thought.

Regards,
Paul
Yea thats a thought . only think comes to mind would be a voltage regulator and change the energy to mechanical  say with one of those tiny Pager Motors fitted with a N S magnet then coil it to produce the back feed rectified to the source . :) they run off the JT . i tried it . Also there are even more efficient motors that make the tiny pager motor look like a giant . Have you seen the tiny motors on those little helicopters you fly in the house . extremely powerful and very tiny . perfect
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2812 on: February 13, 2009, 04:30:36 PM »
i built my super tiny jt with my crab eyes .. lol

they are the smallest toroides i have ever seen ..  they mesure bout 3/16 of an "  outside mesurement ....     i have not ran it yet but i will     

 ill post a pic ... 

ist!
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2813 on: February 13, 2009, 04:49:51 PM »
@all
My Big Torid seems to be working its little heart out charging up the big 1.2v Nicad battery, I noticed it was having a really hard time of it after a while, about a hour ago I grabbed a couple of heavy duty leads, and clamped Red at Pos on the big Batt, cliped red to torid.
Cliped big clamp to big batt, clipped other end to tiny AA batt neg terminal.

Well, ohhhh my, surprise surprise, the AAbatt was reading 1.10 volts, and it began to climb up to 1.25volts, QUICKLY.
The big batt began to climb up QUICKLY.

Now I don't know whats going on here, I'm tooooooooooo tired to even think about this right now, in the morning I will see whats going on here, tidy up the wires, 1 at a time, then do a TWV on this.

@ Koen1,
JT charging up batt, dont know sir koen1, dont even know if my eyes are playing tricks on me lol.

@ Jesus,
Nice work on my pics, on the one which has a reference to the BD140 transister, could you remove just (BD140) its a pnp device, not NPN. ta

@ Jeanna, where can we find a "resin rat" lol, now where can I put my hands on some iron filings, mabe a machine shop in town!

@ Mk1,
Congrats on getting all that juice out of your JT, excellent work.

@ Bill,
I found a pdf on the rodin coil, how to make it using a electric drill, nice work this, gota find a 4" crystal or make my own.

HooRoo all

GJ
 
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2814 on: February 13, 2009, 05:41:22 PM »
i think it is time to ramp this up a wee bit .... 


as my investor now tells me i never showed any proof .....  lol

is it my fault he cannot grasp it .....   

no!!

so be it ....   what a waste of time ......   

give them 20 videos ....  and they say you have nothing lol!!!!!!

i say they suck ....  lol

shall we prove it !?!?!?!?!?!?!

ist!

i just so happin to have 1 of thease laying around yep a real old one  ;)

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2815 on: February 13, 2009, 06:18:59 PM »
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2816 on: February 13, 2009, 06:30:47 PM »
Quote from: electricme on February 13, 2009, 04:49:51 PM
@all
My Big Torid seems to be working its little heart out charging up the big 1.2v Nicad battery, I noticed it was having a really hard time of it after a while, about a hour ago I grabbed a couple of heavy duty leads, and clamped Red at Pos on the big Batt, cliped red to torid.
Cliped big clamp to big batt, clipped other end to tiny AA batt neg terminal.

Well, ohhhh my, surprise surprise, the AAbatt was reading 1.10 volts, and it began to climb up to 1.25volts, QUICKLY.
The big batt began to climb up QUICKLY.

Now I don't know whats going on here, I'm tooooooooooo tired to even think about this right now, in the morning I will see whats going on here, tidy up the wires, 1 at a time, then do a TWV on this.

@ Koen1,
JT charging up batt, dont know sir koen1, dont even know if my eyes are playing tricks on me lol.

@ Jesus,
Nice work on my pics, on the one which has a reference to the BD140 transister, could you remove just (BD140) its a pnp device, not NPN. ta

@ Jeanna, where can we find a "resin rat" lol, now where can I put my hands on some iron filings, mabe a machine shop in town!

@ Mk1,
Congrats on getting all that juice out of your JT, excellent work.

@ Bill,
I found a pdf on the rodin coil, how to make it using a electric drill, nice work this, gota find a 4" crystal or make my own.

HooRoo all

GJ
 

The change has been made.

You can get ferrite from a sandbox. Wrap a big neo or other powerful magnet with a plastic bag, so the magnet does not get dirty with iron ferrite fillings, and drag and bury the magnet on the sand box with the plastic on and you will collect pure iron ferrite. Keep playing on the sandbox with the magnet and scrapping the ferrite from the plastic till you have the amount you need.
This is done with the coils for a wind mill. After the ferrite is collected they mix it with glue and pour it onto the coil center  as a ferrite core.

Jesus
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2817 on: February 13, 2009, 06:32:23 PM »
Quote from: gadgetmall on February 13, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
i think ive found a way to back feed using the Jeanna Method . More test but it is rising in voltage in the last hour and the holding reservoir is 3 volts . I have not drawn up a Schematic  yet but i can tell you it involves somthing i call the rainbow effect :).

I can help you with the schematic.

@pirate

There is a post on this link that has the rodin coil as a joule thief. I did not post it here because when I posted the rodin toroid link nobody paid attention to it, so I decided to post it on the rodin topic.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6728.msg155934#msg155934

Jesus
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2818 on: February 13, 2009, 06:36:40 PM »
  A battery has alot of internal resistance in it.   I was wondering if the jt power would be boosted if there is run in parallel to the battery a capacitor.  I think the capacitor could supply alot of faster energy flux to drive the jt.
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #2819 on: February 13, 2009, 06:43:27 PM »
Quote from: sparks on February 13, 2009, 06:36:40 PM
  A battery has alot of internal resistance in it.   I was wondering if the jt power would be boosted if there is run in parallel to the battery a capacitor.  I think the capacitor could supply alot of faster energy flux to drive the jt.

Exactly that was what I did with my coil cable from discarded phone charger toroid configuration.

Jesus
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