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innovation_station

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2008, 06:54:44 AM »
i feel i have a constructive post...

as was explained above...  could  this be a result  of a magnetic feed back loop  with Gian   caused from the location and orientation of the flyback coil that is unshielded  and the tube that is also in close area of the flyback Fields... 

could it be  that the tube sucked up the magnetic energy and amped it

if a tube will transmitt it will also receive...  maybe the tv operates at the right freqs..   and the gain caused this effect

no?

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2008, 07:33:00 AM »
This site has some interesting experiments along these lines.

http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic001.htm

http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic002.htm

Perhaps disconnect the yoke from the board of the TV or monitor and drive with the stereo amp / generator combo and experiment with various modulations. With 90 degree phase shift you will get a circle drawn on the face of the CRT. Other modulations will yield spirals etc.

Drawing showing two yokes and pictures are from the Falaco site. Two yokes are not necessary, just drive the horizontal and vertical windings from channels one and two respectively.

Note that the circle shown is the very different vector scan as opposed to producing the same image using raster scan in the normal sweep systems. This is the real path of the electron beam.

Extreme care should be exercised if performing this experiment....maybe from a distance.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2008, 08:00:32 AM by HEYDUDE »

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2008, 02:54:05 PM »
If the leaking tube is creating xrays and is ionizing air molecules with water vapor in it we start to get all sorts of ionized gas building up inside the cabinet.  The crt is up around 30kv and will have a tendency to accelerate free electrons as they are emitted from the air and or water vapor via action of the xray leakage outside of the tube.  The tube gun is creating a spiraling magnetic current already.  Now this spiraling magnetic current starts to initiate spin to the ion field accumulating around the outside of the tube.
Now this could have been going on for hours.  This spinning ionized gas with an electron current that both confines the gas and adds to it's spin is storing one shitload of energy in the space surrounding the crt.  At some point the spin field becomes so positively charged that it diverts the electron beam towards it's core.  The glass melts and the implosion of the tube screws up the ion circulation and the magnetic field this thing has been building up for hours suddenly collapses as the spinning plasma falls apart on implosion of the tube.  Maybe?

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2008, 02:58:51 PM »
If the leaking tube is creating xrays and is ionizing air molecules with water vapor in it we start to get all sorts of ionized gas building up inside the cabinet.  The crt is up around 30kv and will have a tendency to accelerate free electrons as they are emitted from the air and or water vapor via action of the xray leakage outside of the tube.  The tube gun is creating a spiraling magnetic current already.  Now this spiraling magnetic current starts to initiate spin to the ion field accumulating around the outside of the tube.
Now this could have been going on for hours.  This spinning ionized gas with an electron current that both confines the gas and adds to it's spin is storing one shitload of energy in the space surrounding the crt.  At some point the spin field becomes so positively charged that it diverts the electron beam towards it's core.  The glass melts and the implosion of the tube screws up the ion circulation and the magnetic field this thing has been building up for hours suddenly collapses as the spinning plasma falls apart on implosion of the tube.  Maybe?  You be careful heydude.   Definitely get yourself a compass to checkout how big a magfield is building up.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2008, 03:48:19 PM »
From Wikipedia the following was pasted (searchword: CRT) If interested, read the whole article.

Permanent magnets (the ion trap) deflect the lighter electrons so that they strike the screen. Some very old TV sets without an ion trap show browning of the center of the screen, known as ion burn. The aluminum coating used in later CRTs reduced the need for an ion trap.

The outer glass allows the light generated by the phosphor out of the monitor, but (for color tubes) it must block dangerous X-rays generated by high energy electrons impacting the inside of the CRT face. For this reason, the glass is leaded. Color tubes require significantly higher anode voltages than monochrome tubes (as high as 32,000 volts in large tubes), partly to compensate for the blockage of some electrons by the aperture mask or grille; the amount of X-rays produced increases with voltage. Because of leaded glass, other shielding, and protective circuits designed to prevent the anode voltage from rising too high in case of malfunction, the X-ray emission of modern CRTs is well within approved safety limits.

The high voltage (EHT) used for accelerating the electrons is provided by a transformer. For CRTs used in televisions, this is usually a flyback transformer that steps up the line (horizontal) deflection supply to as much as 32,000 volts for a color tube, although monochrome tubes and specialty CRTs may operate at much lower voltages. The output of the transformer is rectified and the pulsating output voltage is smoothed by a capacitor formed by the tube itself (the accelerating anode being one plate, the glass being the dielectric, and the grounded (earthed) Aquadag coating on the outside of the tube being the other plate). Before all-glass tubes, the structure between the screen and the electron gun was made from a heavy metal cone which served as the accelerating anode. Smoothing of the EHT was then done with a high voltage capacitor, external to the tube itself. In the earliest televisions, before the invention of the flyback transformer design, a linear high-voltage supply was used; because these supplies were capable of delivering much more current at their high voltage than flyback high voltage systems – in the case of an accident they proved extremely dangerous. The flyback circuit design addressed this: in the case of a fault, the flyback system delivers relatively little current, improving a person's chance of surviving a direct shock from the high voltage anode.

CRTs can emit a small amount of X-ray radiation as a result of the electron beam's bombardment of the shadow mask/aperture grille and phosphors. The amount of radiation escaping the front of the monitor is widely considered unharmful.

Early color television receivers (many of which are now highly collectible, see CT-100) were especially vulnerable due to primitive high-voltage regulation systems. X-ray production is generally negligible in black-and-white sets (due to low acceleration voltage and beam current), and in virtually every color display since the late 1960s, when systems were added to shut down the horizontal deflection system (and therefore high voltage supply) should regulation of the acceleration voltage fail.

CRTs may emit low levels of beta radiation which can be detectable by sensitive Geiger counter. It does not come from accelerated electrons in the tube but from radioactive isotopes. Source of this type of radioactivity is mainly Zirconium or other isotopes sometimes used in glass or mask production.

A high vacuum exists within all CRT monitors. If the outer glass envelope is damaged, a dangerous implosion may occur. Due to the power of the implosion, glass may explode outwards. This shrapnel can travel at dangerous and potentially fatal velocities. While modern CRT used in televisions and computer displays have epoxy-bonded face-plates or other measures to prevent shattering of the envelope, CRTs removed from equipment must be handled carefully to avoid personal injury.

Note: As stated in the very first post, I tend to believe all the action took place inside the picture tube, was caused by magnetic strirring of a plasma, ignited by the electron beam and the high voltages.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2008, 07:26:10 PM »
One picture tells more than thousand word..
With a nested, cylindrical EM fields, the idea is to collect and compress the charged particles from the environment. There must be a prime number of waves ( 3, 5, 7, 11..etc ), that are rotating in a circle, because this dos not allow the subharmonic frequensies to develop inside the innerst cylindrical "tube". Now, when phase changes in a EM cylindrical wall, the charged particle will move towards the next more positive wall, that occurs in a next inner wall, if the charged particle has a negative charge.
In a case of TV, there are 3 electron beams ( R,G,B ), that can travel in a circle form. If a TV picture contains at least three nested, white circles, the system can suck energy from the environment, if the screen radiation shield is not good. One way to test this is to cut a hole to CRT tube, that allows the nested cylindrical and conical shaped electron beam to enter free into environment. 

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This site has some interesting experiments along these lines.

http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic001.htm

http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic002.htm

Perhaps disconnect the yoke from the board of the TV or monitor and drive with the stereo amp / generator combo and experiment with various modulations. With 90 degree phase shift you will get a circle drawn on the face of the CRT. Other modulations will yield spirals etc.

Drawing showing two yokes and pictures are from the Falaco site. Two yokes are not necessary, just drive the horizontal and vertical windings from channels one and two respectively.

Note that the circle shown is the very different vector scan as opposed to producing the same image using raster scan in the normal sweep systems. This is the real path of the electron beam.

Extreme care should be exercised if performing this experiment....maybe from a distance.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2008, 08:45:00 PM »
    Magnetically confined spinning plasma field.  That sounds like the surface of the sun.  No wonder the corona is hotter it's feeding the surface zpe energy which is getting cooled by the magnetic field and the contraction of space at the core of the big plasma ball.  Fusion my ass it's just condensation of space.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2008, 01:35:52 AM »
Really good posts..

I would hope that there are many who are brave and disciplined  enough to  work with a  28 kv electrostatic field surrounding their experiments.

It one place that very few have gone
I want to thank heydude, though nameless and cheeky, has given some new direction to the information provided by the current inventor. A few months ago he posted a picture of his bench setup.

He is one the better equipped here 

Another gem, I believe is " current from different sources can travel in the same wire independant of each other like tesla said" makes me think of a transformer short in this threads context.

I never liked jigsaw puzzles but this one is different.....solved or not

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2008, 09:39:29 AM »
     Plasma layering from an electrode 30kv above ground in picture below.  At 30kv electrons are accelerated at speeds whereby their inertial gain is enough to strip them from the atomic field.  What effects can we expect from this selfconfined plasma?.  The inertial gain of the electrons comes at what expense of the input energy in this type of plasmic current?  Or do we have a mass to energy event here?  



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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2008, 07:14:03 PM »
Chapters X and XI of Smith's "The New Science" appear to offer some sort of possible explanation to the exploding TV:

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm

In chapter X he talks about packing of energy and precipitating energy out of the cosmic background.

In chappter XI he states:

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"However, if another aggregate of similar precession enters the vicinity, such cancellation can no longer be approximated, and the skew field induces an electric field within this aggregate which amounts to an electric field distortion or "polarization". A convenient way of discussing what happens is to consider the skew fields and the polarization in terms of electric "charges" even though this concept is not strictly correct.

If the primary aggregate is considered to have a charge which induces the polarization in the secondary aggregate, this polarization will be equivalent to a charge displacement such that the product of the displaced charges and the distance through which they are displaced will be a statement of the amount of polarization. This will be located in the electric field of the primary aggregate and will have two forces acting which will be numerically equal; one maintaining the polarization and the other between the polarization and the primary field. Therefore, the net force will be the product of the primary field divergence and the square of the polarization in the secondary aggregate. There are of course other ways of establishing this relationship but they all say the same thing in other words, which is that Gravity is a dynamic field function and is the product of the gravitational field divergence and the square of the polarization induced in the attracted bit of matter, with the gravitational field being merely the skew electric field. "


I don't understand it yet, but this somehow explains how that TV could pull nails out walls and attract other conductive objects.

Anyone out there, with a higher level of understanding than myself, that can explain this via reply post of PM?

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2008, 07:56:47 PM »
"Either this actually happened or someone has a very active imagination."


This reminds me of all the tales I used to read in UFO magazines in the 1970's, and is equally implausible.

Of course, Steven Mark provides no names or details to back up his tall tale.

One angle that did catch my attention - how many people living in apartments in Chicago in 1965 could afford color TV's?

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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2008, 10:33:10 PM »
Blindness cannot be experienced by a blind person.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2008, 11:11:07 PM »
If 1965 was the watershed moment for color broadcasting, there was still the small problem of the viewing public not having color television sets. According to NBC, there were only 2,860,000 color households in the United States as of January 1st, 1965 (though that was up from 1,620,000 on January 1st, 1964) [25]. By July 1st, the number stood at 3,600,000 and on October 1st it was at 4,450,000 color sets [26], [27]. NBC's figure for January 1st, 1966 stood at 5,220,000, an 85% gain over the January 1st, 1965 number but still only 9.7% of all television households [28].

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2008, 12:07:25 AM »

I have seen some very strange faults on tv's during the 15 years i was a bench engineer, one of the best was a matsui tv in the early 90's, we were getting these come in with the tube neck broken clean off and sitting in the bottom of the cabinet still atached to the yoke coils, when a new tube was fitted and a whole series of check carried out the tv's would function properly again, normaly a psu regulation kit was fitted and also a frame output chip which always failed during internal flash over of the tube cathodes.

One day i had one of these on the bench and i was looking for an intermittent frame fault and suspected dry joints but first i wanted to check the frame chip wasn't temperature sensitive so i frooze it with freezer spray, all seemed to go well, shortly after that with my hands inside the tv chassis a spark shot right around the aquadaq wound itself around the tube neck and entered the yoke coils, the spark was blueish white i nearly had a heart attack, the next thing i know is that the tube neck was sitting on the bottom of the cabinet. The spark always sticks in my mind it was provavly the largest spark i have ever seen maybe 2 feet long in all and it certainly didn't come from the loptx, within a few months the tv was withdrawn from sale by the manufacturer and never seen again.

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Re: TALE OF THE IMPLODING TV
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2008, 04:25:13 AM »
that spark sounds like a electrostatic action  ;)

i have had a few in playing with a few of my early rings.... the reason i had thease sparks ....   in my rings mind  you they were only a few inches...

in my early rings i used used wire recovered from old transformers... and in some cases i soldered a wire to it to make it longer this solder joint was the culprit  of where this spark came from and it arced to my finger ... it is electrostatics in this case i mention ...  i know how a static zap feels it is much diffrent than a hemf zap  ;D  agin hemf is much diffrent a zap than the wall aswell  ;)

but every zap you get  brings you closer to finding the source....  ;D

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play safe and for  safety .....  use common sence...  and  stick to low voltage....  till you feel safe.... from there you can then step it up a notch :)