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Offline supermuble

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2008, 08:44:07 PM »
That last link you posted is great! There is a tremendous amount of research at this site: http://histor.ws/dmag/teil01.htm

There are lots of very clear photos and design information for generators. Of course, when reading, we always have to imagine alternative configurations.

The German website appeared to simply show a magneto and on the other website, a gravity wheel of some type. I didn't see any free electricity device?

I searched for the person you spoke about, who was in Switzerland. I could not find any information in English. I did find an article in .PDF format, but it was all in German.  I have no idea if this is the right link, but here is the only thing that looked like it might be the same guy. http://www.borderlands.de/net_pdf/NET0907S4-12.pdf





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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2008, 08:45:34 PM »
Please correct me where I am wrong.  ??? 

This is my current understanding of creating free electricity:

Why you can create free conventional electricity with ordinary materials:

1. Moving magnetic fields create electrical current. Magnetic fields have less than no physical mass (no weight).

2. It does not consume energy to move something that has no physical mass.

3. Voltage creates a magnetic field. Amperage is not necessary since it takes very little energy to create a magnetic field.

4. Faraday's law of induction says that the strength of the magnetic field, the direction of the magnetic field and the rate of change determines the amount of current induced in a coil of a wire.

5. If you position any moving magnet paralell to a coil of wire, then the rate of change can be increased for free since there is no Lenz's law. For example, increasing the frequency of a primary winding has no cost associated with it, if the secondary coil cannot induce Lenz's drag on the first coil. (See Thane Heinz transformer). In this example, frequency increases will increase the power output for free.

6. If you have a generator that has no magnetic drag (Lenz's law), the speed of the rotor can be increased with very little input energy. For example, if you double the speed of the spinning rotor, you may consume 10% more power. However, If you double the speed of the moving magnetic rotor, you will have double the voltage and double the output power. That is a 100% increase in output power with only a small 10% increase in input power.

7. Without Lenz's law, a spinning magnetic rotor in a generator has no drag whatsoever, except those associated with air turbulence and mechanical losses in the bearings.

8. Without Lenz's law, it is true, that you often produce much less electrical current in a given coil of wire. However, since the "rate of change" or frequency of the system can be increased for free, and since the rate of change increases current, then it stands to reason that machine speeds can be increased to make up the difference.

9. An inductor at high frequency usually flows less current. High frequency induction creates more electricity in a secondary coil. If you remove Lenz's law, there is an inverse relationship between primary input power and secondary output power. In other words, as machine speeds, or frequencies increase, so does efficiency.

10. According to Faraday's laws of induction, you can create more electricity in a given coil of wire than is required to create a magnetic field that created it - so long as their is no Lenz's law. The only requirement is that the rate of change, either RPMS or frequency, must be increased to the point where induced current exceeds the input energy.


With the help of some experts in this field, we can create a name for these guidelines. Perhaps we can call this overall principle the FLUX SPEED LAW. "In a given system that does not exhibit Lenz's law, the magnetic flux speed can be increased until secondary output current equals or exceeds that of the primary."



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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2008, 09:11:43 PM »
 @Supermumble


    If the change in the core of the output coil comes in the form of a magnetic wave then we are getting Lenz law to work but who cares it doesn't effect the initiator of the wave this puts Lenz on our side of the fence.

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2008, 10:20:03 PM »
this autor is member here, last year he was very busy
but unfortunatly, must folk coudnt follow his ideas.
I ave often phoned via skype with him.
possibly he will return if he follow still as reader all
the time. He is American , and stay longer in Germany
afte his US military time wasfinished.
EM

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2008, 10:54:31 PM »
Hi folks, just wanted to mention Ive never read Garry stanley mention he didnt obtain results with the 6 magnet/stator layout and ive looked through all posts i could find and ive built the same motor which is by far the best running motor ive built to date and have built many. Where is Garry Stanley anyway, what happened to him.

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Offline Nali2001

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2008, 12:51:52 AM »
Its the other way around:
The only thing that 'makes' the magnetic field in a coil is the amperage, volts are just there to overcome the ohmic resistance and stuff and to get the amps flowing.

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Something else you can wonder about.
Take a 2000watt microwave oven transformer.
Look at the big heavy primary coil. And connect a variable dc power supply to it and set it to say 5 volt. Now you probably will be putting in a watt or 10 maybe. Thing is that at that watt level the core is saturated as hell. It takes nothing in dc to saturate a core. (I have saturated half mot cores with only 2 watt dc.) So that means that only 10watt will create a magnetic field that is above the maximum field strength the core can support. Now... look at the situation in ac:
You see the transformer is rated for 2000watt. Now you think, if the core already saturates at 10watt dc how can it work efficient in 2000watt ac?
Main thing to remember is that at 2000watt the magnetic level is not more then what was created with that 10watt dc. So also in a transformer, if you could do away with back emf then you can run that 2000watt power level from a 10watt source.

Same with a multi megawatt generator that supplies several cities, These thing have electro magnets. Now these electro magnets require probably only 100watt dc input. So in a sense you can say that these multi mega watts were created from a 100watt 'source'. That is if again you can do away with the back emf. And minimize the input motor. Problem is that back emf/Lenz are there when induction happens they are both part of the same process, they are the "balance of nature, light and darkens, up and down" Lenz can not be removed. You can however (probably) make a systems where lenz is re-routed or something so that is does not react to what you are putting into the system. It would be the Holy grail in this field.

« Last Edit: November 28, 2008, 01:14:30 AM by Nali2001 »

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2008, 01:17:36 AM »
Hi folks, just wanted to mention Ive never read Garry stanley mention he didnt obtain results with the 6 magnet/stator layout and ive looked through all posts i could find and ive built the same motor which is by far the best running motor ive built to date and have built many. Where is Garry Stanley anyway, what happened to him.

Hi,

Maybe I misunderstood the post Garry wrote in his Pulse_Motor_Group yahoo group, message #1376 but he concluded going back to the drawing board when he run the motor with 6 coil pairs instead of the earlier 12 and introduced capacitors in series with the coil pairs.

Would like to ask if you ever managed to measure torque on your Garry motor and if yes how it compared to the electric input power? 

I also agree that Garry's pulse motor stands out from most of the pulse motors and I think the secret is using many magnets (12 pairs) with many coils (also 12 pairs) on the same disk and the coils are flat pancake-like shaped (taken from old floppy drives) and both sides of each coil are utilized as magnetic poles. And because of the flat coils the distance between the facing magnets was short, hence the attracting flux between them could remain strong and focused.   If you recall there have been few or no such pulse motor design that featured these properties.

Unfortunately Garry finished his own website as I noticed and do not post in the usual group he had used to (at least I cannot see any letters from him since about 2 years)  which is very unfortunate.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2008, 01:36:29 AM »
@nail

    If you have a coil of highselfinductance or a choke coil and you pulse it you can change the magnetic flux inside the core of the choke coil without a single bit of current flow. 

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2008, 02:38:57 AM »
@nail

    If you have a coil of highselfinductance or a choke coil and you pulse it you can change the magnetic flux inside the core of the choke coil without a single bit of current flow. 

@Sparks

In an inductor current follows voltage. Even saying that I do not mean current and voltage do not reach the end of the wire together. I'm sure they do. It is just that the rise of current follows the rise of voltage by a 90 deg. lag. So the magnetic field maximum arrives at the end of the wire later than the maximum voltage applied to the conductor reaches the end of the wire.

So, I'll disagree with you this time  ;) Current is what changes magnetic flux. If the charge is not moving it makes no change to the magnetic flux. If the charge is moving then there is current.

The above is only true for forces travelling through the conductor. Beyond that you must go beyond most publications.

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2008, 03:28:21 AM »
Well all depends on the amp turns as well naturally.
1000 turns at 1 amp is the same field strength as 1000amp with one turn.
Thing is that at 1000 turns you have much more resistance to overcome.
Hell, femm magnetic field simulation software only wants to know the input amp data in order to know the resulting field strength, volts data is not even asked for.
But true an unloaded transformer or choke (pulsed or ac) draws very little power. Boils down to that it takes very, very little power to 'saturate' a core (obviously you want to stay below saturation in normal use) Mayhem starts when loading begins lol.

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2008, 03:40:26 AM »
@BEP


       What I was thinking about was the use of torroidal chokes to filter out the transient voltages on a line already carrying  current.  I understood that the transient voltage got consumed by conversion to magnetic flux changes in the core of the choke.  I bought and installed alot of these upstream of vfd drives to protect the drives.  I was taught  it was a good idea to put some steel and copper between the controls and the trash running around the grid.  Your right in that this is more of a traveling wave happening  than a line driven flux change.

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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2008, 03:57:37 AM »
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There is an open invitation to forum members bye user AMOG03 at this site, he is hosting a tutorial
A very interesting and unique tutorial [a work in progress]
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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2008, 05:26:03 AM »
I have noticed that if you limit current to an inductor, it does produce a less strong magnetic field. So I am wrong in saying that "current is not necessary." You need a small amount of current. However, it should not be necessary to continue increasing current as the load is introduced to a motor. This current increase is used to fight Lenz's law. It is WASTED energy.

Thanks for the pointers.  ;)



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Re: Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods
« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2008, 05:31:16 AM »
Good point about the number of turns of wire! I forgot about that factor. The more turns you have, the magnetic field increases with an inverse relationship to the current draw. The current draw goes down, as the magnetic field strength is increased. There is not a direct relationship to the current draw and the magnetic field strength. A coil with very very high resistance has very low current draw, however the magnetic field is very very strong. It is only when you introduce Lenz's law and breakdown the magnetic field in a coil of wire that the magnetic field is weakened and current draw increases.

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« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2008, 06:02:06 AM »
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